Author: Brenda L. Conklin
Saturday, 31 August 2002 - 10:55 pm |        |
| On this night 114 years ago, Polly Nichols was killed....this is a tribute to Polly and I hope we can memoralize each victim as autumn is upon us once again. If I could speak to Polly, I'd just like to say God Bless, Polly, and we are still trying to figure it out, its been a long time but don't give up on us yet. |
Author: Neal Shelden
Sunday, 01 September 2002 - 07:24 am | |
 for Polly, a girl with a taste for adventure..
If only you'd listened to your dad! |
Author: Andy & Sue Parlour
Sunday, 01 September 2002 - 02:54 pm | |
Hello All,
Regarding the tributes to Mary Ann 'Polly' Nicholls. My father once said to me that he sometimes wondered, whether his mother, who was also named Mary Ann 'Polly' Nicholls, was named in defferance to the 'first' victim, being in the family so to speak.
Thanks anyway.
A&S. |
Author: Andy & Sue Parlour
Sunday, 01 September 2002 - 02:57 pm | |
Hello Brenda & Neal,
Regarding the tributes to Mary Ann 'Polly' Nicholls. My father once said to me that he sometimes wondered, whether his mother, who was also named Mary Ann 'Polly' Nicholls, was named in defferance to the 'first' victim, being in the family so to speak.
Thanks anyway.
A&S. |
Author: Christopher T George
Monday, 02 September 2002 - 02:57 am | |
Hi, Andy & Sue:
Andy, certainly the naming of your grandmother Mary Ann 'Polly' Nicholls with the same name, Mary Ann 'Polly' Nicholls, as Jack's first canonical murder victim may have been in deference to the first Ripper victim. However, you will well know from your own genealogical research that many of the names in a family reoccur from generation to generation, so in that sense the same name should be no surprise.
I was rather surprised when I recently visited the Find-a-Grave site and saw all the tributes for Annie Chapman. I know someone has questioned the taste of these tributes on that site to which Neal Sheldon and Annie's descendents have contributed her wedding photograph. It struck me, however, that the written tributes from round the world are rather touching. They all appear to be sincere tributes to a lady whose life was prematurely ended, which should happen to no one.
I might also mention that when Casebook Productions began its chat room (now alas defunct), one of the things we did was have a minute's silence for the victims on the anniversaries of their deaths, with participants just typing a dot to mark the time. This made each time for a rather poignant and memorable occasion to remember the sacrificed lives of these ladies. I will speak to Tim Mosely about doing the same for the upcoming victim anniversaries in the current "Casebook: Jack the Ripper" chat room. While we have missed the anniversary of Polly's death, the other victim anniversaries are still coming up this year.
All the best
Chris |
Author: Neal Shelden
Monday, 02 September 2002 - 06:56 am | |
Hi Andy & Sue,
After seeing the photos of William Nichols and Edward John Nichols in your book, I'd often wondered whether you had traced the direct descendants of Mary Ann Nichols (the JTR victim).
I know that Edward John and his family was living in Bexley at the time of the 1901 census. Did your family keep in touch with them or perhaps the descendants of his brothers Percy and Henry, or sisters Alice and Eliza?
The main reason for why I'm enquiring is because I decided not to trace down Mary Ann's family,
because I thought that after you had found the photo's of William and Edward that you had probably covered that ground?
Hi Chris,
I hadn't been aware that anyone had questioned the taste of the Find-a-grave site because like yourself I saw nothing that I considered to be in bad taste.
I've also put short messages on for the other victims (despite the fact that Liz Stride is in the wrong cemetery), and famous people that I like such as Groucho Marx, Karen Carpenter, Bram Stoker etc.
I just thought that the site was a clever idea.
All the best.
Neal. |
Author: Walter Timothy Mosley
Monday, 02 September 2002 - 10:19 am | |
Hello, Chris:
We can certainly hold an 'official' moment of silence for each of the victims in the upcoming chats; already there are often many 'unofficial' periods of silence as chatters compose themselves in response to the oft-brilliant arguments. See more below.
Hello, Neal:
I'm with you - I find nothing tasteless on that site in that regard. I too was surprised to find that you had posted Annie's wedding photo, but it is nice to give the name a face. BTW, yours truly is responsible for the presence of that particular 'posthumous reunion', as I was finally successful in badgering Jim Tipton into it. That, and the one for 'Robin Hood' as well.
Best to all,
WTM |
Author: Christopher T George
Monday, 02 September 2002 - 10:45 am | |
Hi, Neal and Tim:
Tim, glad you are amenable to holding a minute's silence during upcoming chats for the victims. When I think about it, this might be more feasible on the regular chat nights, either Tuesday or Thursday, whichever is nearest to the anniversary. Possibly then the Tuesday, September 10 chat might be good for a remembrance of Annie Chapman, coming closest to her September 8 date of death, while the Tuesday, October 1 chat could cover the anniversary of the Double Event, September 30, the day before. MJK's anniversary, November 9, is a Saturday this year, so could either be marked at the Thursday chat, on November 7, or at the Tuesday chat, November 12. Let me know your thoughts, Tim.
Neal, I could have sworn someone on these message boards had said something about disliking the tributes on Find-A-Grave site, but on doing a search I failed to find the posting. It could have been a message in the Pub thread that times out. I did want to make the point that while the tributes to the victims are one thing, there are the resting places of murderers and other shady characters listed on Find-A-Grave. Among those listed are Ripper suspects James Maybrick and Francis Tumblety, the feedback for both being, as you might expect, ranging from sympathy for their wrongfully being accused to excoriation and some admiration. Thus the tastefulness of some of the "tributes" for those gentlemen might be questioned more than those for the Ripper victims.
All the best
Chris |
Author: David O'Flaherty
Monday, 02 September 2002 - 11:52 am | |
Not sure where to post this, but some of you may find it of interest.
Mourning in the Victorian era
Best,
Dave |
Author: Neal Shelden
Sunday, 08 September 2002 - 06:08 pm | |
| for Annie who died 114 years ago today.. |
Author: Brenda L. Conklin
Sunday, 08 September 2002 - 09:51 pm | |
| Neal you remembered!!!! Well I did too...If I could speak to Annie I would tell that I feel like I "know" her even better than the other victims, thanks to Neal Shelden's efforts, as a matter of fact. I am so sorry that she had to live the life that she lived and to die the terrible death that she died. We, the followers of the case, will never forget. |
Author: Christopher T George
Monday, 09 September 2002 - 03:58 pm | |
For Annie
Better late than never, dear. |
Author: Brenda L. Conklin
Monday, 30 September 2002 - 07:37 am | |
We cannot forget today is the anniversary of the unfortunate deaths of Catherine Eddowes and Liz Stride (depending on whom you believe). It has been 3 long weeks since the anniversary of the last murder, long enough for Jack to get his confidence back and strike again. How did Jack spend his day back then? Planning? Did he know who and why or was it truly random?
Kate - we would give anything to know what was on your mind that night. Why did you go to Mitre Square? Had you planned to meet someone? Why did you get so drunk that night? Was it because of your journey to your daughter's house, only to find she had moved without a trace? I would imagine you felt hurt and betrayed over that. You and John Kelly were truly in dire straits at the time of your death. Were you just out trying to get a little money to bring home to John? Well thanks to your death, and the man at whose hand you died, plenty of attention was brought to the plight of the poor in London. Possibly things became better for some of the people there after your death.
Liz - assuming you were NOT a Ripper victim, you were the most unlucky woman in London that night. Your death is the most controversial of all. We hope to solve the mystery one day.
RIP both of you! |
Author: Neal Shelden
Monday, 30 September 2002 - 02:54 pm | |
For Liz, far from home 
And for Kate, I'm close to finding your relatives chick. Perhaps if you could give me a little help???
Almost there, but still looking  |
Author: Neal Shelden
Saturday, 09 November 2002 - 05:43 am | |
| For Mary Jane, in hopes that oneday we will find out the true life history of the woman that died at Millers Court? |
Author: Lisa Jane Turner
Saturday, 09 November 2002 - 07:12 pm | |
| Is this something you are especially researching at the moment Neal? Mary Kelly that is? |
Author: judith stock
Saturday, 09 November 2002 - 08:28 pm | |
Lisa, today is the anniversary of Mary Jane Kelly's death, 114 years ago.
J |
Author: Neal Shelden
Sunday, 10 November 2002 - 10:21 am | |
Hi Lisa,
I think like every other researcher on the case, it's difficult to know where to start with MJK. I've never found any information that backs up her stories that she told about her life before she arrived in London.
In my experience as a researcher the explanation could be that she was either not called Mary Jane Kelly, or that her story about living in Wales was a complete fiction?
All the best
Neal |
