Author: Mary's friend,
Sunday, 31 January 1999 - 04:44 am |        |
| I just do not see why, since the Ripper was within a mile of the vicintiy to where the murders were committed, that he just didn't take them back to his place, murder them, then after he had done what he wanted to do with them, (by carving out their innards,) then return them back to where he had found them. This would answer the question of why no other person heard anything. He probably stuffed something like a red handkerchief in their mouths, then took his hand and covered their nose.And if he was going to murder them anyway, he could have taken them back to his place, since he lived within the mile area of where the other victims lived, also, a very interesting point to discuss about tonight, is that the killer KNEW Eddowes and Kelly, because they both lived in Miller's court, and were neighbors? So if the killer was planning on killing Eddowes first, then he would have had to expose of Kelly second, so she would not go blabbing off to the sherrif of who he was. I am under the influence that he did not want anyone to give him away, perhaps he was a vampire, (If there were such things back then), and that would answer the question of why he would extract their intenstines. Please understand me here, I am not trying to be sick or disgusting or anything, I am just trying to bring to light what I know about this mystery. If you have any questions about this case, you may contact me at, eba1@juno.com. Thank you for your time in this matter. I am very interested in hearing what you have to say about this case. Thank you, good evening. |
Author: Peter Birchwood
Sunday, 31 January 1999 - 12:56 pm | |
I don't think that there is any evidence to show that the ripper lived within a mile of the victims although it is quite likely that he did. Certainly Kosminsky did. Do please forget about poor old Jim Maybrick and Middlesex street: this is a myth. Equally I don't think that Eddowes and Kelly both lived at Millers court and I'd be interested in where you got this.
Regards, Peter. |
Author: Julian
Sunday, 31 January 1999 - 09:31 pm | |
G'day Mary's friend and Peter.
Um, just a couple of things, we don't know who JtR was so we don't know where he lived. Sure the victims were all killed within about a square mile of each other but that doesn't mean to say the killer was living in the same area even though that would appear to be a reasonable assumption.
As to JtR taking the women back to his place it would have been far to dangerous. Firstly he would have been the last person seen with the women, circumstancial I know but then he'd have to explain all the bits and pieces of women in his house, not to mention the cleaning bill. Geez mate, getting all that blood out of the carpet would take a bit. But even after all that effort you've still gotta get the body to where the police will find it.
As to how Jack killed the women there's a beaut theory on that in here somewhere. It sorta goes like....He strangled them very quickly, placed them on the ground, probably knelt on their right hand side about half way up and slashed their throats from the left to the right then proceded to mutilate them.
As to why Jack extracted their intestines, um, I dunnno. I reckon that he was to get at the other bits though and the intestines were in the way. Kelly had hers taken right out, Eddowes had hers placed over her right shoulder as did Annie Chapmen. There is evidence to indicate that the same was attempted on Mary Nichols but for some reason she remained reasonably intact.
Catherine and Mary weren't heighbours. Catherine lived at Cooney lodging house on Flower and Dean while Mary lived at Millers court on Dorset St.
Anyway goodonya for joining the board, Ive only been here for a couple of weeks but have been made to feel really welcome by all the 'old hands'. Love to listen to some more of your ideas.
Jules
P.S. I think I've just worked it out that if you put your name in the email box after you've done your message, it comes up automatically when you post your message. You just click on the name at the top of the message. |
Author: Christopher T. George
Sunday, 31 January 1999 - 09:47 pm | |
Good evening, Jules:
Interesting little observation I noticed in your post, mate. That JtR was hauling out the intestines to get at other things, i.e., kidney, uterus, etc. So, as I interpret your meaning, the intestines were not important to him -- he laid them wherever he could to get them out of the way, and not in any necessarily ritualistic or methodical manner. Yes, good observation. Thanks.
Chris George |
Author: Julian
Monday, 01 February 1999 - 11:11 pm | |
G'day CG,
No mate I don't think the intestines held any special significance apart to be a hinderance. I guess from a perverted logical point of view there is so much of them they don't really rate as trophy status. That piece of intestine found beside Catherine (What is it with her?) I thought might have had some significance but I reckon, from looking at the body, that it was a piece that was cut through when Jack went into mutilation mode and he just put it there out of the way.
One thing you might be able to help me with CG is why didn't this bloke throw up all over the place while he was doing this? D'ya reckon it could have been because he was used to ripping bodies apart or do you think he just went into a blackout sort of thing?
Jules |
Author: Christopher T. George
Tuesday, 02 February 1999 - 12:39 am | |
Jules:
This man was a serial killer who relished slicing up women. He was not like you or me, who, thankfully, would be appalled at such work. Although a religious motive might be rejected, if Jack thought he had a "mission" to rid the world of such women, such a motive could be another reason why he did not feel repulsed by his own actions. By the way, I was pleased to see on another board that you rejected Joe Barnett as the probable killer of Mary Jane Kelly. I feel that someone who was her a lover (rather than a "client") could not have sliced her up in the way she was carved up.
Chris George
Chris George |
Author: Julian
Tuesday, 02 February 1999 - 04:52 pm | |
G'day CG, thanks for the post.
Yeah mate, I was thinking about the religious aspect the other night when I was trying to make head and tail of Yaz's third letter conumdrum. Personally I reckon Jack did write those letters, but I have been known to be wrong(only a couple of million times though) but even if it wasn't Jack, the person who did write them would so closely resemble Jack that we'd work out who Jack was from him.
Yeah, so in this letter (hope I'm not gunna bore you with this) the author fires up with "In the name of God hear me..." then prattles on about "....the women of Moab and Midian...." and "...the divine power that protects and helps me..." then for a last bit of religious furvore he attempts a recruitment program "...Do as I do and the light of glory shall shine upon you...".
Now if this guy isn't a few sandwiches short of a picnic he's walking a very thin line. Personally I think the former but I run into people like this every lunch time when I go for a walk around town. But anyway I'm going to write more on those letters on the appropriate billboard - keep ya posted. Ha, ha.
But back to your main point CG, yep you probably could hold your guts together if you went into some sort of religious blackout. I've (as we probably all have) seen people do some pretty weird stuff while in hypnotic trances and the like.
As for Barnett, no he didn't kill Kelly. When you're really pissed off with someone you kill them, you don't mutilate them and spread their body bits all around the room.
(I'm going to go throw up now)
Jules |
Author: Matthew Delahunty (Dela)
Tuesday, 02 February 1999 - 10:11 pm | |
Guys that are a few sandwiches short of a picnic! Yeah, Canberra's full of them isn't it, Jules?
Dela |
Author: Julian
Tuesday, 02 February 1999 - 11:21 pm | |
G'day Dela,
No arguments there mate. The country's run by 'em.
Jules |
Author: Pickles
Sunday, 28 February 1999 - 09:59 am | |
Would just like to point out that most of these if not all of these messages don't really have a hell of a lot to do with the FM on the wall of Kelly's room....
Just a thought.....
p.s Canberra is full of crazy's and yes unfortunaltely they ARE running the country! :) |
Author: Julian
Sunday, 28 February 1999 - 08:08 pm | |
G'day Pickles,
Yeah mate we did get a bit off track didn't we but you might notice that this happens on most of the boards, and besides some of these posts make pretty interesting/humorous reading. I've had quite a few good laughs at some of the posts.
As for the crazies in Canberra, When I used to work in town you couldn't go out for lunch without being accosted by a 6 foot Koala wanting money for equal mining rights or something, or those Church of Scientology predators. Fair dinkum, if I come across another one of those jokers who asks me if I've ever thought about committing suicide and for the small fee of several thousand dollars can help me slove my problems, I'm gunna deck him.
Anyway where were we? Ah yes the FM on Mary's wall. That was the radio station she was thinking of inventing before her demise.
Jules |
Author: Pickles
Monday, 01 March 1999 - 02:07 am | |
Ok Jules,
I must admit however, that when i was in canberra i was never accousted by giant koala, just giant platypusses!!! |
Author: Matthew Delahunty (Dela)
Monday, 01 March 1999 - 08:53 am | |
Just head on down to any local shopping centre, Pickles - in Canberra or any other capital city. You're bound to get accosted.
For those that have no idea what we Australians are talking about - no, it wasn't a Jurassic Park experiment gone wrong. There aren't any giant marsupials here. It's just a bunch of idealogical unemployed people who feel they are helping the world by dressing up as koalas and finding you in any shopping mall to ask you for money. They carry a big bucket around and annoy the hell out of shoppers who occasionally decide that there's one koala too many in this country (if you get my drift). I think Jules is about to become one of these genus of shoppers. Actually, Australia is overpopulated in many areas with koalas to such an extent that the cuddly little creatures (they're not really - I wouldn't advise trying to pet one) are eating away their habitats - people have tried to organise culls but that hasn't gone down well with the public - so they usually just relocate them or sterilise them
Just a little info about the land downunder.
Dela |
Author: Pickles
Wednesday, 03 March 1999 - 06:00 am | |
| Well done Dela!!! Had no idea there was so many Aussies interested in Jack the Ripper!!!! |
Author: Matthew Delahunty (Dela)
Wednesday, 03 March 1999 - 07:50 am | |
| You wouldn't know we were interested in the Ripper by looking at the last half a dozen messages, would you! |
Author: Pickles
Thursday, 04 March 1999 - 03:56 am | |
| Nope NEVER!!!LOL |
Author: Joseph
Saturday, 06 March 1999 - 09:39 pm | |
Hello Everyone,
Any ideas about that "FM" onthe wall.
Best Regards
Joseph |
Author: D. Radka
Sunday, 07 March 1999 - 01:11 am | |
Joseph,
Anything that's too good to be true, isn't.
David |
Author: Anonymous
Sunday, 07 March 1999 - 03:01 am | |
| D. Radka has solved the case? That is to good to be true! |
Author: Yazoo
Sunday, 07 March 1999 - 03:44 pm | |
Hello, Anonymous,
Take care.
Yaz |
