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Alice McKenzie
Casebook Message Boards: Ripper Victims: Specific Victims:
Alice McKenzie
Author: Stephen P. Ryder
Saturday, 14 November 1998 - 07:11 pm |        | | Alice McKenzie |
Author: A.M.P.
Monday, 27 September 1999 - 11:44 pm | | Greetings All,
The following quote was given me recently, taken from MEPO 3/140 f. 278 on the Alice MacKenzie murder:-
"Referring to the attached I beg to report having seen the blind boy George Dixon at 29 Star Street Commercial Road. He says he went with Mrs McKenzie into a public-house near the Cambridge Music Hall at about 10 minutes past 7 on Tuesday evening 16th...".
I believe this pub to have been called the Royal Cambridge. Firstly, is anybody able to confirm or deny that, and secondly, does anybody have its address please? The Royal Cambridge Hall of Varieties was at 136 Commercial Street, and I assume that the pub (probably of the 'beer-shop' type) must have been in the vicinity.
Many thanks. |
Author: Jill De Schrijver
Monday, 22 May 2000 - 08:31 am | | | \image {McKenzies wounds} |
Author: Jill De Schrijver
Monday, 22 May 2000 - 08:33 am | |  |
Author: NA
Sunday, 10 November 2002 - 05:18 pm | | | What was her order? (Or number I suppose, was she his fourth or sixth, etc.) |
Author: Brian Schoeneman
Sunday, 10 November 2002 - 06:17 pm | | NA,
Depends on how many of the others you consider to be real Ripper victims. She could be number 15 or she could be 6 if you only count her and the canonical ones. It's tough to make that determination. Check them "Timeline" section for more info.
B |
Author: Jack Traisson
Saturday, 04 January 2003 - 01:37 am | | Can anyone help?
I was doing a little reading of the Casebook newspapers and found this bit from the Alice McKenzie inquest:
"The jury, after a short deliberation, returned a verdict of "Wilful murder against some person or persons unknown," and added a rider endorsing the remarks of the Coroner, and requesting him to forward a recommendation to the County Council, and the Whitechapel District Board of Works to open up Castle-alley to the Whitechapel High-street as a thoroughfare."
Was anything done about this suggestion?
For a detailed description of the layout of Castle Alley read the East End News, Friday, July 19, 1889.
Cheers, |
Author: The Viper
Saturday, 04 January 2003 - 07:21 pm | | Jack,
The best way to go about checking this would be though the local press of the time, and in particular the reports they carried of the Whitechapel Board of Works meetings. One of the jurymen at the inquest making that recommendation was a Mr. Karamelli, who also served on the Board of Works. With a direct link between the two it would be surprising if the matter was not raised promptly at BoW level. Will try to remember to check the papers some time for you.
According to The Times, the opening to Castle Alley... "is entered by a passage, not more than a yard in width, between Nos. 124 and 125 Whitechapel-road [sic], is entirely shut off from view of the main road, and would hardly be observed by the ordinary passer-by.
The Goad Plan (undated but fairly contemporary) in Winston Ramsey's East End Then and Now shows the building to the right (east) of Castle Alley's entrance as "ruins". Whilst this suggests that it was knocked down at some point, the point of access to the alley doesn't appear to have been widened on that plan.
Regards, V. |
Author: Jack Traisson
Monday, 06 January 2003 - 04:57 am | | Viper,
Thanks for the advice, and the information regarding Mr. Karamelli. I will follow up as best I can, but my access to papers outside the Casebook is, as you know, limited.
Ramsey's 'East End Then and Now' has been on my to buy list for many months now. My list has grown longer over these past few months as all of my extra money has gone to research a project we've privately discussed.
Will be in touch,
Cheers |
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