|
 |
 |
|
|
|
** This is an archived, static copy of the Casebook messages boards dating from 1998 to 2003. These threads cannot be replied to here. If you want to participate in our current forums please go to https://forum.casebook.org **
The fire in Kelly's room.
Casebook Message Boards: Ripper Victims: Specific Victims:
Mary Jane Kelly:
The fire in Kelly's room.
Author: Jon
Wednesday, 22 August 2001 - 05:45 pm |        | Fat spits Ed everywhere?
Fat spitsed everywhere?
Fat spit sed everywhere?
(Is this another Goulstone type anagram?) |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Wednesday, 22 August 2001 - 08:51 pm | | Dear Jon,
A free translation of Ed's sawn-off outburst... residue of fat would have been found about the fireplace if Jack had himself an impromptu BarBQ.
D. Radka suggests the accelerant may have been
alcohol already present in Mary's room...or even
brought there to bribe Mary to open the door for him. Rum? Meths? Chloroform?
Maybe the question of the accelerant is secondary to what was burnt in the firegrate, and why.
Ed's explanation regarding the fierceness of the fire seems a reasonable scenario until it is tested and seen to fall short of the requisite
temperature necessary to melt a late 19th century kettle spout...if we knew what type of kettle it was.
Rosey :-) |
Author: E Carter
Thursday, 23 August 2001 - 04:26 am | | | Jon, fat spits! And have you not heard of Ed-ever-where? It is both light and comfortable. ED |
Author: R Court
Monday, 27 August 2001 - 05:00 am | | Hi all,
As Rosey writes, if we knew what sort of kettle...
The fat spits bits (sorry) disolve (also sorry) if we accept the news reports that claim nothing (i.e. no tissue or remains of such) was found in the grate. We may assume that even if the grate were clean of such remains, a giant puddle of (burnt) fat, or even small drops, would have been noticed were they around the grate and not in it.
The accelerant that Jack would have had to use would have IMHO something like oil to cause the fire that seems to have raged. Booze, while burning nicely (and expensively) if proof 100+, evaporates very quickly when warmed, leaving lots of nasty H2O and creating a possible local explosive mix enough to have blasted Jack over the moon (according to amount etc.)
Of course, Jack could have been a chemist and prepared some mix for such occaisions, although the basic question as to how he might have known such a substance would be required remains unanswered.
Regards
Bob |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Monday, 27 August 2001 - 01:09 pm | | Dear Bob,
Oil, as in lamp oil? Ed's suggestion of oil-cloth or was it seal-skin (?) together with another chemical (chloroform), is a likely combination for the intense heat generated. But we must have some further input on this question...a question of chemistry?
Copper rivets or a solder joined the spout to the body of the kettle...what ever the overall metal construction.
Again, its just possible that the kettle was a recepticle for oil...a taper/wick inserted into the spout. When lit it would provide sufficient
light for Jack to work by without alerting outsiders that Mary was still awake...a sure invitation to late visitors.
Was the damaged kettle found on the firegrate?
Food for thought Bob.
Rosey :-) |
Author: R Court
Monday, 27 August 2001 - 01:50 pm | | Hi Rosey,
Yep. Oil as in oil-lamp, being readily available everywhere and, if Jack had in mind to mutilate in the light of a dancing fire made out of old clothes, a needy prop. Exactly where the kettle was found is, I believe, not proven or even if it was this fire that caused the falling off of the spout.
If the kettle had been used as you describe, however, then the intense heat would have done more than just illuminate the room and let the spout melt off. There would have been a roaring conflagration that would have let the sky show red over half the city and have burnt Kelly, and if he wasn't fast enough Jack, to a crisp. In short, it would have not only have melted the spout off the kettle, but the lead off the roof.
That this didn't occur tends to reduce acceptance of the theory. Of course, Jack could have been clever enough to have carefully selected the amount of oil used to prevent this, but I feel that the suggestion that Jack must have spent hours before the crime with slide-rule and black-board, working out exact values to save his skin, while not that of the victim, calls for rather more investigation.
If he needed light, why didn't he use the candle found in the room? If he needed to have an accelerant he could have used the candle for that, too. He did neither.
Hmmm.....
Bob  |
Author: R.J.P.
Tuesday, 28 August 2001 - 07:15 am | | | Rosie--Have you considered the possibility that Jack himself was the 'impromptu BarBQ'?... You see, Old Carrotty Moustache might have fallen prey to the horrors of spontaneous human combustion like the drunkard Krook in Bleak House. All that remained was the rim of his bonnett and maybe the coppers were in reality poking through the grate for a bit of his bones... It all fits really; the tea pot melted and no more murders.... |
Author: Jon
Tuesday, 28 August 2001 - 10:57 am | | Most obliging of him to jump in the fireplace first, dont you think?
Or, was he trying to escape up the chimney?
Leaving it wide open for any Santa Clause = Jack the Ripper, type theories.
(having a slow day) |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Tuesday, 28 August 2001 - 01:30 pm | | Dear R.J.P & Jon,
Jumpin' Jack... Flash! |
Author: graziano
Tuesday, 28 August 2001 - 02:05 pm | | Hello Jon,
For waiting Santa Clause......or for preparing Hanukkah ?
Shalom. Graziano. |
|
|
|
|
