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Annie Farmer
Casebook Message Boards: Ripper Victims: Ripper Victims:
Annie Farmer
Author: Vicki
Thursday, 26 September 2002 - 11:33 am |        | Brenda,
I'm commenting on the cattle boats from your article posted under Mary Kelly and Polly Nichols connection. This is pretty far off your topic, so I'm posting it under Annie Farmer.
There was an incident where a prostitute named Annie Farmer felt she had chanced upon the Ripper, and the police discounted her story. I'm wondering if she really did have an encounter with the Ripper. The man was said to have said "What a -- cow!" as he fled.
http://www.casebook.org/victims/afarmer.html
Then a cartoon seen on the following link was in a paper. Similarly, the "boss" cow is followed by the rest of the herd at milking time. By one paper's account Annie and the man bedded about 7 AM, that morning. Mary Kelly had just been buried a day or two before. Remember the blazing fire in her fireplace? The two men the comment was made to were two coke men. Coke men work around very hot fires. If the coke men walked that way every morning, the Ripper may have known it, so he cut Annie's throat about the time they would be coming his way. He knew he would flee in their direction, so he could make the comment.
Motive? If there was a conspiracy involving the prostitutes, Annie's encounter may have been a warning to the others that they would come to the same end as Mary Kelly and the others.
http://www.casebook.org/press_reports/fun/fun881121.html
"Follow my leader" cartoon. November 21, 1888 after the Annie Farmer incident.
One last thing about "boss." The last possible victim, Carrie Brown of New York, was the oldest of the victims. Could the "boss" being in America have something to do with the Ripper coming to America?
Link with milk cow information.
http://www2.cdepot.net/~bensays/milktime.html
The cartoon - According to "Jack the Ripper A-Z (Updated version)," Matthews, "provoked the resignation of Warren and Monro." "Warren's resignation was accepted and announced on November 9th, the day Mary Kelly had been found." (P.471)
Also, in one of the articles on the Carrie Brown murder, the New York police were bragging they would have done a better job solving the Ripper murders.
Vicki |
Author: Kevin Braun
Thursday, 26 September 2002 - 05:07 pm | | Vicki,
Michael Conlon, a former Casebook Message Boards contributor, has two noteworthy articles in the Dissertations selection on the Main Page that you may find interesting. See A Tale of Two Frenchys and The Ripper in America.
Mike you have been gone for too long. I would love to see you post a response!
Take care,
Kevin |
Author: Vicki
Friday, 27 September 2002 - 09:33 am | | Kevin,
The Annie Farmer case seems interesting and she fits into this small undeveloped theory I have. The theory doesn't reveal who the ripper was, but if we could figure out if the ripper was really in the US, then that may help.
The cattle boats traveled back and forth from America to England, or was it the other way around? It's like a cycle. Polly Nichols was murdered on August 31st, and Carrie Brown wasn't interred until August 30th for whatever reason.
Perhaps Carrie's interment and the day of Polly's murder complete a cycle of some sort, with the dates together like ends meeting, becoming a circle.
I have to think about this some more, but I would like to find some more articles on Annie, maybe purchase copies from the ripper magazines. I did read the articles you suggested. Thank you.
Vicki |
Author: Kevin Braun
Friday, 27 September 2002 - 10:05 am | | Vicki,
You are welcome. I do not think that Annie Farmer was a victim of JtR, but I like the hiding of the coins in the mouth part.
The police, however, were skeptical of her claims, as her injury was quite superficial and done with a blunt blade, quite unlike the Ripper's deep wounds with a sharp weapon. And once it was discovered that she was hiding coins in her mouth, it was concluded she had attempted to steal from the man and, once discovered, lightly brushed her own throat with a blunt knife and screamed "Murder!" at her client, accusing him of being Jack the Ripper. The man, understandably frightened due to the very salient possibility of lynching, left as quick as possible.
For more information on Carrie Brown and the cattle boats, do a Keyword Search (on your left) for Michael Conlon, selecting "Name of Authors" in the Look in box.
Take care,
Kevin |
Author: Vicki
Friday, 27 September 2002 - 11:43 pm | | Kevin,
You may be right. I have to read more on the incident especially with the coins.
But:
Here are a few more points concerning Carrie Browne's murder.
1. Carrie was murdered in Jersey City. Jersey is a breed of cow and was first brought to the US from the Island of Jersey in the British Isles around the 1850's. The Brown Swiss breed was brought to the US in 1869, one bull by the name of William Tell, and 7 female cows. All cow breed info can be found on this site: http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/cattle/
2. Carrie's last name was Browne, and if she is the oldest ripper victim (the boss), then she may have been chosen partly because of her name. In the ancestry of cows, the "Brown Swiss breed" is said to be the oldest. Also note the "Bronze Age." Isn't bronze brass or a form of brass? The key to the hotel room was said to be brass.
"Evidence indicates that a type of cattle apparently closely related to the Brown Swiss dairy cattle of today existed during the Bronze Age in the area now known as Switzerland."
http://www.cyberspaceag.com/beefcattlehistory.html
3. The room number was 31, which is the date of Polly Nichols murder. As I said in the previous post, the Ripper may have been connecting the room number to the date of Polly's murder.
4. Polly was murdered in Bucks Row. Compare the place with La Bruckman's name. It has the word Buck, man is Mary Ann Nichols initials, and the r is the first letter of Row, leaving ow, which is coincidently part of the word cow.
La is also the initials of "Leather Apron." There is, however, substantial evidence in the press that the public still believed that an unknown man nicknamed Leather Apron was the murderer. (Jack the Ripper A-Z, P. 241)
Vicki |
Author: Kevin Braun
Saturday, 28 September 2002 - 10:31 am | | Vicki,
Carrie Brown was murdered at the East River Hotel on the south-east corner of Water Street and Catherine Slip in New York City. Arbie La Bruckman, Frenchy #2 was arrested (police arrest No.120) in Jersey City.
The arrest was made on information published in The World, which was received from one of its New Jersey readers. This statement is as follows: There is a man named 'Frenchy' who answers the description of Frenchy No.2, and who was arrested in London about a year and a half ago in connection with the Whitechapel murders ... During the past two or three years this man has been crossing back and forth between this country and England on the freight steamers that carry cattle ... the sailors on the cattle ships tell horrible stories of his cruelty to the dumb brutes in his care. When one of these animals would break a leg or receive some injury that necessitated its slaughter, 'Frenchy', they say, would take apparent delight in carving it up alive while the sailors looked on. No one dared oppose him, his temper was so bad. When he was arrested on suspicion that he was 'Jack The Ripper' he knocked down the officer who tackled him and made things very lively for half a dozen men before they got him under control. The World, April 30,1891
Kevin |
Author: Vicki
Saturday, 28 September 2002 - 10:35 am | | Kevin,
Thank you for the correction. After I posted I had second thoughts about rechecking.
Vicki |
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