Author: Howard Brown
Thursday, 28 November 2002 - 09:22 pm |        |
| Dear chris........Thanks for the above post ! I read that material after Eliza Cline posted it and left it thinking that the Webmaster needs to be put on a leash himself !! Looks like a whole lotta nothing..... |
Author: Dan Norder
Thursday, 28 November 2002 - 10:32 pm | |
The person who made that site did ramble on and on, I couldn't even force myself to read anymore after about the fourth page.
What I find particularly odd is that the ownership record of the domain name blackdahliasolution.org has been purposefully masked. That's pretty unusual. In fact, by normal rules that isn't even allowed. That domain name company has recently introduced this new proxy ownership service that I guess gets around this restriction somehow, for an extra fee.
This person took extra steps to hide his (or her) identity, which is always suspicious.
Dan |
Author: brad mcginnis
Friday, 29 November 2002 - 12:59 am | |
| Hi All, I plunged through the whole site. The writer is at best, obtuse. Its one of the hardest reads I ever made. I can't follow his logic, but he may have something, then again, Maybrick or Carroll might be the ripper. And O.J. may find the "real killers" on a golf course. And as everyone knows, the sky is pasley. Happy TG all, Brad. |
Author: Guy Hatton
Friday, 29 November 2002 - 05:26 am | |
Hmm. Only had time to give it a quick glance, but the thought 'Oh no, it's Noel O'Gara all over again' came to mind. (For those who don't know, O'Gara has spent more than twenty years trying to promote the idea that the Yorkshire Ripper was someone other than Peter Sutcliffe).
Cheers
Guy |
Author: Christopher T George
Friday, 29 November 2002 - 09:45 am | |
Hi, Guy:
Nice to hear from you. I think you are correct in comparing this new Dahlia site to Noel O'Gara's Yorkshire Ripper site. Another comparison, in terms of the site's value to the Dahlia case, might be to Janice Knowlton's recollections. She is the lady who wrote with Michael Newton, Daddy Was the Black Dahlia Killer, after she had regression therapy.
All the best
Chris |
Author: Kevin Braun
Friday, 29 November 2002 - 09:54 am | |
Hi Chris,
Hope you had a good Thanksgiving! Thanks for the input from Larry Harnisch. Was Mr.Harnish familiar with the name Ed Burns prior to getting mail from "the guy down in San Diego"? I think Dan makes a good point about the domain name.
I hope to be able to join the discussion on Tuesday, January 14 in the Jack the Ripper chat room.
Take care,
Kevin |
Author: Christopher T George
Friday, 29 November 2002 - 10:10 am | |
Hi, Kevin:
Yes I did have a good Thanksgiving and I hope you did too.
I did ask Larry specifically if the name "Ed Burns" crops up in LA police files, and evidently the name does not.
It is possible that the person behind the website found the name by going through what Larry terms the "crank mail sent to the police after the killing" finding letters that spell "Ed Burns," as they show on the site, and that they came up with the name that way without having a real person or suspect of the name of "Ed Burns" in mind.
Glad to know that you plan to make the January 14 chat on the Black Dahlia case, Kevin. It should be interesting!
All the best
Chris |
Author: Eliza Cline
Friday, 29 November 2002 - 09:14 pm | |
I don't know if the "unidentified man" mentioned on the site is named Ed Burns. I also agree that whoever wrote the material has very weird and irritating prose style. And the "cryptogram" stuff is ridiculous.
However, it is a fact that Short and this "unidentified man" were identified checking into a motel on January 12, 1947. This is confirmed by reports at the time from the Los Angeles Herald Express. I found the article on microfilm. The article shows a picture of the owner of the motel looking at the dime-store photo of the two. The owner is quoted as saying that they checked into his motel the night of the 12th and that the man was interested in whether the room had a bathtub. |
Author: Guy Hatton
Saturday, 30 November 2002 - 06:19 am | |
Chris -
So what's wrong with regression therapy, then? 
Actually, when I was younger and more impressionable, I briefly found all that stuff with the Bloxham 'past life' tapes fascinating. IIRC, it was our old friend Melvin Harris who was primarily responsible for exposing them as a sham.
I really must have another look at Noel's site (www.yorkshireripper.co.uk for the brave!). It was given a makeover a while ago, and included a 'what would you like to see on this site' survey. Keith Brannen and I both challenged him to reinstate the message boards, but I'll bet he hasn't, as the previous board was shut down when it became obvious that tampering with posts from critics of his position was insufficient to silence us.
All the Best
Guy |
Author: Christopher T George
Saturday, 30 November 2002 - 12:26 pm | |
Hi, Guy:
By the way, it has struck me that Melvin Harris is conspicuously silent over Patricia Cornwell's Walter Sickert theory. Or perhaps he is just quietly sitting back and letting the shallowness of Cornwell's arguments let themselves be shown for what they are?
All the best
Chris George |
Author: Christopher T George
Saturday, 30 November 2002 - 12:32 pm | |
Hi, Eliza:
Interesting about the story about the the "unidentified man" and Beth Short checking into a motel on January 12, 1947. I wonder if that is true? Although you say the story in the Los Angeles Herald Express shows a picture of the owner of the motel looking at the dime-store photo of the Beth Short with an unidentified man, this "ID" is on a par with a number of the supposed witness sightings in the Ripper case, and does not make it so. I wonder how the motel register was signed? If the register was signed, as it must have been, surely the "unidentified man" would have been unidentified no longer?
All the best
Chris George |
Author: Brian Barrett
Saturday, 30 November 2002 - 06:54 pm | |
| This is my first tie on the JTR board, hope it gets to you all. |
Author: Dan Norder
Saturday, 30 November 2002 - 07:05 pm | |
We all got the tie, but what are we supposed to do with it now? ;-)
Dan |
Author: Eliza Cline
Saturday, 30 November 2002 - 10:43 pm | |
Hi Chris,
I don't know whether the register was signed. The newspaper story was comprised of just a short interview with the couple who owned the motel. The man in the picture was not named. The paper showed a picture of the owners looking at the guy and Beth Short together.
I think it is possible that even though the mysterious unnamed webmaster is a bit wacky, this "unidentified" guy may be still be a legitimate suspect. |
Author: Vila
Sunday, 12 January 2003 - 10:56 am | |
Hello everyone,
I caught the tail end of the headline crawl on CNN at work a couple of nights ago and saw that someone who was concerned with the Black Dahlia case had just died at the age of 82. However, I never got to see the beginning of the headline, nor did I catch it on a repeat. Can someone please enlighten me as to the identity of the deceased?
Vila |
Author: Richard P. Dewar
Sunday, 12 January 2003 - 11:44 pm | |
Hi Vila,
Ralph Asdel died a few days ago - he was one of the detectives who worked on the case.
Regards,
Rich |
Author: Christopher T George
Monday, 13 January 2003 - 12:22 pm | |
Black Dahlia Chat Tuesday night, January 14, at 8 PM CST, 9 PM EST, 6 PM West Coast time. This is the anniversary of the eve of the discovery of the bisected body of Elizabeth Short at 39th and Norton in Hollywood on January 15, 1947. Who was the killer? Our chat will discuss all the angles of the case.
The chat will be moderated by myself, Christopher T. George, and we will have on hand Larry Harnisch, a Los Angeles Times reporter who is an acknowledged expert on the case. Larry wrote the 50th anniversary feature article on the case, and his book, Stairway to Heaven is in progress.
Larry's suspect is Dr. Walter Alonzo Bayley, who by 1946 resigned as Chief of Staff at Los Angeles County Hospital and Associate Professor of Surgery at USC due to a deteriorating mental condition. Until two months before the murder, Bayley lived at with his wife and step daughter at 3959 South Norton Avenue, a block from the crime scene. His shared medical offices were six blocks from the Biltmore Hotel where Beth Short was last seen alive. Bayley's adopted daughter, Barbara Lindgren, was a witness to the wedding of the victim's sister, Virginia Short, to Adrian West in February 1945 in Inglewood, California.
At age 67, Bayley would have been an older suspect which brings up parallels to several of the older suspects in the Ripper case, who also happen to be doctors (!), Drs. Francis Tumblety, Roslyn D'Onston (Robert D. Stephenson), and Sir William Gull. How does Larry answer criticisms that his suspect may have been too old or ill with the early stages of Alzheimer's disease? Or are there factors that make Bayley a viable suspect: his unbalanced state of mind, his knowledge of anatomy, and his possibly vindictive and anti-female nature (he separated from his wife before the murder and rewrote his will disinheriting her on December 22, 1947 before his death from bronchopneumonia on January 4, 1948).
See you in The JTR Chatroom!
http://www.geocities.com/grahf_chess
http://casebook.org/diversions/chat.html
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