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Chris Phillips
Detective Sergeant
Username: Cgp100
Post Number: 118
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, October 12, 2003 - 4:23 pm: | 
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Some comments interspersed, based on Burke's Peerage:
He married Letitia Dunken on December
6, 1787. Only Elliot is mentioned as their son.
BP gives the name as Dunkin, and gives Elliot as the 4th of 6 sons and 10 daughters.
Elliot married twice. His first wife was Isabella Law (daughter of John Law), born February 4, 1833 and died May 1, 1871.
BP has 1833 as the date of the marriage, not of her birth.
The date of of their marriage was not listed, but they had a son (only one son is mentioned) namd Henry Alexander Macnaghten. No mention of Melville!
BP has Melville as the 6th of 6 sons and 5 daughters (and three other daughters died unmarried).
Henry became
the Reverend Henry Alexander Macnaghten (born 1850 and died July 17, 1928). He married twice:
first Louisa [I mispelled the last name], on August 28, 1873, who died December 28, 1921; secondly Evelyn Vere Boyle on February 3, 1925,
she died on November 7, 1937.
Her date of death is given as 1939, not 1937.
There does not seem to have been any offspring from either marriage.
BP indicates 2 sons and a daughter.
Chris Phillips
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Jeffrey Bloomfied
Detective Sergeant
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 148
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, October 13, 2003 - 2:42 am: |
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Hi Chris,
Thanks for the corrections. But the main point remains that the closeness of Sir Melville's father's death and Monty's suicide suggests some
link between the Macnaghten and Druitt families due to funerals or estate matters concerning William Druitt as a solicitor.
Best wishes,
Jeff |
Jeffrey Bloomfied
Detective Sergeant
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 149
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, October 13, 2003 - 2:44 am: |
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Hi Chris,
Thanks for the corrections. But the main point remains that the closeness of Sir Melville's father's death and Monty's suicide suggests some
link between the Macnaghten and Druitt families due to funerals or estate matters concerning William Druitt as a solicitor.
Best wishes,
Jeff |
Andrew Spallek
Inspector
Username: Aspallek
Post Number: 183
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Monday, October 13, 2003 - 1:31 pm: |
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I must correct my earlier statement questioning the possibility of a good swimmer committing suicide by putting stones in his pockets and jumping into the water. I did not notice that he had put four large stones in each pocket. I had assumed four stones in all, one in each pocket. That many large stones should be enough to drown anyone.
Also, from reading the accounts, it does appear that two distinct suicide letters were written. One was written to Mr. Valentine with perhaps vague allusions to suicide as what might be "best for everyone." The other was addressed to MJD's brother and found among MJD's effects which spoke of fearing "since Friday" that he would be "like mother" and that "the best thing" would be for him to die. It is very unfortunate that the exact wording of either letter was not preserved.
Incidently, it appears that the court of inquest took the referece to becoming "like mother" as referring to her insanity as the reporter immediately mentions this, reflecting the discussion in the procedings.
Andy
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Robert Charles Linford
Chief Inspector
Username: Robert
Post Number: 981
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, October 13, 2003 - 6:03 pm: |
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Hi Andy
It's not so much the physics of the thing (would the stones have been enough to drown him - though he must have had large pockets!). It's more the psychology - IF he was a strong swimmer, would he have chosen this method, ie death by drowning? Still, Dave says it happened with Virginia Woolf so there you go.
By the way, I very much doubt if a solicitor like William would have committed perjury at the inquest - at least not by telling such an easily disproved whopper as "I am the only relative."
I feel sure that this was in response to some question from the Coroner - maybe he meant "I am the only relative at the inquest".
Robert |
John Ruffels
Detective Sergeant
Username: Johnr
Post Number: 132
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 7:02 am: |
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Hello All,
Shirley Richards has previously surmised a link between the Macnaghten and Druitt families.
Mainly from the fact a Macnaghten gave one of the Druitts or, Mayos (intermarried family), a position in the East India Company. And secondly, the fact one of the Bournemouth/Christchurch Druitts was named "Melvill". (I understand the spelling was different, but the implication was the coincidence of the name "Melville". Nothing to confirm the latter has been forthcoming).
And as regards Montague Druitt's suicide: I am absolutely ignorant of the methods or motives or impulses which influence suicides, but:-
Is it not possible some suicides seek to go out on a "high" - like a courtroom victory?
("He had everything to live for; he had just married and he had won the lottery last week")...
And in seeming contradiction: Is it possible to plumb the minds of suicidal people using logic?
(Why did he fill his pockets with stones and jump in the river?).
Surely, suicidal people feel so overwhelmed with
bad happening after bad happening, that, if they cannot successfully seek help, or there is no
solution to their difficulties, they feel desperate enough to embrace the final sanction -death?
Perhaps "others" feel the suicidal one has everything to live for, whilst that person feels desperate and friendless.
To Jeff Bloomfield: I cannot see a link between William Druitt and the fact Sir Melville Macnaghten's father died around the same time as William's brother. (Unless you see a link in the fact Elliott M. and William's mother were both in Brighton?).
I feel some productive research could be done into the fact William H. Druitt had a London -based(?) house - guest on the 17th - not the 11th- of December 1888. One Richard Ball.
This fact, as I have mentioned before, was published in I think, the SOUTHERN GUARDIAN, as excitement built for the impending visit to Canford House by Prince Eddy, (Duke of Clarence)for a Grand Ball.
To which were also invited: "Druitt, Mrs and Miss, and Mr Montagu".
Was Mr Ball William's informant about the absence from chambers of Montague? |
Severn
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 6:54 am: |
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Quite a lot to take on -attending cricket mtgs in mid November teaching,pleading-and winning the case etc must have been very adept at holding down a variety of activities under mental duress.Also I agree there does seem some inconsistency of liberal thinking and attitude to the victims. |
severn
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 - 10:35 am: |
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Another area to ponder might be Macnaghtens orangeman status -at one point he is said to haveappeared to identify the Ripper with a plot to assassinate Balfour at the Irish office and he was descended from one of the original Prentice boys of Derry perhaps he was a bit paranoid and when Druitts sister married a catholic he saw plots in every direction...... |
jeffrey Leahy
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 5:43 am: |
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Hello, I am doing some research into the Ripper victims. I am trying to find out if their are any living relatives or surviving family members. Any help or clues, books, records etc, would be much appriciated. Hoping someone might have some knowledge or point me in the right direction. Thanks for your time.
Jeff |
brian003
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 3:33 pm: |
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hi,
I am a student doing a report on Thomas Neill Cream. I am having trouble finding information on his modus operandi and his contributing causes to why he killed. If anyone has some info. or could give me some usefull sites I would apreciate it.
thanks,
Brian
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Robert Clack
Inspector
Username: Rclack
Post Number: 269
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2004 - 7:03 pm: |
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Hi All
This is probably coincidental, but I thought I would post it anyway.
In the 1901 census is a family of Druitts living at 47 Barnes Street, Limehouse. The family were
Margaret a widow aged 67 and her 4 daughters and 1 son.
Emily 41
Caroline 37
Rose 32
Clara 31
George 29
All born in Stepney.
Next door at number 49 lived George Sparks, a Milkman who happens to be Sergeant Stephen White's step brother. I couldn't find this Druitt family in the 1891 census, but in the 1871 and 1881 census they were living at 288 Oxford Street, Mile End. Which ran right behind the London Hospital. In 1882 Stephen White was living at 77 Rutland Street, Mile End, two streets South of Oxford Street.
George Sparks in 1881 was living in Faversham Kent. In 1891 he was living at 12 Barnes Street, this may have been the same building as the 1901 address as in the ten years between the census, the street was extended and the numbering would therefore change.
Rob |
Lindsey Millar
Inspector
Username: Lindsey
Post Number: 189
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2005 - 2:59 pm: |
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Hi all,
Forgive me if I'm posting a link that you've already seen, but in case you haven't..
I came across it whilst looking for info about my g-g-g grandfather, Willett Lawrence Adye, of Merley House. Anyway, I noticed some Druitts listed in the directory. Doesn't tell us anything new, I'm afraid, but I thought the info on Wimborne interesting.
http://www.dorset-opc.com/WimborneDirectory1865.htm
All the best,
Lyn
"When a man grows tired of London, he grows tired of life" (or summat like that)
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Jeffrey Bloomfied
Chief Inspector
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 556
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2005 - 9:43 pm: |
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Hi all,
I was looking over the list. The Rev. John Keynes may be connected to the famous economist, and Matthew Webb could be a relative of the once famous Captain Matthew Webb (the first man to swim the English Channel. But these are simply guesses based on similarity of names.
Jeff |
George Hutchinson
Chief Inspector
Username: Philip
Post Number: 761
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 2:43 pm: |
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The first of a series of new jpeg postings for the evening folkies.
Here's a couple of postcards dating from about 1910 of Druitt's old school.
PHILIP
Tour guides do it loudly in front of a crowd!
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Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 5077
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 3:10 pm: |
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Thanks Hutch. Just think : forty years or so before those pics were taken, Druitt started there as a grubby little tick.
Robert |
Chris Phillips
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Cgp100
Post Number: 1459
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 29, 2005 - 3:50 pm: |
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Philip
Thanks for those.
I must admit that as they started downloading I was flabbergasted, and thought "I had no idea the school at Eliot Place was so grand!".
Chris Phillips
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