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The Goulston Street Graffito
Casebook Message Boards: Ripper Victims: Specific Victims:
Catherine Eddowes:
The Goulston Street Graffito
Author: graziano
Saturday, 30 March 2002 - 10:26 am |        | Daniel Halse said it was written in three lines because indents are the same line as the line above.
No experts are going to solve the case.
Only poets.
Is that what you are referring to ?
Bye. Graziano. |
Author: Robert Maloney
Saturday, 30 March 2002 - 06:37 pm | | Hi Graziano,
Or playwrights and mythologists. :-))
Rob |
Author: graziano
Sunday, 31 March 2002 - 03:53 pm | | | Well, yeap! |
Author: John Patrick
Friday, 05 April 2002 - 07:27 pm | | Just for fun, of course, I once approached the graffito from a statistical standpoint. I wrote a program that would look for the most significant word or words in the unlikely chance there may have been an anagram built around it. I used linear regression and performed a bin range frequency distribution decending sort. Before looking at the results I took a walk out into the darkness of night near the shore and stared towards the Northern Sky.
I poured myself a brandy and I wondered what life must have been like for my Scottish ancestors and how important trees were to the Celts and to the Druids in particular. I thought of such tribes as the Men of Oak, the Son of Yew and the Men of Rowan. I visualized spruce. I was trying to recall the process by which methanol is produced from the distillation of wood. I thought of ethanol intoxication and its effects of drowsiness and vertigo, thought of the half-tipsy man that Israel Schwartz told us about and how Liz Stride spun around and called out three times but not very loudly. I suddenly knew then why they had given her breath mints. And then, slowly, I too was starting to feel ripped from the apple-Jack I was drinking. I then began to think of Mary(Miriam) Angel and Nitric Acid and batteries and bombs.... |
Author: Robert Maloney
Friday, 05 April 2002 - 09:19 pm | | Hi John,
Are you suggesting some link between the Cults of the Three Marys and Druids? Actually, Aaron Kosminski was at one time a hairdresser, I believe, and D'Onston was involved with perfumes, so maybe that does involve the worship of Mary Magdalene in some way. Any thoughts on Serpent bloodlines? For example, do you think Mary Kelly was regarded as a kind of Mermaid, perhaps? Also, isn't it possible that if the word in the graffito was 'Juives' that it might refer to French Gypsy Goddesses and not have anything at all to do with Druids?
Rob |
Author: graziano
Saturday, 06 April 2002 - 01:27 am | | The problem lies with the linear regression.
You have better using a sinusoidal (don't look at the ortograph) approach.
Up down up down up down.........
Graziano. |
Author: Robert Maloney
Saturday, 06 April 2002 - 08:29 am | | Hi John and Graziano,
Graz, what I was asking the last time was whether or not the layout of the graffito made any difference to how you would interpret it. In other words, would a different graffito version dramatically alter the meaning using your method of interpretation? Or would the results stay the same?
All this coded alchemy talk got me thinking; which letter showed up in the graffito at a higher rate than would be expected by chance alone. The answer: letter J - the ratio was 9.452 times greater than expected. The second letter was - you guessed it, B.
So maybe the "key" to the graffito was with "Joe".
The "Joeys" are not the men that will be blamed for nothing. Joe Barnett, Joe H. Levy, Joe Fleming, Joe Isaacs....
Or could it be Jones? Keeping in the spirit that "spirits of wine" refers to methanol/ethanol,
I "asked" my program to produce a 100% fit anagram with no extra letters. It gave me this:
William J. and the ten Bagmen of the Three Tuns Hotel B. Row (William Jones - Butchers Row?)
Well, so much for anagrams I guess.
Rob |
Author: graziano
Saturday, 06 April 2002 - 03:28 pm | | Hello Robert,
yes, of course the layout is essential.
Take nevertheless in consideration that the first letter of it, the detached "T" ( of which we have already spoken) was, very likely, on the wall, a bit more to the left.
But even if necessary to the decryptation (?), the layout is not sufficient by himself.
Words are meant to be letters.
Letters are meant to be others.
Some are even meant not to be letters.
Certainly it was not imagined on the spot.
Sorry to be so cryptical myself Robert, but I am here speaking of another person's work and I can't do it, ethically (and maybe even legally) speaking.
It's all in derision Robert, like the murders.
But believe me, you are not so far away.
Salaam aleikum Robert.
Khatam Suleiman.
Graziano.
P.S.: You should interest yourself in the case of "Il Mostro di Firenze".
I have the impression you would be very useful to the case. |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Saturday, 06 April 2002 - 05:10 pm | | Dear John Patrick,
You've been drinking at that bloody magic cauldron again!
Rosey :-) |
Author: Robert Maloney
Sunday, 07 April 2002 - 06:21 pm | | Hi, Graziano:
I understand your situation completely and I look forward to the day you or your friend present your findings in full detail. No doubt they will be persuasive and interesting. Furthermore, I appreciate your comments regarding the case you mentioned and I hope to look into it. So for now, and until we speak again, I wish you the best of luck.
Robert Maloney |
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