Author: Christopher-Michael DiGrazia
Tuesday, 29 August 2000 - 11:16 am |        |
Hullo, all -
I had thought of posting this question under "Policemen: what did they know?" as my question has only to do with PC Long, but thought that a more general heading would make this section available for others.
I am doing some research on the Goulston Street Graffito and wonder if any of the soon-to-be-gathered multitudes might have an answer for me. I have yet to find a written account of what side of the doorway arch the writing was found (perhaps I've already seen it but not registered the information!). Failing that answer, does anyone know what Long's beat was the night of September 30? More specifically, when coming along Goulston Street, would Wentworth Model Dwellings be on his left or right? Long noted that the piece of Eddowes' apron was what first caught his attention and then he noticed the writing, so I am thinking that perhaps if the building was on his right as he walked along, his eyes naturally fell to the apron and then saw the writing on the left-hand side of the doorway (if you were facing it) - and vice-versa were the building on his left.
All thoughts and assumations welcome.
CMD |
Author: stephen borsbey
Wednesday, 13 September 2000 - 04:41 pm | |
i have bought a policemans medal recently
which was worn on the golden jubilee parade
in1887 by a constable phillips. A DIV.
can anyone tell me which area this covered
and was it a ripper area?????it has a 1897
bar which was the diamond jub. and so proves that constable phillips was on duty
in the metropolitan area in 1888. regards steve. A DIVISION. |
Author: Johnno
Wednesday, 13 September 2000 - 06:02 pm | |
A Division is Whitehall.
Whitechapel is H Division. Police from J Division (covering nearby Bethnal Green) were drafted in during the investigation.
If you're interested, there is an article on the Casebook which offers an introduction to the Metropolitan Police. From the main menu on the Casebook, click "Police Officials" and you'll see a link to the article. |
Author: stephen borsbey
Thursday, 14 September 2000 - 04:22 pm | |
thanks, johnno, somehow i am a little dissappointed.never mind i will still treasure the medal. i will study the link.
steve, |
Author: stephen borsbey
Sunday, 08 October 2000 - 04:15 pm | |
how much did a police constable earn
in a week in 1888. and what sort of people were recruited ,were they all former
army people??????i ask this to guage their
dedication to the job. |
Author: Guy Hatton
Monday, 09 October 2000 - 06:03 am | |
Don't know about the earnings question, Stephen, but according to Martin Fido and Keith Skinner's Official Encyclopaedia of Scotland Yard, the very first two Metropolitan Police "beat bobbies" were sacked almost immediately for (if I remember correctly) drunkenness on their first night of duty. Perhaps this gives some indication of their dedication to duty!
All the Best
Guy |
Author: Jon
Monday, 09 October 2000 - 09:38 am | |
Stephen
I'm sure I've seen a few examples of a regular beat PC's earnings somewhere, but just cant lay my hands on it just now.
I do have a list of Police orders ranging from 1868 - 1895 and the weekly pay is mentioned, but unfortunately it is for 1868 only.
BEADLE, Insp, 31 Aug 1868, Sick leave on full pay 30s 11d per week.
BROCK, PC 191, 31 Aug 1868, Sick leave on full pay 18s 8d per week.
FITZPATRICK, PC 736, 31 Aug 1868, Sick leave on full pay 22s 7d per week.
JENNER, PC 270, 31 Aug 1868, Sick leave on full pay 24s 7d per week.
SCOTT, PC 66, 31 Aug 1868, Sick leave on full pay 19s 7d per week.
TOMS, PC 312, 31 Aug 1868, Sick leave on full pay 19s 7d per week.
WINTERMAN, PC 104, 31 Aug 1868, Sick leave on full pay 24s 7d per week.
The above examples may help because I dont think PC's were issued substantial or regular pay increases, not like what we may expect today.
Though Stewart would undoubtably have access to more contemporary numbers.
Beat Police were rectruted from the general public, a better alternative than joining up in the army.
Regards, Jon |
Author: stephen borsbey
Monday, 09 October 2000 - 05:03 pm | |
thank you , guy and jon for the info.strange how the amounts vary?where they from different forces i wonder?i was surprised to learn they had sick pay in 1868,perhaps for the police only.?i think we can assume it was about 30 shillings by
1888.perhaps a little less??a good wage in those days though.....regards steve.... |
Author: Jon
Monday, 09 October 2000 - 05:31 pm | |
Not different forces, Stephen. Only one force, the Metropolitan Police.
I suspect the differences are mainly due to years of service of the individual PC's.
Regards, Jon |
Author: jennifer pegg
Saturday, 09 February 2002 - 05:42 am | |
who do people think were the key policemen in this case outside of the top ranks?
what did the majority of the police do at the time of the murders were they on special patrols etc? |
