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Defenders Of The Realm
Casebook Message Boards: Beyond Whitechapel - Other Crimes: Defenders Of The Realm
Author: Ashleah Skinner
Friday, 08 November 2002 - 03:44 pm |        | The Defenders Of The Realm for those not sure are like MI6.
They defend the royal family.
Diana's butler Paur Burrel who was aquited at the old bailey for taking her possesion.
In the media in the UK he has made a number of outburst on the royal family and for those interested in the Royality it may come of an intrest that HRH Queen Elizbeth 2nd said to the butler "There are forces in this country in which i have no control over" (or something along those lines)
If this meeting is true could she be warning the butler about the forces e.g Defenders Of The Realm?
While on the subject did MI6 kill HRH Princess Diana
Did MI6 Kill Diana?
The Two Main Theories:
a) One or more rogue "cells" in the British secret service construct and carry out a plot to kill Diana.
b) An official campaign by MI6 to assasinate Diana, sanctioned by elements of the establishment.
The Possible Motives
a) The rogue elements in MI5 (National security) or MI6 (International security) decide that Di is a threat to the throne, and therefore the stability of the state. They take her out.
b) With similar motives to the possible rogue elements, the official campaign is driven by a fear of Diana's possible to conversion to Islam (Dodi being a Muslim) and the implication on the Church and State were the two Princes, William and Harry, to follow their mother's lead.
The Evidence
Circumstantial it maybe, but put together is it capable of raising sufficient doubt that this was an accident?
Below are some of the questions and doubts that are raised by the investigation so far
- The rapid disposal of the bodies of Diana and Dodi. Diana had no post mortem prior to burial in Althorp. Victims of sudden death require a post mortem by law in the UK.
- The missing white Fiat Uno: With such a large-scale investigation by French authorities could only secret agents have evaded the police's net around Paris? We know the car hit the Mercedes used by Di and Dodi, thanks to traceable paint marks on the Benz. Witnesses refer to the car lurching around the road at varying speeds as both it and the Merc entered the tunnel of death.
- Henri Paul, driver of the Limo. The mis-information surrounding this key figure is enormous. First he was said to be driving at up to 120 mph, recent reports by professional crash investigators suggest 60 mph, even less on impact.
Was he really drunk? It is accepted that he had two Ricard drinks at the Ritz, but no other evidence has emerged to support this claim, beyond questionable results from a blood test from his corpse. Why questionable? Because it is common for the alcohol level to rise in bodies after death regardless of consumption. The test also showed a very high level of carbon monoxide (20 per cent) in his blood. Experts say this would have incapacitated him before he set off on his fatal journey, and yet the hotel's video evidence shows him walking around and talking normally. An alcoholic? Well , as a pilot, he passed a rigorous health check two days before the accident. His liver showed no signs of abuse on post-mortem.
Then there is the question of the multiple bank accounts Paul held, with balances showing income far in excess of his 20 000 UKP salary as acting head of security at the Ritz. Some friends have suggested he was a long term "sleeper" agent for a secret service agency, almost certainly French intelligence.
- Trevor Rees Jones (Fayed bodyguard)- The only survivor. One time member of Her Majesty's armed forces, rumours suggest he may have been a "sleeper" agent for MI5 or MI6, particularly as the establishment were keen to keep tabs on Mohammed Al Fayed. Why was he the only person in the car to wear a safety-belt?
- Explosion, followed by Bang- Immediately after the crash news was broadcast, witnesses appeared on US TV saying that they heard an explosion or bang before they heard the car crash. Was this a gunshot, or a bomb?
- White Light- Other witnesses describe an extremely bright white light, much stronger than a photographer's flashbulb, illuminating the tunnel before the crash sounds. Powerful anti-personnel flash-guns are available to private citizens for as little as 250 UKP. The security forces have access to much stronger tools. All of which are capable of blinding a victim for several minutes - easily enough to cause a fatal crash. Crucially there would be no physical evidence left for investigators.
- James Hewitt- Former lover of Diana claims he was warned on several occasions by elements of the security forces and a member of the royal family to stop seeing the Princess or his health would suffer! Hewitt has been exposed previously as being very willing to exploit a situation for his own ends, as in the publication of a sleazy book about Diana to which he contributed.
- Paparazzi- Initially blamed for the crash, most witnesses seem to agree that the bikes were not close enough to the Mercedes in the tunnel to have actually interfered with its progress.
NB These are just a selection of matters which cause concern for investigators. Many other points are raised by the "accident" but for reasons of space are not dealt with here.
Conclusions
There are many questions that arise out of this incident. The most plausible explanation still appears to be a tragic accident - Paul who was driving to some degree under the influence of alcohol, tried to accelerate away from the pursuing photographers, lost control going into the tunnel (after the slight curve in the road, and maybe as the Uno impeded his progress) and crashed into the tunnel's thirteenth pillar.
This maybe the most plausible explanation, however, we feel that without dramatic new evidence , such as the Uno and driver turning up, this will never be certain.
While there remains doubt as to whether it was an accident it is reasonable to question what the possible alternatives are. The most plausible of these has to involve members of the UK establishment and secret service as few others had anything to lose from Diana and Dodi's relationship. To keep such a plot secret we believe it would have to be the work of a small, isolated cell working under its own auspices within the system.
Former agents have told of a plot to destabilise the then Labour Prime Minister Harold Wilson in the Seventies. Wilson did indeed resign from office, shocking political commentators at the time. We know that our intelligence service keeps records on Peace campaigners and Union officials for the "threat" of being radicals.
If the service really does operate as efficiently as James Bond films lead us to believe, which we doubt very strongly, then there would be nothing to stop them orchestrating Diana's death AND making it appear to be an accident.
But as yet there is clearly more evidence to support an accident than a secret plot. For us though, the jury is still out. |
Author: Harry Mann
Saturday, 09 November 2002 - 04:52 am | | Ashleah,
Are they the same sort of people to uphold the belief that the Royal Family would have remained with their subjects in England even had the German Forces invaded England during the 39-45 war.
Are they the same people who suppressed the knowledge of the two submarines and one flight of aircraft on permanent standby to evacuate the Royal Family and most notable parliamentarions,in case an invasion did take place.
Don't look for confirmation,it will not be found.
H.Mann. |
Author: Ashleah Skinner
Saturday, 09 November 2002 - 01:47 pm | | True but thats beside the point.
the evidence in the "Did MI6 Kill Diana" plot cant be dismissed.
The CIA expressed a lack of support when they were asked to tell the truth which obviously means they are covering something up.
Also Diana never got a post-mortem examination prior to burial but why not?
It's also known that Diana died in the crash but she died in the French hospital where a heart massage failed so could they have killed her at the hosptal by maki |
Author: KeithAilwood
Saturday, 04 January 2003 - 07:54 pm | | So Shes Dead??? Then how does every one explain the apparent pictures of her currently floating around the net?..Also might i add that the only paper ever to publish a pic of her was after the incident was quickly told to cease and desist for the good of the Country.
I can pick holes ..(not little ones but great big ones) int he pictorial evidence of the crash ....theres no physical way a Merc could have spun at the speeds they suggest without a damn site more damage than was reported. also its worth noting, that the crash pics dont match the actual reports verbal state ments, or "eye witness accounts" the damage to the car not actually supporting the events as portrayed.
Did Mi6 kill her? or did they make it look that way? The Driver of the car smiled a lot at the funeral I noted ..as did Charles and Will, Now i dont like the idea, but ..if ...and I do mean if the Royals had sanctioned it ...what better way to have her "done" than in a public subway ..in paris in the arms of her lover ? And what of the Child? Surely no one else hasn't noticed that fact? She was wearing the ring and smile of a woman in full bloom? and yet no mention of the inpending child?
But no post mortum was obvious ...you cant without a body!! its a bit difficult. And if there is a body in that Grave ...I would wonder as to its identity. Not for the first time either.. This has happened before. |
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