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Jack the Ripper (1988)
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Jack the Ripper (1988)
Author: Cyranna Eco
Thursday, 19 November 1998 - 08:49 pm |        | Jack the Ripper
Thames Lorimar TV
Aired (CBS): October 21, 1988
UK/US
Aired upon the hundreth anniversary of the murders, this four-hour miniseries goes quite in-depth into the murders and some of the suspects. Interestingly enough, most of the suspects are individuals well-known to Ripperologists, but they are not well known as suspects. People such as Richard Mansfield, George Lusk, Dr. Llewellyn, and Robert James Lees have considerable suspicion thrown on them whereas few, if any previous authors or works have done so.
Still, I suppose that is where the strength of the film lies -- it makes everyone look suspicious in an attempt to make a Victorian whodunnit.
Michael Caine stars as recovering alcoholic Abberline, and Armand Assante as Sergeant Godley -- the two are somewhat believable, but their performances are marred by the painfully obvious budget and rushing inherent in television movies. There is even a romantic twist thrown in with Abberline with a buxom young 'Emma Prentiss,' (Jane Seymour) who American viewers might know as Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman.
To make a long story short, the film eventually discovers that Dr. Gull was the Ripper, with John Netley driving his carriage to the murder scenes. The Duke of Clarence is not implicated, and the murders are said to be a result of Gull's madness -- he was trying to prove that a man could have two sides (good and evil) and the murders were his attempt to prove such a thesis.
A good film for a lazy Sunday afternoon, but don't expect it to be impeccably done. There are many facts which are incorrect (Chapman's farthings, Polly's injuries, etc.) and now, eight years later, the theory does seem somewhat foolish. Still, recommended not as one of the best, but one of the best of a long line of worsts. |
Author: Johnno
Saturday, 19 December 1998 - 08:26 am | | I would just like to correct a small error in Cyranna Eco's introduction to "Jack the Ripper" (1988) starring Michael Caine et al.
Armand Assante in fact played the part of Richard Mansfield rather than Sgt. George Godley. Godley was played by either Lewis Collins or Ken Bones; I am unsure of which. Of these two actors, the other played Robert James Lees. |
Author: Johnno
Saturday, 19 December 1998 - 08:31 am | | While a thouroughly enjoyable film, "Jack the Ripper" contains many factual and cosmetic errors. Here is a list of the errors which I have so far discovered:
1. Annie Chapman's items as found in the back yard of 29 Hanbury Street were not exactly the same as documented in numerous Ripper books.
2. George Lusk of the Whitechapel Vigilance Committee was depicted as a violent, argumentative trouble-maker when in fact he was not like that at all.
3. None of the uniformed policemen were shown as having been from Whitechapel's H-Division, for all of their badges were marked with a J. In actual fact, J-Division covers Bethnal Green, not Whitechapel.
4. HRH Prince Albert Victor was on several occasions referred to as the Duke of Clarence and Avondale, a title he did not receive until several years later.
5. The scene of the police officers in Miller's Court on the morning of the discovery of Mary Kelly's murder shows a uniformed police officer holding two dogs on leashes when in fact, Barnaby and Burgho (the two hounds trialled by Sir Charles Warren) could not be obtained at that time.
6. During the same scene, just after Sir Charles Warren departs from the yard to participate in the Lord Mayor's Parade, Superintendent Thomas Arnold remarks to Abberline, "He's offered to resign". In actual fact Charles Warren resigned the day before the murder of Mary Kelly.
7. Further to this, during a scene in which Fred Abberline is trying to get Sir Charles Warren to sign a warrant (in an effort to bait Jack the Ripper once the identity of the coach driver was known), Sir Charles is shown packing up his items (ie, he has resigned). This scene is well after the discovery of Mary Kelly. Again, Sir Charles Warren resigned on the day before her murder.
8. The Whitechapel scenery depicted throughout the movie was shown several times when intended to be depicted as different places. A long brick wall with metal spikes protruding from the top was shown perpendicular to Buck's Row in one scene. In another, it was adjacent to Dutfield's Yard; in another, it was shown as the exterior to the morgue as visited by Abberline and Godley, while a fourth time, it was shown as a part of Dorset Street when Abberline emerged from the Miller's Court and was soon after approached by George Lusk.
9. The position of Mary Kelly's bed as viewed from the window into which Thomas Bowyer peered is wrong. It is shown with the foot of the bed closest to the window, when in fact from that angle the view should have been the same view of the bed as shown in the photograph of Mary Jane Kelly's remains (which was found by Donald Rumbelow).
10. During the scenes in which gentlemen of the press read aloud the letters and post card apparently sent by Jack the Ripper, the readers skipped several sentences and did not read the letters in their entirety.
11. Several characters in the movie who were depicted as suspects have not been named as suspects anywhere else (to my knowledge). These include Dr Theodore Dyke Acland, Richard Mansfield, Robert James Lees, George Lusk, and Dr Rees Ralph Llywellyn.
12. Mary Jane Kelly is shown singing a song shortly before Jack the Ripper enters her room. The song she is singing is not the song she was reported as having sung on the night of her murder. The real song she sung that night is called "A Violet From Mother's Grave".
13. To my knowledge, at no time did any of the investigating police officers ever consult Sir William Gull on madness; nor did they show him the photograph of Mary Kelly's remains. In fairness, a lot of poetic license was employed with which to build the story.
14. Several times during the movie, a scene is shown in which the large wooden doors leading to the location of Jack the Ripper's coach are shown opening. The error lies in the fact that in some of these scenes, the latch on the gate is shown raising, while in others is is descending.
15. Sir William Gull did not examine the kidney which was sent to George Lusk along with the "From Hell" letter; it was examined by Doctor Thomas Openshaw.
I would be interested in hearing of any other errors which I have not yet found. |
Author: Paul Begg
Monday, 21 December 1998 - 12:22 am | | Hi Johnno
Godley was played by Lewis Collins. |
Author: Johnno
Sunday, 27 December 1998 - 02:22 pm | | | Thanks, Paul. See my next message for some interesting information about some of the actors in Jack the Ripper (1988), one of which includes Lewis Collins. |
Author: Johnno
Sunday, 27 December 1998 - 02:27 pm | | A friend and fellow Ripper enthusiast emailed me to tell me about what some of the actors from Jack the Ripper (1988) have been up to.
Here are the relevants parts of the email:
"Most actors it seems finished their career with that movie- in particular Lewis Collins, who appeared to be a very popular British tv actor until that movie, and he hasn't really been in anything since (and no he hasn't died or anything, just typecast and underrated).
The one person who has had her career bloom since the movie is the woman who played Mary Kelly (Lysette Anthony or should I say- Countess Lysette Chodski). She has gone to many many movies and tv shows (a lot of horror and suspense things like the tv series in UK of Cluedo.), as well as lots of theatre and even produced a few movies as well. The most famous movie she has made post-JTR was "Look whos talking now".
The last thing I found out today was that the girl who played Annette in the movie is in the clip for "Ant Music" by Adam and the Ants. Most amusing, and it seems that apart from that and the JTR movie, she hasn't had any other work.
Interesting. |
Author: Caz
Monday, 19 April 1999 - 06:21 pm | | Hi Johnno!
Has Adam worked much lately, I wonder? And did his ants all scatter to get cameo roles in Antz or A Bug's Life? Seems like he's no longer Prince Charming (grin).
Cluedo eh? No, I'd better not even go there....
Are we talking some kind of curse on hapless actors who take on Jack? Michael Caine and his cane just go from strength to strength, though, don't they?
If another ripper film gets made, perhaps, like 'the Scottish play', it'll have to be referred to as 'the Whitechapel Weed'? Waddya think?
Love,
Caz |
Author: Julian
Tuesday, 20 April 1999 - 04:06 am | | G'day everyone,
Geez Caz, what are you on this morning? What did that dentist do to you? Could I have some?
Jules |
Author: Caz
Tuesday, 20 April 1999 - 02:12 pm | | Hi All,
I'd just like to apologise here for my flippancy yesterday, which seemed to permeate all my posts. Whatever that dentist had in his hypodermic, it went straight to my head, not that I should be blaming anyone but myself. Anyway, after a painful night spent trying to avoid lying on my bruises (from the fall from my computer chair), I have sobered up considerably and normal service will be resumed.
Anyone got any suggestions for the lead role in The Whitechapel Weed? If I do ever write a book which leads on to a film, 'Jack the Ripper' will definitely not appear in either title. Don't wanna go down that road, no sirree, tempting fate and all that.
I thought the film could be called Roses, Lilies and Cows. A bit cryptic for now, but a bit of mystery is not entirely inappropriate when it comes to one of the greatest ones in modern times.
Wish I could solve the mystery of how megalomaniacs persuade otherwise 'decent' human beings to systematically violate and destroy their fellow human beings, under the old chestnut of "obeying orders". Beats me how these men can get aroused enough to 'carry out' those orders, even under threat of death. When will everyone start being responsible for their own actions and stop blaming others while playing 'follow my leader'? This can of course be seen on the small scale too, as in JtR1 and his henchman JtR2, so the relevance is there from world war three right down to solving this Victorian whodunnit and why.
Serious today, hey!
Love,
Caz |
Author: Edana
Tuesday, 20 April 1999 - 05:28 pm | | Caz, the perfect actor to play the 'alpha Jack', or the 'top Jack' in your deadly duo would be, I think...Ian McClellan. 'Beta Jack', or 'bottom Jack'?...hmmm, that's a bit more difficult. I've got my own favorites, but I don't want to lose any respect I've already built up here. *grin*
*cough cough* Stephen Fry *cough cough*
*cough cough cough* Leo DiCaprio *cough cough cough*
Edana (Full swing into her second adolescence...huzzah!) |
Author: Caz
Tuesday, 20 April 1999 - 07:54 pm | | Brill Edana,
You've just put the smile back on my face (it doesn't fade for long though!)
Ian sounds good for 'steeple' Jack, or the knave of tarts (sorry), except my JTR1 was quite short, possibly bisexual, and probably impotent for the duration of his 'series' (but Ian could put his acting hand to anything of course). But what do you mean by 'bottom' Jack dear? Hope we are not back to the s word (Sooty, sssssshhhh!)
JtR2 I think was taller, older, and a bit of a dope (in more ways than one). I would have picked a younger Dudley Moore for JtR1 and Peter Cook for JtR2, had my hero still been with us. Ah well, all other suggestions gratefully received, given the once over and turned into a three-pipe problem where necessary.
Leo DiCaprio??? Hasn't he had enough work lately? We'd have to wait for his b.... to drop (sorry, his voice to break) first!
Love,
Caz |
Author: Edana
Tuesday, 20 April 1999 - 10:20 pm | | Caz, not knowing the details of your dynamic duo, I was forced to daydream. Ian Maclellan could, of course play anything, he's such an excellant actor. Poor Leo, no matter how many times he does 'manly' things, people still think of him as a whiny boy. I think he's an excellant actor too, perhaps not classically trained, but with an amazing raw talent (Don't use Titanic as an example). Dudley Moore and Peter Cook> Oh my, this is starting to look like a Monty Python sketch already. The word bottom was used in my last message in a purely Shakespearean manner....um, yeah, that's it. Ok, here's another duo for you to ponder.....Robert Downey Jr for JTR1 and a younger Donald Sutherland for JTR2...or..oooer! How 'bout the combination of Gene Wilder and Donald Sutherland, like in that funny movie they did..Start the Revolution Without Me?
This is fun, hope I don't incur the wrath of the godz.
Edana |
Author: Julian
Wednesday, 21 April 1999 - 09:53 am | | G'day Caz, Edana,
Hey Caz, don't stop your flipflopancy. I've got a thriving business here charging people to read your posts.
How about throwing Kenny Everett in there somewhere? Gene Wilder? Billy Connelly?
Jules |
Author: Caz
Wednesday, 21 April 1999 - 04:18 pm | | Yeah, I guess we'll have to have an eclectic mix. (Sounds like a plug-in food processor! Not that I'd know. My oven is for looking at, not cooking on, but I'm a whizz with my dialling finger when it comes to pizza delivery and suchlike delights, no Jules, don't even go there!)
Looks like we'll have to drag a few old friends back from their untimely deaths to make this thing work. Cuddly Ken comes back to join Cuddly Dudley, and Freddie Mercury (oh please God!) arrives with Stephen Fry (who could play Oscar again, I'm confident there will be a part for him to play in 1880s London!)
Of course we can't forget Leslie Neillson (did I get the name right?) from Naked Gun. This time it would be Unsheathed Dagger The Umpteenth----The Really Really Final Solution (Fair Dinkum!).
(God it's pouring here, glad I've got a nice warm place to post this from today.)
Any Oceanians we could choose? Mel Gibson? Olivia Newton-John? Nichole Kidman?
Can Bryan Adams sing the title song please, and can Michael Kamen write some original music?
I'm not asking for much, am I?
Back to the bruise lotion (ouch! that smarts)
Love,
Caz |
Author: DUKE.
Thursday, 09 September 1999 - 05:05 am | | | Jonno, Your sad,just watch the film and enjoy,the mistakes don't matter,it's not a trial you know. Get a life and grow up. |
Author: Diana Comer
Thursday, 09 September 1999 - 08:09 am | | | That Michael Caine film was the beginning of my awful obsession with JTR which has lasted eleven years now! |
Author: Jeff D
Tuesday, 12 October 1999 - 12:03 am | | Hello All !
Could someone please help, and tell me how I could get ahold of a copy of the Michael Caine film ?
I am in the UK, (South Wales) so anyone in the vicinity who has a copy or could tell me where I might purchase one would be doing me a great favour. I've never had the priviledge of seeing this one, and would love to add it to my collection.
Thanks
Jeff D |
Author: Jed Burke
Thursday, 06 January 2000 - 03:58 am | | | This movie was the cause of many reoccuring nightmares and motivation to delve deeper into the mystery as a young child. It was my first visual experience which lead on and on. How my parents worried about my newly found interest, how my girlfriends go white at the collection of articles and books i have kept all those years. |
Author: D. Radka
Thursday, 06 January 2000 - 02:59 pm | | You sound like our kind of guy, Jed. The kind that's been missing here since Erick Vaughan (Zipitty) checked out awhile back. Keep it comin.'
David "Necro" Radka |
Author: tom alessandri
Saturday, 02 December 2000 - 06:00 pm | | Johnno: I continue to be impressed with your profound knowledge on the subject, especially of the Caine film. Despite its errors and its often sensationalistic tone, its atomosphere still works on me. That's why I am still forlorn about not finding a replacement copy of the VHS (US) version of the mini-series. Anyone got any leads beyond overspending on eBay?
At the end of the film, they refer to Abberline retiring after his part in the Cleveland Street scandals. Has that affair ever been madeinto film?
Also, in Hanna's THE WHITECHAPEL HORRORS, a Holmes' pastiche on Saucy Jack, Abberline is a very realistically portrayed element. And when I read--and re-read--I couldn't help but put Caine's face on the character. AND, in that excellent novel, Holmes takes Watson to the a party (Oscar Wildian) around the corner from Cleveland Street.
Didn't the actor who played Gull--and who played many roles on UK TV die soon after the filming? ALSO, the actor who played Gull's son-in-law was the same who played Lord Wimsey's man Bunter on the UK series made in the early 90's. He is featured in both STRONG POISON and HAVE HIS CARCASE. (**I am terrible with names; great with faces.)
ave atque vale
TA |
Author: Johnno
Sunday, 03 December 2000 - 06:52 am | | Sir William Gull was played by Ray McAnnaly in the mini-series. He was also featured in "My Left Foot", starring Daniel Day Lewis. No doubt he's been in plenty of other films, but I've only seen him in these two and possibly one other.
Search for "Jack the Ripper" on the Internet Movie Database (http://www.imdb.com) and when you get to the link, there'll be a linked page about Ray McAnnaly.
From memory, he passed away in the 1990s.
As an aside note, not long after "Jack the Ripper", another movie, "Jeckyl and Hyde", also starring Michael Caine, was released. It aired on TV here at the time, but I didn't watch much of it (not enough to see if Jack the Ripper rated a mention).
I think it was written (etc.) by the same people who made the JTR mini-series. |
Author: Simon Owen
Sunday, 03 December 2000 - 01:28 pm | | As an aside , Michael Caine's career did take a bit of a nosedive after he made the Ripper film , and it has only risen again recently with " Little Voice " and " The Ciderhouse Rules " - although he did get to work with the gorgeous Shawn Young on " Blue Ice " ( jealous ! ).
My interest in the Ripper case began from reading a children's book ( ! ) about Unsolved Mysteries , suffice to say there were no photos in the book thank goodness. Prostitutes were described as ' streetwalkers ' who got men to buy them drinks with no mention of any services rendered in return. Of course I already knew what a prostitute did , so this was the cause of much hilarity !
These were the days of the Stephen Knight documentaries and book , so maybe thats why I still have a fondness for that theory. |
Author: Johnno
Monday, 04 December 2000 - 05:04 am | | Tom, you were quite right about the death of Ray McAnally (which I've managed to spell correctly this time).
According to www.imdb.com, he passed away on 15 June, 1989.
And speaking of spelling, IMDB's cast list for the movie lists Jon Croft as "Mr. Thackeray of The Royal Muse".
Very amewsing. |
Author: tom alessandri
Monday, 04 December 2000 - 08:03 pm | | Johnno...thanks for the movie database suggestion--very helpful. Richard Morant played Gull's son-in-law (and Bunter in some of the Wimsey series). George McSweeney (or is it Sweeney...there goes my brain for names) played John Netley. A wonderful image from the film. As he is first being interviewed by Godley, Netley points out "I coulda bin a surgeon...I got the hands for it." And he holds up a pair of hands rather child-like in size and, it appears, grotesquely misshapen.
A former student of mine, Jeromy Cesena (USC film) is currently shooting a script inspired by a portion of the Caine film: the notion that two men might work together as one serial killer (ala Gull and Netley). Two killers working in tandem, as you know is rare, but the real life exceptions are fascinating: e.g. Hillside Stranglers. This was also the suggestion of the MURDER BY DECREE screenplay, if I am not much mistaken. One criminologist commented that the act of murder--such as conducted by the hunter-serial type is so much private and intimate in nature that it is almost impossible to fathom how two different souls (albeit both demented) could share the same secret/passion/obsession. |
Author: Johnno
Tuesday, 05 December 2000 - 02:39 am | | Tom,
Yes, from my reading of John Douglas's books, pairs of killers aren't so common. Cases like Buono and Bianchi, the Wests, and other murderous pairs discussed in John Douglas's books, tend to be the exception rather than the rule. There is always the more dominant killer in the pair.
As I was reading the first sentence of your second paragraph, I was reminded of Murder By Decree, which you then went on to mention later on. While it was a spin-off of the Knight theory, and with a Holmesian element, the atmosphere was very appealing, albeit inaccurate.
I suppose the secret to watching any Ripper movie is to watch it for the entertainment value, remembering that you're waiting a predominantly fictional story about a series of events which really happened, with some, even a lot of, facts included, but mostly poetic license and drama which can only be a general indication of how things may have happened at the time and as a result of the events that transpired.
The upcoming "From Hell" movie looks promising as far as atmosphere, costume, etc., but again is based on the same old story. I surmise that nobody who is reasonably familiar with the Ripper case, and able to separate fact from a lot of fiction, will go and see such a movie for factual value, but you can be sure that many people will become students of the Ripper case in the belief that what was portrayed in the movie is what really happened.
Like many, the Knight theory was what sparked my interest in the case.
PS: yes, Sweeney was the name of the actor who played Netley. |
Author: Caroline Anne Morris
Tuesday, 05 December 2000 - 03:57 am | | IMHO, those who walk away from a ripper film, or put down a ripper book, satisfied with their belief that what was portrayed really happened, are less likely to become students of the Ripper case. In general, isn't it those who see the holes in the various theories portrayed who want to know more, and may never come to any definite views from the available information? And isn't that what brings the majority of us non-authors here, to enter the debate?
Love,
Caz |
Author: tom alessandri
Wednesday, 06 December 2000 - 07:58 pm | | Continuing in the vein of what got us hooked on Ripper...
It would make sense that for good number of us it was in media other than the written word--though the written word is what sustains true interest. My first experience was in the older film, The Lodger with an actor named Laird Creiger (sp.) I recall that he reminded me of the later TV actor Raymond Burr (Perry Mason, et al.) who was a distant cousin of mine.
The story in The Lodger is not so much accurate as it is a mood piece--for me a first conjuration of the Victorian mystique (gaslight, hansome cabs, holmes)--elements more of a nostalgic view than reality, to be sure. But the concept of such a groteque monster living among the everyday set me on edge. I suddenly got drawn more and more into Christie's Miss Marple books, for example, since there the author especially emphasizes evil existing among the mundane everyday of village life.
So, yes, Caz, the true Ripperologists move from the holes in media versions to demanding those holes filled. But so often, we start with a more romantic, convenient and , by god, tidy story that set first sparks off.
I sometimes wonder how I will / would feel if and when incontrovertible proof were found for Kosminski or Eddy or Gull or MJ, etc. Wouldn't there be a letdown?
Another Caine connection: Abberline in Ripper (88) and an all-too-phoney Holmes in Without a Clue.
And, have you all already chortled over the Jane Seymour character in Ripper (88)? -- an embarrassing subplot that seemed only an excuse for some sort of "love theme" to be composed for the soundtrack.
ave atque vale
tom |
Author: Caroline Anne Morris
Thursday, 07 December 2000 - 04:46 am | | Hi Tom,
I would find it very interesting to know what proportion of ripperphiles would feel let down by such incontrovertible proof.
When I read that sentence of yours, my heart did a definite little skip at the thought of the mystery being solved, no matter who Jack turned out to be. If someone gets it right, it lets a heck of a lot of innocent men off the hook at last! And IMHO, it creates the potential for a whole new ripper era and industry, not to mention the incredible leap forward it may give to our understanding of such killers. (Would folk have a field day being able to prove all those modern profilers wrong, for instance?)
I do appreciate that, for many people, finding the real killer might kill their enjoyment of the mystery, but there is an argument that niggles away at me that 'enjoyment' is hardly the appropriate concept here (I should talk!).
And, of course, there would always be those who'd refuse to accept certain solutions, no matter what might turn up. I'm not even sure what could constitute incontrovertible proof anyway.
Looks like 'JTR: The Ultimate Solution - Honest Guv' won't be spoiling our funny little pastime for a while yet.
Love,
Caz |
Author: tom alessandri
Friday, 08 December 2000 - 11:20 pm | | Caz:
Alright...point taken, I guess. It is just that after all this time, I wonder if part of the fascination is the permanence of the riddle--this one NOT going away--always there for us, to tease, to needle. As for all the innocents finally being exonerated--your sense of justice is apt. Hell, I was even given a Oxford Lampoon Tabloid about Lewis Carroll being Jack the Ripper.
By the way, my search for a copy of Caine's miniseries to replace my destroyed one seems to be over, thanks to a kind heart hearing my plea in cyberspace.
so, in closing, I imagine I should not suggest:
Long live the mystery!
tom |
Author: jennifer pegg
Friday, 25 January 2002 - 06:07 am | | | could anyone tell me who played robert lees in the film |
Author: Jack Traisson
Friday, 25 January 2002 - 08:23 am | | Hi Jennifer,
In the 1988 Michael Caine version of "Jack the Ripper", Lees was played by Ray McAnally.
In "Murder by Decree", Donald Sutherland played Lees.
Cheers,
John |
Author: Monty
Friday, 25 January 2002 - 08:27 am | | John,
I beg to differ, Ray McAnally played Gull not Lees. I cannot remember who played him.
Monty
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Author: Paul Boothby
Friday, 25 January 2002 - 09:10 am | | Jennifer, earlier in this posting someone said it was an actor called Robert Bones (??!?). I've also seen further details on another board. I'll keep looking.
Paul |
Author: Paul Boothby
Friday, 25 January 2002 - 09:13 am | | Jennifer, sorry Ken not Robert.
Paul |
Author: Alegria [Moderator]
Friday, 25 January 2002 - 12:21 pm | | Paul,
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Ally |
Author: jennifer pegg
Friday, 25 January 2002 - 02:03 pm | | ken bones cheers,
if only i could remember what else i ve seen him in!
much prefer sutherland film! (even though haven't een it ha ha!) |
Author: Jack Traisson
Friday, 25 January 2002 - 05:27 pm | | Ken Bones is also in a movie called "Bellman and True", a crime thriller, bank heist film.
Co-starring Frances Tomelty! Can you believe that little piece of irony from the cast credits.
Sorry about the earlier mistake on the name; read the credits too quickly.
Cheers,
John |
Author: jennifer pegg
Saturday, 26 January 2002 - 09:27 am | | indeed an interesting piece of irony!!
ken bones is a fine actor but i still didn't like the portrayal of lees in this film! |
Author: Caroline Anne Morris
Sunday, 27 January 2002 - 08:55 am | | Wasn't Frances Tomelty once married to Sting from Police? Another little piece of irony.
Love,
Caz |
Author: jennifer pegg
Monday, 28 January 2002 - 04:28 am | | | i think this whole film is a piece of irony! |
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