Author: Caroline Morris
Friday, 28 June 2002 - 06:55 am |        |
Hi Tom, Garry, Harry and All,
Well, if the L L meant 'grass', perhaps Kate had been planning to lead Jack into the square at a time when she thought a copper would be patrolling, so she could hand him over and claim some reward money - only when they arrived the copper she was hoping to find was having a crafty cuppa and was nowhere to be seen...and Jack was able to claim poor Kate instead.
What a carve-up! 
Love,
Caz |
Author: David Radka
Friday, 28 June 2002 - 10:00 am | |
Wrong, wrong, wrong.
David |
Author: Robert Maloney
Friday, 28 June 2002 - 10:30 am | |
Hello All,
Any lightning bolts on her face?
Multiple choice quiz: The marks were:
(a) A Chevron (b) Symbol for 'sent up to the stars' (c)Wings (d) Lambda - eleventh letter of the Greek alphabet (Druitt/Macnaghten)
(e) none of the above
Rob |
Author: Caroline Morris
Friday, 28 June 2002 - 10:35 am | |
Hi David,
I only sing Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps - three times, but not very loudly. 
Shall we dance? 
Love,
Caz |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Friday, 28 June 2002 - 12:24 pm | |
Dear Robert....The face that launched a thousand quips?
Rosey :-) |
Author: Ivor Edwards
Friday, 28 June 2002 - 02:53 pm | |
Harry, very interested in your comments about the symbols and eyes. I have always held the opinion that in this series of murders several keys exist which could unlock the case. One such key relates to the symbols placed on the cheeks and eyes. Not enough research has been undertaken into this aspect of the case. The marks could well be connected to the motive ( which I believe to be the case ) The message was in symbols so this could mean:
1. The killer left a message for all to see but which only a few would understand ?
2. It could be just another part of the ritual murder, part of the process so to speak.
3. It could have been done to leave a false trail.
No3. I rule out
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Author: Robert Maloney
Friday, 28 June 2002 - 09:00 pm | |
Dear Rosey,
How about 21 quips? The tip of a spade(guinea) for our "Black Jack"? :-)
Rob |
Author: Harry Mann
Saturday, 29 June 2002 - 04:40 am | |
Ivor,
Just another small point.The eyes are the only organ in the human body which remain the same size throughout life.They do not grow larger as other organs do.
Isn't it a fact that none of the victims' eyes were cut or damaged?. |
Author: Peter Wood
Saturday, 29 June 2002 - 08:23 am | |
Hi everyone
Mother has been doing a little more research, but all she has to go on is the pencil sketch of Eddowes' face in "The Final Chapter", so apart from these - /\ /\ - she can't be certain of what is and what is not there.
She thinks she can see the beginning of a 'J' halfway down Kate's face, but I will have to see if I can dig out a good enough photograph of Eddowes for her to make her readings from.
Tom - /\ was definitely used as shorthand for Rip from the 1840's onwards. However, as Ally has pointed out, it can be pronounced Rip, Rape, Rope or Rap - depending on where the strokes land in relation to the lines on the paper.
And therein lies the problem with what mother is now looking for - there are no lines (of the horizontal, A4 paper type) on Eddowes' face - so anything she does "see" is subject to individual interpretation and a great deal of arguing from you lot.
I still think it's a coincidence too far, though.
Here's another one: Gary Numan releases a new single on Monday. What's it called? You guessed it - 'Rip'.
Cheers big ears
Peter. |
Author: Ally
Saturday, 29 June 2002 - 09:23 am | |
Peter,
Yeah you wish there was a J. And there you are standing over mother's shoulder....james maybrick, james maybrick
Ally |
Author: Ivor Edwards
Saturday, 29 June 2002 - 12:47 pm | |
| Harry, That is correct about the eyes. |
Author: Peter Wood
Saturday, 29 June 2002 - 01:41 pm | |
| Na na na, no no no Ally! 'J' for Jack!!! |
Author: Tom Wescott
Sunday, 30 June 2002 - 12:03 am | |
Hello all,
Harry's point about the purpose of the arrows to be to draw our attention to something, and then relating it to the graffito is a good point and worthy of consideration. As I mentioned in a post on another thread some time ago, arrows such as those were commonly used in letters when a word was accidentally left out. The writer would write the word above or below the line and use the arrows to draw attention to where it should go.
We must also consider the nicks on the eyelids.
Peter,
Thank you for clarifying that the arrows meant 'rip' as far back as 1840. I'm curious as to your source, though. If any of us wanted to cite our source on this point we couldn't very well put 'Peter's mum'.
Yours truly,
Tom Wescott |
Author: Peter Wood
Sunday, 30 June 2002 - 09:16 am | |
Tom
Just type "Isaac Pittman" or "Shorthand" into your search engine and see what you come up with.
Other than that, it is perfectly reasonable for you to quote my mother on this one.
Peter. |
Author: Christopher T George
Sunday, 30 June 2002 - 10:18 am | |
Hi, Peter and Tom:
The search will work even better if one types into the search engine Sir Isaac Pitman with one "tee"! Ahem, I am an editor after all. 
All the best
Chris |
Author: Peter Wood
Sunday, 30 June 2002 - 02:02 pm | |
| Ahem, quite. |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Sunday, 30 June 2002 - 02:43 pm | |
Could just as well be two "7"s.
Rosey O'Ryan :-) |
Author: Tom Wescott
Monday, 01 July 2002 - 12:23 am | |
Peter (and Chris),
Thanks for the tip. Although I'm perfectly willing to accept your mother's word, others may not be. Actually, I think it would be funny to publish a very complex article and then present as the only source 'Peter's mum' and see what kind of response you get. Ha ha. What do you say, Chris?
Yours truly,
Tom Wescott |
Author: Peter Wood
Monday, 01 July 2002 - 07:31 pm | |
Mary Eileen Wood. She has a knack for these sort of things.
Whatever the marks on Eddowes' face portray, it is only my mother in over a hundred years of research who has suggested it could be shorthand for Rip.
That from a woman who only has the use of one eye.
As long as it makes you think, then that's cool. |
Author: ERIC KLINE
Tuesday, 16 July 2002 - 12:29 pm | |
| can anyone tell me if the morgue photos of eddowes standing against the wall are on the site ????? thanks ERIC |
Author: Christopher-Michael DiGrazia
Tuesday, 16 July 2002 - 01:00 pm | |
Eric -
If by "on the site" you mean in Mitre Square, then no. The Eddowes City Police photographs were taken at the Golden Lane Mortuary the morning of (I believe) October 1. One (Eddowes in the mortuary shell) was taken before her post-mortem, and the others taken after it, as can be seen from the stitching.
If by "on the site" you mean this website, then I'm sure they are, somewhere. |
Author: Vicki
Wednesday, 18 September 2002 - 09:55 pm | |
Peter and all,
Graziano said to take the eyes into consideration because the /\ /\ cuts are pointing to them.(paraphrased) I agree.
Eye and I are homophonic; they sound the same. So the "i" in rip could come from the homophone of "eye." As Tom said, the symbols could be insert marks, which could mean, "insert" i's into the shorthand. Also, there are two, which may be an inference to the "double event."
Vicki |
