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Archive through 11 September 2002
Casebook Message Boards: Beyond Whitechapel - Other Crimes: Diana Princess of Wales:
Archive through 11 September 2002
Author: Simon Owen
Sunday, 01 September 2002 - 09:26 pm |        | A 500 page report assembled by French Gendarmerie investigators at their laboratory outside Paris found that , after 13 months of testing , there was allegedly nothing intrinsically wrong with the Mercedes in which Diana and Dodi were killed. The report also confirmed that the Mercedes was travelling between 62 and 75mph , not the speed of 120mph that had been claimed earlier.
Further to the above , not only did Andanson have his white Fiat Uno repainted after Diana's death , he also tried to change the plates as well. |
Author: Simon Owen
Sunday, 01 September 2002 - 09:51 pm | | By Valerie Martin :
Nexus magazine vol.8 no.I, Dec/Jan
2001 reprinted a long affidavit by Richard
Tomlinson a former MI6 officer, entitled, MI6 and the Princess of Wales, of
which the following are a few points.
Tomlinson claims to have seen a contingency plan by MI6 in 1992 to
assassinate (the former) Serbian President Miloservic by causing his
personal limousine to crash in a tunnel, using a strobe flashgun to distract
the driver, a device used by Special Forces to disorientate helicopter
pilots and terrorists.
Some accounts of the Pont de l`Alma accident describe a bright flash just
before the crash.
Tomlinson further said that one of the papparazzi photographers who
routinely followed the Princess was a member of UKN, a small corps of
part-time MI6 agents who provide surveillance services.
According to Tomlinson, in 1992 on another matter - an operation to smuggle
Soviet weapons out of the disintegrating Soviet Union, a source of
information was a French informant who was a member of security at the Ritz
Hotel, Paris, a description which fitted Henri Paul.
In August 1998, Tomlinson gave much of his information to Judge Herve
Stephan, the French investigative judge in charge of the inquest into the
accident. Tomlinson was violently arrested before the inquest. He was
subsequently released but further unpleasant incidents happened, which he
has survived. |
Author: Neale Carter
Monday, 02 September 2002 - 11:02 pm | | | Just a thought, but wasn't the only survivor of the crash wearing a seatbelt, ie. the security guy in the front seat? If nothing else this should be a lesson from the tragedy |
Author: Divia deBrevier
Tuesday, 03 September 2002 - 12:11 am | | Dear Simon:
About your posts... I was not aware of most of this information, and don't know what to make of it. I am, however, aware of the strobe flashgun theory mentioned in the last post. This was the one thing that I had heard about that did indeed stick in my mind as... odd.
Last week I read on the ABC News page that some people think that Osama Bin Laden was behind the death of Princess Diana. At this point, I think most people in the US are ready to pin any unfortunate incident on him. Mind you, I am not defending the man. I just find it farfetched.
Dear Jeff/Dave:
I remember exactly where I was when JFK Jr. died... would you believe I was in a lingerie boutique?
Warm regards,
Divia |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Tuesday, 03 September 2002 - 05:49 am | | Simon,
The Juwes will not be Blamed for Nothing...Again. Rosey :-) |
Author: David O'Flaherty
Tuesday, 03 September 2002 - 09:26 am | | Divia, a lingerie boutique? What for? 
I never heard of the UBL connection to Diana's car crash--that's a new one. It's a little subtle for the folks at Al-Queda though, isn't it?
Cheers,
Dave |
Author: Simon Owen
Tuesday, 03 September 2002 - 01:01 pm | | Neale , the odd thing is that Trevor Rees-Jones should NOT have been wearing a seatbelt , its common practice for bodyguards not to wear one as they need to be ready for action at any time.
He obviously realised the car was going to crash and instinctively buckled up.
As I mentioned before , if Henri Paul was driving erratically , why did Rees-Jones not just reach over and turn the ignition off , or grab the wheel. This guy was extremely competent and extremely fit and alert. Or why did he not tell Paul to put on the brakes ? |
Author: Christopher T George
Tuesday, 03 September 2002 - 02:05 pm | | Hi Divia, Simon, and David:
Although much evil can be laid at the feet of Osama Bin Laden I doubt whether the death of Diana is one of his black-hearted acts. Indeed, terrorists do these acts to draw attention to themselves and to their causes, so why would we not have heard of this "connection" until now. It is now apparently coming out that the September 11 terrorists boasted of what they were going to do beforehand, and of course there was the videotape of Osama Bin Laden exulting over what had been done, so it is hard to conceive similar would not have happened if Diana was also a victim of Al-Queda.
All the best
Chris George |
Author: Ashleah Skinner
Tuesday, 03 September 2002 - 02:21 pm | | | The Talban when they began were helped by the CIA and NOT terrorists BUT a French Author Thierry Meyssan claimed that the attacks were a sinister plot by the US Government to justify military action against Afghanistan and Iraq. Tonight in the UK at 11.05 on Channel 5 will show it in detail and if you miss it i will record it so the first to contact me gets it. |
Author: Divia deBrevier
Wednesday, 04 September 2002 - 11:15 am | | Dear David:
Divia, a lingerie boutique? What for?
I was lacing myself up in a corset when they made the announcement on the radio. I was buying a new outfit for... something.
Dear Simon:
As I mentioned before , if Henri Paul was driving erratically , why did Rees-Jones not just reach over and turn the ignition off , or grab the wheel. This guy was extremely competent and extremely fit and alert. Or why did he not tell Paul to put on the brakes ?
This was something that had bothered me... if Paul was that intoxicated I should think that Rees-Jones would have been able to tell that Paul was not fit to drive. And, if Paul was taking antidepressants, these would intensify the affects of alcohol, making him appear more intoxicated than he might actually have been. So, whatever happened that night must have happened so quickly that Rees-Jones did not have time to do anything to avoid it or he was involved in it himself (which I don't believe, to be honest).
I personally think that the pursuing paparazzi were partially at fault, possibly running them off the road by accident, and with flashes going off could have impaired Paul's vision. The strobe flashgun *could* have been a part of it, blinding Paul for a moment and causing the crash. That is, *if* it happened that way. Unfortunately, unless someone comes forward and confesses, we will probably never know. And even then, it's a possibility that the confessor is a crackpot and really didn't have anything to do with it.
Dear Chris George:
Although much evil can be laid at the feet of Osama Bin Laden I doubt whether the death of Diana is one of his black-hearted acts.
I agree wholeheartedly!
Warm regards,
Divia |
Author: Peter J. C. Tabord
Thursday, 05 September 2002 - 06:07 am | | Hi All
Turning the ignition off on most cars locks the steering - not a good thing at speed. And usually it is on the far side of the steering wheel from the passenger.
Maybe Rees-Jones did intervene. He doesn't remember the accident clearly, as far as I recall. Grabbing the steering wheel would be a good way of causing the car to swerve at speed. But I doubt he would have been able to do so in a seatbelt. He may have put the seatbelt on because they were driving unusually fast to escape the paparazzi. He'd take it off again when they slowed down.
Some drunk drivers don't drive particularly erratically, however, especially those who drink habitually enough to look reasonably sober while over the limit as Paul must have done. Instead they 'flip out' i.e. lose attention for a few seconds which afterwards they cannot recall doing. Usually the result is similar to an overtired driver falling asleep, a swerve off the road. That would be what I expect happened in this case. Dull, but entirely consistent with the known facts.
Cheers
Pete |
Author: Ashleah Skinner
Thursday, 05 September 2002 - 06:29 pm | | | Do you want to login as MI5 even though your not? Visit http://www.MI5.org.uk to see the MI5 Login page but use the right password |
Author: Jim Jenkinson
Sunday, 08 September 2002 - 01:42 am | | Further to previous links posted about HM Government's secret services. The Friends Reunited website has names and "what they're doing now" resumees for MI5 and MI6.
Also the SAS, who had a Mr Hardasnails, on their books, at one time.
Shaken but not stirred
Jim |
Author: Warwick Parminter
Tuesday, 10 September 2002 - 09:06 pm | | 09:00am 3000 victims of terrorism
need our thoughts and prayers |
Author: Graham Jay
Wednesday, 11 September 2002 - 04:18 am | | | to |
Author: Jim Jenkinson
Wednesday, 11 September 2002 - 05:59 am | | Graham,
There would be many ways to answer your statement, but today, do me a favour, and let our U.S. allies, (and every other country involved) grieve in peace.
Jim |
Author: Peter R.A. Birchwood
Wednesday, 11 September 2002 - 06:13 am | | Although I don't have much sympathy with psychological analysis I wonder if there is an element here of Daddy Bush failing to oust Demonic Dictator (who many fundamentalists have already labelled "the Antichrist) so Boy Bush decides he can do one better that his Pa and thus prove his superiority.
Possibly if there were more voters of Arabian descent in the US, this sort of thing would not happen.
And although there was a lot of drama about new terrorist attacks yesterday and pictures of fighters swarming in the Washington skies, I wonder if the point of this so-called warning was to keep the public jittery and more open to more war in the Middle East. |
Author: Neal Shelden
Wednesday, 11 September 2002 - 11:26 am | | I would like to join Warwick in rememberance of the victims of September 11.
And to say that I hope that freedom and democracy continues to overcome evil whether it be Bin Laden inspired or Iraqi etc..
  
We're in this together! |
Author: Divia deBrevier
Wednesday, 11 September 2002 - 11:45 am | | Greetings all:
Thank you for the kind thoughts today...
I will NEVER forget watching the Pentagon fire. I could see it from my office, and from my home. The reports flowing through the media that day were do discombobulated, I wasn't certain if I had a family left, or if my friends were all gone. For a long time, I wouldn't even drive by the Pentagon because I didn't want to look at that gaping hole. It hurt too much.
I was most fortunate that my father was unharmed contrary to initial reports... other friends were not so fortunate. I attended 19 funerals in the past 12 months. That was 19 too many.
I know that there were many that lost more than I did that day, but I hurt too, and need to vent just as much.
Thanks for letting me say my piece.
Warm regards,
Divia |
Author: Christopher T George
Wednesday, 11 September 2002 - 03:39 pm | | Hi, all:
Thank you, Neal and Warwick, for your kind remembrance of the victims of a year ago.
I don't agree with the idea of war against Iraq, feeling that Saddam Hussein is a straw man for the real menaces, global terrorism and other ills of the world. He is just one more tinpot dictator, not someone who threatens the whole world with his [big letters] "Weapons of Mass Destruction." The comparisons with Hitler are just plain absurd. American and British entry into Iraq could cause much more harm than it would help.
Working as I do in the heart of the nation's capital, Washington, D.C., I feel that I am on the griddle due to the anniversary of the horrendous terrorist attacks.
As you may know, the nation is on a code orange alert, the highest since that sad day a year ago. The authorities are saying there are "credible" threats just like there were a year ago for some sort of terrorist action either in this country or possible suicide attacks on U.S. interests abroad. Here at my workplace on 12th St. Southwest near the Mall and the Washington Monument, we honored those who lost their lives with a moment of silence today at noon. Red, white & blue ribbons were given out to
arriving employees.
Meanwhile below is a fine poem by the American poet Billy Collins that was read several days ago before Congress as a commemoration of the victims of 9/11:
All the best
Chris George
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THE NAMES
by Billy Collins
Yesterday, I lay awake in the palm of the night.
A fine rain stole in, unhelped by any breeze,
And when I saw the silver glaze on the windows,
I started with A, with Ackerman, as it happened,
Then Baxter and Calabro,
Davis and Eberling, names falling into place
As droplets fell through the dark.
Names printed on the ceiling of the night.
Names slipping around a watery bend.
Twenty-six willows on the banks of a stream.
In the morning, I walked out barefoot
Among thousands of flowers
Heavy with dew like the eyes of tears,
And each had a name ‹
Fiori inscribed on a yellow petal
Then Gonzalez and Han, Ishikawa and Jenkins.
Names written in the air
And stitched into the cloth of the day.
A name under a photograph taped to a mailbox.
Monogram on a torn shirt,
I see you spelled out on storefront windows
And on the bright unfurled awnings of this city.
I say the syllables as I turn a corner
Kelly and Lee,
Medina, Nardella, and O'Connor.
When I peer into the woods,
I see a thick tangle where letters are hidden
As in a puzzle concocted for children.
Parker and Quigley in the twigs of an ash,
Rizzo, Schubert, Torres, and Upton,
Secrets in the boughs of an ancient maple.
Names written in the pale sky.
Names rising in the updraft amid buildings.
Names silent in stone
Or cried out behind a door.
Names blown over the earth and out to sea.
In the evening weakening light, the last swallows.
A boy on a lake lifts his oars.
A woman by a window puts a match to a candle,
And the names are outlined on the rose clouds
Vanacore and Wallace,
(let X stand, if it can, for the ones unfound)
Then Young and Ziminsky, the final jolt of Z.
Names etched on the head of a pin.
One name spanning a bridge, another undergoing a tunnel.
A blue name needled into the skin.
Names of citizens, workers, mothers and fathers,
The bright-eyed daughter, the quick son.
Alphabet of names in green rows in a field.
Names in the small tracks of birds.
Names lifted from a hat
Or balanced on the tip of the tongue.
Names wheeled into the dim warehouse of memory.
So many names, there is barely room on the walls of the heart. |
Author: David O'Flaherty
Wednesday, 11 September 2002 - 04:33 pm | | "Hello, babies. Welcome to Earth. It's hot in the summer and cold in the winter. It's round and wet and crowded. At the outside, babies, you've got about a hundred years here. There's only one rule that I know of, babies--'God damn it, you've got to be kind.'"
Eliot Rosewater
Many thanks to Warwick, Jim, Neal, Divia, and Chris for their thoughtful words.
Dave
(Apologies for the language) |
Author: Warwick Parminter
Wednesday, 11 September 2002 - 05:36 pm | | The day is nearly over here in the Midlands, England.I thought the powers that be did a wonderful job broadcasting the Memorial of 9-11. A beautiful, sad, but wonderful day, and hey-- no trouble to ruin it. I hope the survivors and relatives of the dead of all the nations who died on that day feel a little better, knowing how much they are thought of and admired.
I, like a lot of Limeys, have a special affection for America and the Yanks,------ Thank you Dave, your words were much appreciated.
Rick |
Author: Simon Owen
Wednesday, 11 September 2002 - 05:37 pm | | We musn't forget that the war that began on September 11th is still continuing , we still have to be vigilant.
The real enemy is the extremist faction of Islam that has risen up and found expression in oppressive religious laws , oppression of women and their rights , in the rise of fundamentalist beliefs and the desire for the destruction of America , Israel and their allies. This is a battle for hearts and minds within the Muslim religion which , since September 11th last year , now affects us all.
Whether we depose Saddam or not , this backward-looking faction is the real enemy and will have to be dealt with sooner or later. I hope we can find the ways to do so.
Meanwhile , may the victims of September 11th 2001 rest in peace.
Simon
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Author: Simon Owen
Wednesday, 11 September 2002 - 05:43 pm | | Thank you for posting the poem Chris , it was very moving.
Simon |
Author: judith stock
Wednesday, 11 September 2002 - 11:39 pm | | It's 11 PM right now, and today has been, at the very best, draining. We all have a loop in our heads of that second plane bisecting the South Tower, and will see it forever...even without the aid of TV. It's indelible and dreamlike (more like a nightmare, or a really bad Schwarzenegger movie...now THAT's redundant!) and I wish it would go away. We all know it won't. While bombing Afghanistan made a lot of people feel a lot better...revenge, and all that...AND it may have damaged Al Qaeda, bombing Hussein out of existence is NOT going to bring back one life lost on 11 September 2001, nor will it smoke Bin Laden; the only possible reason Howdy Doody Bush has for attacking Irag is to extend his high ratings in the polls. If the US attacks another country, ANY country, on the theory that that country MAY come after us, we are placing ourselves beyond the pale. I realise the temptation is great, and Hussein IS a pain the ass (can I say that, Ally?) and a dangerous man, not just to the US, but to the world, but to attack without more provocation than "we think..", "he might.." or "we have proof..." is not acceptable. The phrase "we have proof.." always reminds me that Joe McCarthy used it frequently in the 50's (NO, not the 1850's!), and we are still paying for THAT little episode. If we so treasure our reputation, might we not be better served by thinking before we bomb, and by remembering that we are, by attrition, the big kid on the block now and should behave ourselves with a little discretion, rather than being the bully on the block? I know we think we are right, but they do, too, and, as in all wars, both sides say that God is on their side. It appears that in this age of instant communication and conversations with posters all over the world, and the Concorde and the space shuttle, and cell phones, and cars that tell you when to turn right and when you are out of gas, we are still wearing leopard skins and dragging clubs and haven't really moved too far out of the caves.
NO, I don't know what the proper answer is, and don't pretend to; all I know is that the idea of this country bombing Irag makes me queasy, and I know that it is wrong.
Sorry to piss everyone off, and I don't want to argue. You have the right to disagree with me, and that's fine. I'm a grownup and I can take it. Mostly, I think I needed to vent....after today, I REALLY needed to vent..I thank you all for listening, and for not hiring a hit man to find me. I'm sure that idea has crossed the minds of more than one of you before this post, anyway.
Thanks to you all for the psychiatric session, and where do I send the check?
Judy |
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