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Reference to Poste House
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Reference to Poste House
Author: Mark Andrew Pardoe
Thursday, 06 June 2002 - 05:09 pm |        | Whatho All,
Whilst we are thinking up weak excuses for anachronisms in the Diary I can bring a bit of information about pub names to your attention. It is not unusual for pubs to have nicknames as well as their official titles. The "Fox and Grapes" in Nottingham was known to all as the "Pretty Windows" to all, a name it never carried. Therefore, perhaps, when writing his diary, our old friend Mr Maybrick used the nickname instead of the official name. After all, he was supposed to be writing his diary for his own consumption wasn’t he?
Furthermore, some pubs have been renamed so their nicknames have become their official monikers. Take, for instance, the "Lamp" and the "Market Side" both in Nottingham and previously named after some wartime heroes and (just to prove I know something about pubs in other places) the "Little House", Brent Street, Hendon, north-west London which was really the "Prince Edward".
So there we are. James was only using the "Poste House" because that was the name he used all the time to his mates and the other locals cramming the public bar to knock back as much Higsons and Caines as they could get their lips on. And later the publican/brewer/owner realised the pub was better known as the "Poste House" and renamed as such.
Actually, apart from the real instances I give in Nottingham and London, I don’t believe this theory. No matter how many daft explanations we can invent, the diary is really just a load of twaddle!
Incidentally, to answer a question not really put and certainly not looking for an answer in an earlier posting: Jesse Boot took over his mother’s herbalist shop in Goose Gate, Nottingham in 1877.
Cheers, Mark Andrew Pardoe. |
Author: Caroline Morris
Friday, 07 June 2002 - 04:28 am | | Hi Mark,
Welcome to the nutcasebook.
But is it a load of old twaddle or a load of post-1988 twaddle? 
No one is inventing daft explanations, or thinking up weak excuses for anachronisms - not proven anachronisms anyway (Anne and Billy would have been daft to claim the diary had been in the family for so many years if that were the case). Unless you mean Mike Barrett's daft explanations, given to a trusting Melvin Harris, like the one where Mrs Hamersmith makes her debut in the diary as a rather damp Druitt-in-drag, a grotesque and watery pantomime dame if you will. Or the one where Crashaw finds his place in our 20th century minds because Mike opened up his Sphere Guide one day in 1989 (as you do), and saw what he thought would be a great line about sex and murder.
Love,
Caz
PS How about the pubs fondly known as the Glue Pot, because one tends to get stuck in them? If someone wrote in their diary about popping into the Glue Pot for a pint, and one day a pub adopted the name officially (whether or not the regulars ever called it that), would anyone seriously put good money on when that diary was written? |
Author: Christopher T George
Saturday, 08 June 2002 - 01:28 am | | Hi, Caz:
Haven't you heard about the Poste House's Poetry Club and the club's legendary Crashaw Evenings?
All the best
Chris |
Author: Caroline Morris
Saturday, 08 June 2002 - 09:50 am | | Hell's bells and buckets of blood, Chris! No, I haven't heard of that club - I must be losing my touch. How do I join, or is it men and dirty rotten forgers only?
Oh to be in the Club, now June and Caz are busting out all over.
Love,
Caz |
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