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FBI's Behavioral Science Unit criminal profile
Casebook Message Boards: Ripper Media: General Discussion:
FBI's Behavioral Science Unit criminal profile
Author: ChrisM
Friday, 22 January 1999 - 02:13 pm |        | | Hi, Does anyone know where I can read the FBI's criminal profile of the Ripper? |
Author: observer
Sunday, 24 January 1999 - 12:50 am | | A copy can be obtained from John Smithkey, who advertises in the Casebook
under Ripper Books. |
Author: Jac Thornton
Saturday, 12 June 1999 - 06:35 pm | | Excuuuuuuuuuse Me !!!
I`ve just drunk a bottle of wine to myself before i looked at this site so exuse me if theres any-one out there who doesn`t like what i have to say.What the heck do AMERICANS!! know about Jack the Ripper.How come the FBI have files on it? What on earth has it got to do with America, they always seem to have to stick their nose into every thing.The Ripper murders happened in Britain and i`m sure if we British put all our brain cells together we can figure this out for ourselves.
We don`t need America messing about in our buisness!
Jack the Ripper, gruesome as he maybe is part of British history.
I Apoolgise if i have offended any-one. I`m going to bed now, wine can make you very sleepy!!!!!!! |
Author: Jon Smyth
Saturday, 12 June 1999 - 06:52 pm | | Calm down Jac !!
(was it the wine?)
All the original home office files & Scotland Yard files are available for anyone around the world to buy copies of.
What does it matter where anyone lives?
The FBI don't have any files on Jack the Ripper, there was a criminal profile done by a member of the FBI for a tv show some years back, thats all.
One of the contemporary suspect in 1888 had come over from America and another one left for America so there is American involvement anyway.
Some of us on this American continent are ex-Brits who study the case, and have done so for many years.
Now, lets put the wine away....and talk. :-)
Regards, Jon |
Author: Christopher George
Sunday, 13 June 1999 - 12:33 am | | Hi, Jac:
I am another ex-pat Brit who lives in the United States, and I would like to say that some of my American-born colleagues have great knowledge of the case. I have just had the honor to interview Mr. Stewart P. Evans, the British Ripperologist and author, for an upcoming issue of "Ripper Notes," the quarterly newsletter of Casebook Productions Inc., and Mr. Evans was complimentary about the depth of knowledge of his American-based brethren. I will say that Stewart has reservations about profiling and does not believe it can be applied to the Whitechapel murders, but on the other hand he does not fault other ongoing American-based research into the case that does not involve profiling.
Chris George |
Author: Caz
Monday, 14 June 1999 - 06:01 pm | | Hey Jac!
I must say, I am enjoying a glass of rather smooth rioja as I read tonight, but the red wine has never turned this brit into a xenophobe :-)
The more people who join in with the hunt for the ripper, the better in my view. So you are equally welcome, but you may get some more stick if you don't come up with some positive stuff next time!
Love,
True Brit Caz |
Author: Joseph
Monday, 14 June 1999 - 09:58 pm | | Hi Caz,
Isn't a xenophobe an enemy of the warrior
princess? :-)
Best Regards
Jockster the mighty |
Author: Caz
Tuesday, 15 June 1999 - 08:16 am | | Hi Joe!
As a xenophobe is everybody's enemy including their own, I guess I can answer in the affirmative to your question. ;-)
Love,
Princess Caz
(Not the warrior but the one who felt the pea at the bottom of her bed) |
Author: Brian W. Schoeneman
Thursday, 10 February 2000 - 12:14 am | | Does anyone know of a website that would have the criminal profile on it? I just got done reading John Douglas' "Anatomy of Motive" and I wanted to compare it to what I know of the Ripper murders.
Thanks!
Brian S |
Author: Thomas Ind
Thursday, 10 February 2000 - 12:58 pm | | | No but make sure you let us know if you find one |
Author: Christopher T. George
Thursday, 10 February 2000 - 03:44 pm | | Hi, all:
The following abstract for the scientific article that gives the FBI profile for Jack the Ripper gives some idea of the broadscale approach to how science can "solve"--or not solve--such historical mysteries:
Am J Forensic Med Pathol 1989 Jun;10(2):164-71
The Ripper Project. Modern science solving mysteries of history.
W. G. Eckert (Milton Helpern International Center of Forensic Sciences, Wichita State University, Kansas 67208).
Modern scientific techniques may be applied to solve historical--even ancient--mysteries. Many such mysteries have been studied by forensic scientists, including anthropologists. One example is the recent examination of the artifacts and grave sites at the Little Bighorn in Montana, the scene of the battle between General George A. Custer's troops and the Northern Plains Indian tribes. Similarly, skeleton remains of the Indian tribes of the Pre-Columbian and Columbian periods have been studied to answer many questions regarding life and death in those early civilizations. The Ripper Project began as a research activity of the Milton Helpern International Center for the Forensic Sciences at Wichita State University Wichita, Kansas, in 1981, after the concept had been discussed in a night session during the annual meeting of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences in Los Angeles. These century-old serial murders of five prostitutes--The Whitechapel Murders--in London in 1888 were discussed in great detail from the standpoints of the forensic pathologist, the forensic psychiatrist, the criminalist, the forensic historian, and the forensic dentist. The information gained during this phase of the project plus the advances made possible by the development of criminal personality profiling by the FBI led to the present status of this project, which was recently discussed in a live telecast, and which is the subject of this article.
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As far as I know, to "get" the FBI profile, you have to go to this article, and it is not available on the web, other than this abstract that is available at PubMed.
Chris George |
Author: Ashling
Thursday, 10 February 2000 - 08:35 pm | | Hi all:
To expand on Chris George's post on the FBI profile -
Anyone in the USA can obtain a copy of the entire article written by William G. Eckert in the American Journal of Forensic Medicine & Pathology, Volume 10, No. 2, 1989, pages 164-171 ...
... From the IntraLibrary Loan program for free (although they do need & appreciate donations). You can order via phone, just call the main branch of your local library system. You will have to go pick it up, unless you're disabled ... there's another program that handles home delivery. I learned all this from the ever so nice librarians in my corner of world. If you live across the Big Pond & can't locate a copy, e-mail me by clicking on my name above.
To address questions & statements made about this profile on various boards on Casebook, here's a few more excerpts:
"At the beginning of the project, concentrated case information was sent to experienced forensic scientists who evaluated it according to their expertise. Thus background information was sent with other material to --
Dr. Thomas T. Noguchi of Los Angeles;
Dr. Fred Hacker, a forensic psychiatrist and international renowned expert on terrorism;
Dr. Douglas Lucas, a criminalist and the director of Canada's leading Center of Forensic Sciences in Toronto; and
Dr. Bernard Sims, a forensic odontologist in the Department of Forensic Medicine at the University of London Hospital Medical School and a native of the Whitechapel area.
These scientist met as a group ... in 1981. Their presentations were recorded at that time, but were never published. They basically presented a review of the case from the standpoints of each of the specialities (sic) represented. No definite information was provided, however, that contributed directly to the determination of a possible suspect.
The Ripper Project culminated in a live documentary ... in an attempt to determine the identity of Jack the Ripper from among the five most likely suspects. These included:
1. The Duke of Clarence, ...
2. Sir William Gull, ...
3. Montague Druitt, ...
4. Dr. Roslyn D'Onston, ...
5. Kosminski, ...
My understanding is the FBI participated in this project in order to showcase & hopefully gain support for profiling methods. The documentary by dramatic example showed the public the ABCs of profiling, but I doubt they meant it to be absolute proof of JtR's identity.
By the above method we could form a follow-up to the Warren Commission, give the FBI only 4 suspects to pick from - Larry, Curly & Moe (The Three Stooges), plus Lee Harvey Oswald ... Then step back and say, "Wow!" when they picked Oswald as Kennedy's assassin.
For those keeping score, I find studying profiling methods useful. I lack the day-to-day knowledge of criminal behavior that our cops, lawyers, judges and such posting here know intimately. The FBI's profiles gives me some insight, much as reading Walkowitz on prostitution and Fishman's East End 1888 helps me understand the culture of Victorian London.
To suppose I can profile JtR myself if fairly ludicrous ...
1. Never been to Virginia, much less obtained training at Quantico.
2. Ressler, Douglas, nor I will live long enough to time travel backwards for hands-on inspection of the crime scenes.
Excuse the long post. Blame it on the most excellent Chris G (your thoughtfulness in posting that extract inspired me, Chris!).
Janice |
Author: Diana Louise Comer
Thursday, 10 February 2000 - 09:35 pm | | | I have the tape of the broadcast, and if I ever can slow down long enough to do it, I will transcribe onto this site. |
Author: Thomas Ind
Friday, 11 February 2000 - 02:17 pm | | | I can probably get the article for you from the RSM if u are prepared to wait 2 weeks. I could probably go and get it now but regrettably I am never able to get there during opening hours. |
Author: Carl Dodd
Thursday, 06 July 2000 - 02:52 am | | | Serious field police officers think that profiling rates right up there with UFOs, voodoo and crystal balls. People who become profilers are pushy, little political hacks who can't make it in the field. These hacks are always trying to take credit away from serious lawmen who have strained and sweated trying to find and arrest a criminal. Next time a profiler tries to take credit for solving a case, listen to what he says and doesn't say. The profilers will NEVER say, "We were wrong about the suspect having a purple horn sticking out of his forehead..." They will say, "We were right about the suspect having 2 hands..." Give me a break..... |
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