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Casebook Message Boards: Ripper Media: Specific Titles: Non-Fiction: Ultimate Jack the Ripper Sourcebook, The (Evans and Skinner, 2000): Archive through December 07, 2000
Author: Stewart P Evans
Wednesday, 31 May 2000 - 05:24 pm
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Author: Ashling
Wednesday, 31 May 2000 - 08:20 pm
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STEWART & KEITH: I like. Eye-catching without being gory, most excellent color scheme, and "ultimate" has a nice ring to it. Who's your publisher?

Janice

Author: Christopher T. George
Wednesday, 31 May 2000 - 11:10 am
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Stewart:

The cover of your forthcoming new book written with Keith Skinner looks tremendous.... Pure gold! I am certain many people will be induced to purchase the volume because of its appealing cover quite apart from its undoubtededly priceless contents.

Best regards

Chris George

Author: Stewart P Evans
Wednesday, 31 May 2000 - 12:30 pm
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Janice and Chris -

Many thanks, it is being published simultaneously in the UK by Constable & Robinson, and in the USA by Carroll & Graf. It should have around 800 pages, and this is one of two dustwrapper designs.

Author: Christopher-Michael DiGrazia
Thursday, 01 June 2000 - 01:07 am
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How wonderful, Stewart! And quite the cover, I might add. I expect a signed copy in the post forthwith :-)

As well, Carroll & Graf were the publishers for "Complete History," so with that and yours perhaps I ought to be taking my own Ripper manuscript to them!

Best wishes,
CMD

Author: Stewart P Evans
Saturday, 10 June 2000 - 04:02 pm
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Alternative dustwrapper -

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Author: Caroline Anne Morris
Saturday, 10 June 2000 - 09:10 pm
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I vote for the first one!

Although I'm sure no one would be foolish enough to judge a book by it's cover alone. :-)

Love and best wishes,

Caz

Author: Christopher T George
Sunday, 11 June 2000 - 08:53 am
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Hi Stewart:

I have to agree with Caz. The first cover you showed us appears to be pure gold. :-)

Best regards

Chris George

Author: Ashling
Sunday, 11 June 2000 - 04:36 pm
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STEWART: I like the fog effect on #2. Any chance of combining the best parts of both choices ... Using the bottom half of #2 with the golden color from the top half of #1?

Janice

Author: Guy Hatton
Sunday, 11 June 2000 - 04:54 pm
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Hi Stewart!

Number 2 for me - much tidier design (FWIW).

All the Best

Guy

Author: Simon Owen
Sunday, 11 June 2000 - 09:08 pm
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Hi Stewart !
Personally , I prefer the first cover , the border looks nice and I feel it is more eye-catching over all.
Simon

Author: Stewart P Evans
Sunday, 11 June 2000 - 10:53 pm
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Thank you all for the comments. The publishers are to be congratulated on what we think are two excellent dustwrapper designs. General opinion appears to favour the first one above, although the second design appears in the publisher's current catalogue. However, we do have a printed proof cover with the first design. It will be up to the publishers as to the final decision, but I thought that you would all like to see the two options.

Author: Jill De Schrijver
Monday, 12 June 2000 - 07:00 pm
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Hi Stewart,

I prefer #1 too:
- the golden square adds a retro-feeling
- idem dito the red border
- #2 is devided, while #1 looks whole
- the mist effect of #2 is beautiful, but rather cliché.

Although even then #2 still surpasses most covers on the subject

Congratulations!

Author: Scott Nelson
Friday, 01 September 2000 - 07:42 pm
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Hi Stewart,
Do you have any updated information on when your JTR Sourcebook will be published?

Author: Grey Hunter
Saturday, 02 September 2000 - 01:39 am
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Hi Scott,

Nice to hear from you again. I'm afraid that I am not really kept updated on what is happening with the book, but I do have some information.

It went to the printers yesterday and, I understand, is on course for launch on 19 October. I am also informed that the price will be only £25 now, so that could be good news for prospective purchasers.

I had assumed that the release of the American edition (Carroll & Graf) would be the same although Amazon shows it with a December release date! However, it is advertised at the cheaper price so it should be a bargain. It will also have a picture section containing 80-100 illustrations.

Best Wishes,

Stewart

Author: Christopher T George
Saturday, 02 September 2000 - 06:29 am
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Hi Stewart:

Thanks for the update on your book. I can't wait to see it. I am also pleased to hear about the number of illustrations in your book. Illustrative matter is important. In about six weeks, my War of 1812 book "Terror on the Chesapeake" will be published, and it is also full of illustrations and maps. Not quite 80-100 but close. I will be sure to send you an autographed copy :-) The possible gold cover (option 1) for "The Ultimate Jack the Ripper Sourcebook" still gives me a warm glow but either option is most attractive. I wish you the greatest success with the book. I am certain that it will be a huge hit!

Best regards

Chris George

Author: Leanne Perry
Saturday, 02 September 2000 - 07:14 am
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G'day Stewart,

I'd choose the 2nd cover for a fiction story because of the 'FOG' effect, but the 1st one is clearer and the border makes it look tidy, clear and more suitable for a work of non-fiction! GREATER CONTRAST...THE MYSTERY WILL SEEM CLEARER....LESS VAGUE BITS!

LEANNE!

Author: Christopher T George
Saturday, 02 September 2000 - 07:26 am
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Hi, Leanne and Stewart:

In this case especially, we should be sure to banish the vague bits!

All the best

Chris George

Author: alex chisholm
Thursday, 12 October 2000 - 09:53 am
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The Ultimate Jack the Ripper Sourcebook has arrived, but my pitiful catalogue of superlatives is woefully inadequate to do it justice, luckily the title says it all.

Even for those already possessed of copies of official files, the Ultimate Sourcebook has much to offer. Stewart and Keith deserve every congratulation for what they have achieved here.

As the Introduction rightly claims this book will be “indispensable for any writer or researcher tackling this enigmatic series of killings.”

Without doubt The Ultimate Jack the Ripper Sourcebook.

Enjoy
alex

Author: Jon
Thursday, 12 October 2000 - 08:31 pm
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Aye, but does it answer the Ultimate Jack the Ripper question?
:-)

Regardless,.... its on my 'Wanted' list.
So Alex, how did you get hold of a copy?....Amazon USA will only have it from Dec 30. And Amazon UK gives no date, but they dont have it yet :-(

Jon
(And Barnes & Noble havent even heard of it yet)

Author: Caroline Anne Morris
Friday, 13 October 2000 - 06:41 am
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Hi Jon,

I gather this must-have ripper companion is due out in the UK on 19th October.

Can't wait to get my grubby little paws on it.

Have a great weekend all.

Love,

Caz

Author: Ashling
Tuesday, 17 October 2000 - 02:50 am
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Congrats to Stewart and Keith on their masterpiece. And Merry Christmas to me (I hope ... you listening, Santa?) This book is a real windfall for North Americans like myself.

Jon: That's Ultimate Sourcebook--not Ultimate Suspect Book. ;-)

Ashling

Author: Thomas Ind
Tuesday, 17 October 2000 - 05:18 pm
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I'm glad you all have your copy. I placed an order through amazon well before this month and still don't have mine

Author: Jon
Tuesday, 17 October 2000 - 07:38 pm
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Nice to see you back Ash......you finished with Fishmans yet?
:-)

Author: Caroline Anne Morris
Wednesday, 18 October 2000 - 07:45 am
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Hi Tom,

19th October is not 'til tomorrow (despite this post appearing to have Thursday 19th at the top). Alex seems to be the only person here with a copy, which he may have got direct from Stewart or Keith.

Patience everyone. :-)

Love,

Caz

Author: Guy Hatton
Wednesday, 18 October 2000 - 07:53 am
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Patience my ass...

...as the T-shirt used to say.

Author: Jon
Wednesday, 18 October 2000 - 12:33 pm
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Ok,...I have made 'special arrangements'....
(Shhh....)

Jon
(Its not what you know, its who you know)

Author: Caroline Anne Morris
Wednesday, 18 October 2000 - 01:23 pm
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Hi Jon,

I couldn't agree more.

Love,

Caz

Author: Paul Begg
Wednesday, 18 October 2000 - 03:53 pm
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Having received a copy today, I can only urge you all to have patience. The book is worth the wait. And use the time to get all that work done, because when the book does arrive, you won't want to put it down.

IMHO this is a masterful book. Stewart and Keith deserve every ounce of praise one can give. Nobody professing interest in the case should be without this book. In the words of Tina Turner, it's simply the best.

Author: Grey Hunter
Wednesday, 18 October 2000 - 05:23 pm
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Paul and Alex,

What can I say? This is praise indeed, and we hope that everyone will find the book useful and user-friendly.

The publishers are to be congratulated on a fine production job. They produced a very attractive dustwrapper as well as quality gloss paper for the photographs. Keith and I are very pleased with the end result. It was also great to see the price kept down to a very reasonable level, thus making the book available to many more readers.

Again, thank you for the kind words.

Best Wishes,

Stewart

Author: Jon
Wednesday, 18 October 2000 - 06:21 pm
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A helluva thing to have to follow though.

When you've provided the best,......nothing short of solving the case will do, the next time.
:-)

Best regards to Keith & Stewart
Very much looking forward to the 'Ultimate' experience.

Jon

Author: Christopher-Michael DiGrazia
Wednesday, 18 October 2000 - 08:34 pm
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You dog, Begg - got a copy already, have you? And here I sit salivating with anticipation. . .

A short caveat - I've just checked the Amazon.com site, and the book is still listed as not being available until December 30. Amazon.co.uk said the same when I checked yesterday. However, I have been told that copies for we benighted Stateside folks have been shipped.

The lesson? Pester your bookseller. Or, be like Jon and get yourself some good connections. Or gird your loins and suck up to some high-ranking Ripperologist. So, Paul, how have you been? :-)

CMD

Author: Ashling
Friday, 20 October 2000 - 07:41 am
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Books-A-Million has the Sourcebook for nearly ten bucks cheaper than Amazon.com.

JON: Thanks for the kind words, but Fishman is mine, all mine! ;-)

Ashling

Author: stephen stanley
Monday, 06 November 2000 - 04:30 pm
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Warning!!!...Picked up my copy Today..upon repairing to local MacDonalds ..No I couldn't wait 'til I got home..Discovered first batch of illustrations were printed on one side only!!! i.e. half were missing. As I'd got this from Waterstone's on order I don't know if any other copies are affected..so check before leaving shop...worst thing is they've had to re-order..another two weeks wait...such is life
Steve S.

Author: Sarah R. Jacobs
Thursday, 16 November 2000 - 05:10 pm
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Dear Stewart & Keith:

This book is thoroughly invaluable. There is no way anyone studying JtR should be without at least access to it. I was actually the first one in my neighborhood to own one. I am quite glad I didn't wait, as I hear the rest in my Barnes & Noble store's shipment are already spoken for.

The MJK crime scene photo is much clearer and more specific than in any other book on JtR I have seen. The chance to see the policework and the journalism in the process of getting themselves together was most enlightening, as was the opportunity to put such things as the Swanson Marginalia into proper perspective.

At long last we all get a chance to say, "Well, as it says in page 2 of the Chapman Inquest Transcript..." and be able to say this without fear that we are using someone else's selective (and misleading) quotation style. Also, thank you for not judging what you saw. Also also, thank you for the pix of the bloodhounds. It's nice to have a picture of cute little bloodhounds to look at to rest one's eyes :-D And they are terribly cute! What a shame that there was neither a blunder on the dogs' part nor a conspiracy to keep the dogs off Jack's trail, but a mere (and dishearteningly modern) *lack of funds*. Also, what a horrid thing to learn that any policeman could be so classist and misogynistic and *callous* as Anderson was. I suppose if a bunch of little pauper-boys had been flung off London Bridge in the dead of night by an unknown single assailant, because their mothers were too busy earning the little tykes' bread at workhouses to watch them, Anderson would have trumpeted, Scrooge/Marley/Malthuslike, about the "decrease in the surplus population"?!

Hooray for Abberline, who emerges as a heroic man beaten by bureaucracy and various other factors (like Anderson. Hmph! Lack of interest in human life unless it is attached to the West End by one thread and to the Bank of England by the other is truly reprehensible. In a policeman, it looks like carelessness...).


I really can't say enough about the splendid new advances we -- or, rather, others, on these boards -- are making towards finding the Ripper. I once thought that a case this cold could never be solved without a clear red flag like the Maybrick "Diary." Now I know that good policework doesn't die. It just gets scuttled off into a drawer one day, and emerges like a phoenix from the ash-heap. There really ought to be university courses in Ripperology.

Those on the board who haven't been to university are getting better than the "Real Thing" here, because there are no bored, inattentive, unmotivated rich kids lounging about in torn jeans and tiny whiny causes like marijuana legalization here. There is only a broad spectrum of dedicated persons, self-selected because we want, would love, *need* to know who did these terrible things to fellow human beings. We are self-made historians of the Victorian Era in the East End. We learn about London for various reasons:

Some of us live in London, even in the East End, and we can't picture lovely Spitalfields running with blood, rumor, and chalk graffiti as it did then.

Some of us are English Literature majors who can't reconcile the haunts of Wilde, Sickert, Thompson, and company, with those haunted dark alleys smeared with the ghosts of atrocity, with the handprints of a man we may never know by name.

Some of us are men, who have heard our fellow men speak of women in much the same way as Jack did, and we wonder about ourselves or about those men, and we wish we could figure out what degree of hatred towards women was the degree that meant we could turn our "chums," we hesitate to call them, in, to the police, so they won't hurt the women we love, or might someday love. We are brothers, here to guard our sisters. We are husbands, here to guard our wives. We are fathers, here to guard our daughters. We are Good Men, here to guard women from what the Evil Men tell Good Men, but never tell Good Women, nor even Evil Women.

Some of us are women, and we want to know how anyone could do something like that to one of our bodies, to five or more of our bodies. We have crossed that mental boundary that we use to separate ourselves from "The Whore," and realized that, in another time, that could be our legs under that mutilated belly in that alley. We are Good Women, here to guard Good Women and "Evil" Women alike, from what Evil Men don't tell any women. We are sisters guarding sisters. We are mothers guarding daughters. We are daughters guarding mothers.

Jack has taken on a meaning all his own to us. But he also means something different to each individual who encounters him. And until we know who he is, he will remain a symbol of whatever evil we might ever sense in the campaigns of each skirmish of the sexes. He is What Is Wrong With The Relationship, magnified a billion times.

And now we have him, upon the dissecting table, as it were. Let's hope the pins are in tight, so we can get to the heart of him before he does the same to us.

Sarah

Author: Judith Stock
Friday, 17 November 2000 - 01:50 pm
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In case, anyone is interested, the Amazon.co.uk site shipped the ULTIMATE right on time,the copy was perfect; the US Amazon shipped last week... so much for the 30 December street date!

Ah, don't you love timetables? However, this
means you can spend the next several months reading THE Ripper book one must have....and
ignoring all that other rubbish one must do.

Congratulations, again, Stewart......NOW how are you going to top this?

Judy

Author: Caroline Anne Morris
Wednesday, 06 December 2000 - 06:43 am
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From Keith Skinner To Chris George

Dear Chris

Thank you for your review of ‘The Ultimate…’ in Ripperologist . I can only repeat to you that which I recently wrote to Don Rumbelow…

“I am telling everybody – because I genuinely and sincerely mean it – that all plaudits should really go to Stewart, as he was responsible for 90% of the work in transcribing the files. It is quite a magnificent achievement and a tribute to his 5 year perseverance. I only came in at the last moment to offer a few suggestions and provide some additional material. I really now have become the rent boy of Ripperology!”

All Good Wishes

Keith

Author: Stewart P Evans
Wednesday, 06 December 2000 - 08:47 am
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I must reply to this and say that without Keith this book would probably have never seen the light of day. He has contributed greatly and deserves his share in any plaudits that may come our way. (I also reserve the right to hide behind him when the brickbats fly).

I know that Keith has openly and readily made the statement repeated above, but I feel that it is not necessary and his efforts, which were many and are continuing, should be recognised.

Also, where does the '(Evans and Connell, 2000)' come from in the title of this board? I wonder if Stephen Ryder would kindly amend it to 'Evans and Skinner, 2000'

We both thank everyone kind enough to support us and who are good enough to comment on our efforts. It is appreciated.

Author: Christopher T George
Thursday, 07 December 2000 - 02:12 am
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Hi Keith and Stewart:

I am sure you are both vital to the project that brought us "The Ultimate" :)

A review of "The Ultimate" will also be upcoming in the next issue of "Ripper Notes" written by one of my well-informed colleagues, possibly Mr. DiGrazia. The present issue is about to mail, and says the following in my editor's note about your book:

'The cover of this issue of "Ripper Notes" is meant to give some idea of the climate of fear in Whitechapel in 1888–1891. Murder after murder had occurred, and the frightened citizens of the East End did not know where the murderer would strike next. Although modern thinking is that not all of the eleven murders counted as "Whitechapel murders" in the Scotland Yard files that took place in this period were in fact by the same hand, the popular view at the time was that there was a single bloodthirsty and fiendishly clever killer. The 13 February 1891 murder of Frances Coles was the last official "Whitechapel murder" in the Scotland Yard files and appropriately the new book by Stewart P. Evans and Keith Skinner, "The Ultimate Jack the Ripper Companion," covers all the official files through the murder of Coles. A review of this important new book will appear in the next issue.'

Chris George

Author: Stephen P. Ryder
Thursday, 07 December 2000 - 09:49 am
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Quote:

Also, where does the '(Evans and Connell, 2000)' come from in the title of this board? I wonder if Stephen Ryder would kindly amend it to 'Evans and Skinner, 2000'




This has been fixed - apologies to Keith! :-)

 
 
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