Author: Diana
Monday, 19 June 2000 - 09:14 am |        |
| Could this controversy be solved by using the septum of the nose as the basis for the center line? I believe we agreed that it was the middle of what we had thought was an E. |
Author: David M. Radka
Monday, 19 June 2000 - 11:16 am | |
Simon,
Stare with all your might at the wooden panel above and just to the left of the infamous "F.M.".
Can't you see it? Look there, it's always been there for those who know how to look for it. Change the light, take the picture outside, use your magnifying glass, cross your eyes, and run it through the most expensive software money can buy. See it? It's right there on Mary Jane's wall.
Don't you see it emerging, out of the blood and gore, out of the filth and poverty of McCarthy's deplorable rents, out of the fog of the peat-tinted London sky...the letters "A.R.".
David |
Author: Jill De Schrijver
Monday, 19 June 2000 - 11:41 am | |
Diana,
Of course you are right. But I wanted to argue, since Simon doubted this 'E' to be the base of the nose and thought it to be on the left cheeck, the relatively correctness (besides maybe one inch off at the chin) of the center line independent from the nose.
Have a nice sunny day like me,
Jill |
Author: Caroline Anne Morris
Monday, 19 June 2000 - 12:29 pm | |
Hi David,
"All Responsible"?
I'd go along with that.
Looking forward to reading your published work.
Lots of love as ever,
Caz
PS to Jill, Diana, Janice, Simon, everyone,
wishing you all a belter of a sunny day, like me. :-) |
Author: Simon Owen
Monday, 19 June 2000 - 03:06 pm | |
" Goddamn right , its a beautiful day ! " ( Mr E's Beautiful Blues by the excellent Eels ! )
Its lovely and sunny , I'm wearing my shorts and I've finished my art course ! Hooray !
Jill , my portraiture is not so good but I will have a go at Mary Kelly soon when I get my scanner set up , and I will put my portrait of Liz Stride up as well.
David , I have seen the ' A.R. ' but my contention is it is part of ' MARY ' written on the wall.
Caz , ' All responsible ' ? What ! Have you been reading that ' Orient Express ' book ?
Have fun ,
Simon |
Author: Leanne Perry
Monday, 19 June 2000 - 05:56 pm | |
G'day David,
The letters 'A.R.' that you see, could they be part of the 'Hart', that Julian and I see?
Are they lower case letters?
Leanne! |
Author: Leanne Perry
Monday, 19 June 2000 - 06:08 pm | |
G'day,
To see this 'Hart', Roger O'Donnell posted it for me on the 'Kelly Crime Scene Photographs' board on 'Thursday June the 15th 2000, at 1:56p.m.'
Leanne! |
Author: Michael Lyden
Monday, 19 June 2000 - 08:38 pm | |
To David M.Radka.
David ,if you are going to mock my earlier comments then at least have the decency to address me directly.The point I was actually trying to make was that if you stare hard enough at one area of
the MJK picture and take a blood stain here,a scratch on the wall there,you could probably come up alot of nice words[clues?ha ha].
I actually find this "Hunt the hidden word buisiness" all a bit of a laugh and frankly non productive.But don't let me stop others.Besides I am a bit of a new boy to these boards and the last thing I want is to get all confrontational!
Mick Lyden. |
Author: David M. Radka
Monday, 19 June 2000 - 10:32 pm | |
Michael,
I am absolutely not mocking your earlier comments, and regret any inconvenience to you on these boards. I was addressing Simon entirely with my "A.R." taunt, which was basically a private little joke between he and I, that others may not understand.
I hope everything has now been made All Right.
David |
Author: Leanne Perry
Tuesday, 20 June 2000 - 06:54 am | |
G'day Fellas,
The photograph of Kelly on the bed, is the only one that exists, of a victim at the scene of the crime. I dont think there's anything wrong with with this 'Hunt the Hidden word' thing.
Leanne! |
Author: Michael Lyden
Wednesday, 21 June 2000 - 08:03 pm | |
Hello,
Firstly,thank you David for your reply it's much appreciated.
Leanne, I'm sure you are aware that there are two MJK photographs,and yes I agree we should make the most of them and try to glean as much information as we possibly can from them.
As I explained before,I shant stand in anyones way if they want to hunt for hidden words.but I am concentrating my efforts into studying the facial area for now.Incidentally may I recomend Pamela Balls book, for its excellent reproduction of the large Kelly photo'.I own fifteen "Ripper" books and this is by far the clearest example I have seen yet.I could certainly see details that didn't come through in other books.
Good luck with the hunting,
Mick Lyden. |
Author: R.J. Palmer
Wednesday, 21 June 2000 - 08:18 pm | |
Into the old pond
A frog splashes.
Then, silence.
from 'Zen and the Art of Ripperology' |
Author: Leanne Perry
Wednesday, 21 June 2000 - 09:07 pm | |
G'day Mick,
I've seen the large photo in Pamela Ball's book. I don't own a copy but Julian Rosenthal does, and it was this photo that he 'blew up' and spotted the 'Hart' word.
With today's advances in photography etc, we just might spot something that the police missed in 1888!
Leanne! |
Author: Michael Lyden
Thursday, 22 June 2000 - 07:52 pm | |
Hello,
In an earlier post I stated that I thought it was highly unlikely that Jack had carved the word "FIVE" into Mary Kellys face.
Here is my reason.The area in question is made up of lumpy,bloody,randomly mutilated flesh-hardly the best medium on which to convey a message!
Of course when Jack carved the two inverted vees into Eddowes' cheeks[probably saying look what i've done to her eyes]he used untouched flesh.Therfore it is my view that if Jack was going to carve a message,then he would have chosen undamaged skin.
Mick Lyden. |
Author: Ashling
Friday, 23 June 2000 - 02:34 am | |
MICHAEL: Excellent reasoning!
Janice |
Author: Julian Rosenthal
Saturday, 24 June 2000 - 07:44 am | |
The 'M' that was carved into Catharine's face was meant to spell the initials of McNaughten, who was the chief inspector at the time of the murders and with Monro, helped cover up the identity of the killer!
Jules |
Author: David M. Radka
Saturday, 24 June 2000 - 10:30 am | |
Jules,
Melville McNaghten had not yet been hired by the Met when Eddowes was kiled.
David |
Author: Jon Smyth
Saturday, 24 June 2000 - 02:47 pm | |
Then David, we are obviously dealing with prophetic insciptions.
Jon
:-) |
Author: David M. Radka
Saturday, 24 June 2000 - 06:16 pm | |
I know what all the inscriptions of the case mean.
Soup to nuts. And what is that? A.R.
David |
Author: Roger O'Donnell
Sunday, 25 June 2000 - 06:49 am | |
All,
Posted a new picture in MJK Crime scene photos. It incorporates Thomas Ind's and David Radka's observations (I use full names here only to ensure the credit goes where it's due).
Roger
PS, Jill, the facial perspective stuff is great :)
R |
