Author: jennifer pegg
Saturday, 19 October 2002 - 09:30 am |        |
hi
did any one else see this programme. it was on Channel 5 (uk) yesterday fri.it was about geographical locations of murders etc.
JTR was mentioned briefly as a unsolved murder. the bloke (whoose name i forget ofhand sorry)concluded that JRT lived between the muder sites at the centre if you are with me. this is middlesex street area.
who lived here?????
jennifer
ps not wm gull!!! |
Author: stephen stanley
Saturday, 19 October 2002 - 11:45 am | |
Yes, I caught it as well....seemed quite interesting until Maybrick was mentioned....
Steve |
Author: jennifer pegg
Saturday, 19 October 2002 - 03:53 pm | |
exactly!
but the bloke was from liverpool |
Author: Garry Wroe
Saturday, 19 October 2002 - 07:55 pm | |
Hello All.
The bloke's name is Professor David Canter and he is largely responsible for a new paradigm termed 'investigative psychology'. He also wrote Criminal Shadows, a book that provides a fascinating insight into the more scientifically based of offender profiling techniques. Unfortunately, Professor Canter's interpretation regarding the centre of gravity of the Whitechapel Murders is, in my view, flawed by his inclusion of Liz Stride as a Ripper victim. Still, I've no doubt that Mr Radka will disagree with this conclusion.
Regards,
Garry Wroe. |
Author: Caroline Morris
Sunday, 20 October 2002 - 07:54 am | |
Hi All,
To be fair, I don't think Canter expressed a belief that Maybrick was the ripper. He made the point that whoever wrote the Diary picked exactly the same location that he, Canter, pinpoints as the most likely bolt-hole for the killer, from his geographical profiling exercise - ie lodgings in Middlesex Street.
Of course, Canter and the Diary could both have it totally wrong about this street being a reasonable choice. But whatever we feel about Canter's expertise, it's a fair question to ask - relating it to our small group of modern forgery conspiracy suspects - where, how and why they found Middlesex Street, and chose to pop it in as their ideal location, referring to the ripper's choice as a joke.
Is this street mentioned in one of the few ripper books the forgers were meant to have used, for instance?
Love,
Caz |
Author: Bob Hinton
Tuesday, 22 October 2002 - 05:52 pm | |
Dear Everyone,
Professor Canter quickly lost my attention when he referred to Mitre Square as being in Whitchapel!
Bob Hinton |
Author: Andy & Sue Parlour
Wednesday, 23 October 2002 - 01:35 pm | |
Well done Bob,
I often wonder who is pulling the strings when it comes to pushing Maybrick.
It wouldn't be a case of 'cross my palms with silver' cough-cough, yer knows what I mean Guvnor.
Or scratch yer watch, opps sorry, I mean yer back for a fiver. Alledgedly.
A. |
Author: Caroline Morris
Sunday, 27 October 2002 - 08:18 am | |
Hi Andy,
Just for the record, and what have you, Canter wasn't 'pushing' Maybrick - he described the Liverpool cotton merchant as an unlikely ripper.
Whoever was pulling strings didn't manage to pull Canter's.
I've now got this image in my brain of Feldy and Peter Wood (the dear departed and sadly missed Maybrick One) pulling Canter's strings and Canter walking off stringless in another direction entirely. 
Where does this perception spring from, I wonder - that there must be a Maybrick pusher doing dirty deeds behind the scenes whenever the arsenic eater's name is mentioned?
And who do you think scratched the watch for a fiver then, if I may be so bold, dear Andy?
(Hello Albert, if you are reading - are your ears burning? )
Love,
Caz |
Author: Andy & Sue Parlour
Sunday, 27 October 2002 - 02:20 pm | |
Hello Caz, oops I mean Carrie,
Just a few slips of the tongue I'me afraid,
(this Ugandan whisky get stronger every day).
I remember now. It was Liza's fault, it was she who ask me to scratch her back for a fiver, I started to scratch, and then the security guard who was watching us, took her away.
A. |
Author: Caroline Morris
Monday, 28 October 2002 - 06:14 am | |
Mornin' Andy,
No probs - many a slip 'twixt cup and lip - just don't tell hubby about the Ugandan whisky, I've hidden his supply.
Carrie was my first husband's name for me, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately) his surname wasn't the same as a well-known brand of coffee and an infamous pension-snatcher who went overboard...
We both should know by now it's always Liza's fault (don't mention raffle tickets, especially green ones - although that was truly nothing to do with Liza).
If you ask me, you should have waved the fiver under that security guard's nose and said "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours".
The watch thing just bugs me because Albert was there in Bournemouth for all those attending to meet and question. People had the chance to test their beliefs that the diary is a modern forgery by trying to ascertain whether anyone had the motive, means or opportunity to put the Maybrick scratches in the watch after Albert purchased it in 1992.
Anyone who has read the diary books and absorbed the diary and watch stories will know that if the watch already contained the scratches by the time Albert bought his timepiece, then the diary, logically, would beyond reasonable doubt be an old document as opposed to a post-1987 fake knocked up by a nest of Liverpudlian forgers.
I do hope Albert and his wife will attend the 2003 Liverpool conference, and strongly recommend that anyone believing in the modern hoax theory talk to them before airing beliefs on these boards (or even dodgy watch gags) that they haven't done everything possible to substantiate.
Love,
Caz
PS If anyone has any comments to add, perhaps we should head off to a suitable thread in diaryland... |
Author: jennifer pegg
Friday, 01 November 2002 - 07:23 am | |
anyway my original point was wondering if anyone else lived here i thought this geogparhical stuff was convincing, some others may be able to add it to their cases
jennifer |
Author: Caroline Morris
Friday, 01 November 2002 - 08:34 am | |
Hi Jennifer, All,
The so-called 'trophy rapist', who has apparently attacked at least ten victims in the London and south east, will no doubt become the subject of more geographical profiling discussion. It is thought the rapist has a north east accent, and they are now looking at a possible link with a similar attack in Middlesbrough. As this one happened late on a Friday night, while the others were in broad daylight but not at weekends, it has been speculated that he travels around the south east, working (and generally attacking) during the week, returning to his home in the north east at weekends.
If this is indeed the case, did the diary author really make such an elementary blunder after all, by choosing a man who lived and worked in Liverpool to rip so many miles away in London? As a post-1987 forger is believed to have used Ryan as one of his sources, he would have read on page 29 that James travelled often to London for a day or two 'on business'. That might have been enough for the forger to decide he was safe to send Sir Jim off on an away-day killing trip.
Love,
Caz |
Author: jennifer pegg
Friday, 01 November 2002 - 11:06 am | |
ryan?
excuse my apparant lack of knowledge |
Author: Caroline Morris
Friday, 01 November 2002 - 05:18 pm | |
No probs Jennifer - my fault, I should have explained that when I refer to 'Ryan', I mean 'The Poisoned Life of Mrs Maybrick' by Bernard Ryan. It is assumed by some to have been read and used by whoever composed the Maybrick Diary.
Have a good weekend.
Love,
Caz |
Author: Monty
Monday, 04 November 2002 - 11:11 am | |
Caz,
Fair point.
Im I right in saying that most of the 'Trophy Rapists' attacks been near the M25 ? Quick escape ??
How quick would Maybricks be in comparson ??
Foot? Hansom? Train? or Omnibus?? (assuming the last 2 ran well into the early hours or started early in the morning)
Not being provocative, just curious as to your opinions. You can choose where he flees, Sarahs or Michaels.
I know its an impossible question, but pander to me.....I like that !
Monty
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Author: Jim Jenkinson
Monday, 04 November 2002 - 11:34 am | |
Monty,
It's not often you see the words M25 and quick next to each other.
Jim |
Author: Monty
Monday, 04 November 2002 - 11:39 am | |
Jim,
Yeah, I know, What was I thinking of ??
Monty
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Author: Caroline Morris
Monday, 04 November 2002 - 01:27 pm | |
Hi Monty,
I'm only thinking in terms of what the diary author chose for Maybrick - and he has him taking temporary lodgings in Middlesex Street and, apparently, staying with Michael the night before the last night of Mary Kelly's life.
Whether this was a wise choice or folly is up to others to decide.
It still leaves me without a clue who composed the diary or why.
Love,
Caz |
Author: Guy Hatton
Tuesday, 05 November 2002 - 06:17 am | |
| It's a bugger, that M25. You just get parked up nicely, then 20 minutes later, you have to move to another spot 10 yards further down! |
Author: Monty
Wednesday, 06 November 2002 - 11:15 am | |
Caz,
Forgive me....I forgot all about the Middlesex st lodgings.
Thats what happens when you mix trying to work with trying to have fun.
You end up ballsing up both !!!
I wasnt trying to antagonise...honest.
By the way, I received a E-mail at work from Mr Wood yesterday. He is in the process of moving house and is due to get his kit up and running sometime next week.
He asks me to warn of his impending return.
So.....you all have been warned.
Monty
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Author: Caroline Morris
Thursday, 07 November 2002 - 04:03 am | |
What's 'trying to antagonise'? I don't understand the concept.
Love,
Caz |
Author: Monty
Thursday, 07 November 2002 - 11:36 am | |
Caz,
Ally has trained you well 
Monty
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