Author: Grey Hunter
Sunday, 14 March 1999 - 06:06 pm |        |
| There is no known third photograph of the body in Miller's Court. |
Author: Christopher-Michael
Sunday, 14 March 1999 - 07:50 pm | |
There were several photographs taken of the devastation in Number 13, as well as schematic drawings (presumably much like those done by Mr Foster for the Eddowes inquest). We learn this from testimony by Dr Bond during the MJK inquest.
Unfortunately, no-one knows what has become of those photographs and drawings. Considering that the second MJK photo was only recently discovered and that Ripper material does occasionally get sent back to the Yard anonymously, there is a slight chance some unseen disjecta membra (as it were) will come to our notice. It is more likely, however, that just as Donald Rumbleow so often laments in his book, most Ripper-related photographs have long since been tossed away.
CMD |
Author: JoAnn Thomsen
Friday, 30 April 1999 - 04:05 pm | |
Hello everyone. My name is JoAnn and today is my first time visiting the casebook. When I was a child I would have gruesome nightmares nearly every night. My mother used to describe the things I would say in my sleep. I had these nightmares from 5 until 15, when I first learned about JTR. I immediately became enthrawled because many of the things I dreamt were real events that happened in 1888. Need I say more? I was certainly disturbed at how I could have been dreaming of something that had happened before I was born and that I knew nothing about. I don't mean to sound like a psycho, but I wanted to share anynymously why I am here. It is not like I am convinced that I may be reincarnated, for lack of a better word, but I am still not sure what to make out of it at this point. Anyway, the dreams stopped when I began to research JTR. The dreams focused specifically around the murder at Millers Court. I cannot look at the picture at the scene; it is disturbing to me beyond what ANYONE can imagine. I know that no one will ever understand, nor do I expect them to, but if anyone was willing to listen I figured it would be here. Now I have focused my obsession towards a career in forensic chemistry. I have been to London in 1995, and I couldn't bring myself to go to Whitechapel. The dreams seem too real as if they were memories. I had never been to London before but I was able to make my way around the city with no help- not even a map! Just wanted to share my thoughts to some unknown faces in cyberspace since I can't share these things with people face to face.
Sincerely, JoAnn |
Author: Joseph
Friday, 30 April 1999 - 08:14 pm | |
Hello Joann, and welcome.
Your story sounds interesting, have you ever tried
putting your thoughts, and feelings on paper,
like a running dialog which would cronicle your impressions from your earliest,to your latest recollections.
Also, you might want to write down the memory
part of you experiences.
Sometimes, when feelings, and memories are committed to writing, they make a great source of
reference on which you may build a clearer
picture of exactly what your are experiencing.
In any event, please keep us posted. :-)
Best Regards
Joseph |
Author: Peter Birchwood
Saturday, 01 May 1999 - 02:04 pm | |
Hi JoAnne:
I believe that we had someone a long time ago file one submission to these boards saying that he was Florence Maybrick reincarnated so the topic has been raised. There's a lot of things pro and con about reincarnation and I'm sure that Paul Begg knows a lot more than me through his Fortean connections but Lurancy Venum and all those Indian children notwithstanding, I suspect that there's not a lot of evidence for it. With respect I would suggest that the easiest option: that you may have been Mary Kelly in another life, is not necesarily the likely one. Whatever you do, do not get yourself hypnotised in order to prove this. Past life regression can be extremely dangerous to the mind and hypnosis by medically unqualified practicioners has caused more problems than almost anything else in the "psychology" field.
Peter.
David:
A most interesting choice of words. Does "No" mean MJD is not in the frame or: you're just not commenting. If the latter, I suspect you are fingering Druitt or one of his close relatives. Perhaps you could put us out of our misery and just say: "MJD is not my suspect."
Peter. |
Author: D. Radka
Sunday, 02 May 1999 - 01:17 pm | |
Peter,
Sorry for appearing cryptic, and for letting a mole hill rise to mountainous proportion. I've variously responded to people here that I have a suspect, and that he is not Sherlock Holmes, Joseph Barnett, or John Pizer. Somehow it's been surmised that I've stated it might be, or might not be, MJD. In fact, I haven't said anything about him, and wish to leave it that way. Please replace Druitt together with Tumblety, Ostrog, Hutchinson, and everyone else--all possibly my suspect.
David |
Author: Peter Birchwood
Sunday, 02 May 1999 - 01:26 pm | |
David:
Thanks for your note and until you feel able to reveal him/her/it to us, I won't try to - is the phrase "second-guess?" you any more.
Peter. |
Author: Caz
Monday, 03 May 1999 - 03:51 am | |
Hi JoAnn,
Welcome to the Casebook and thanks for having the courage to post here.
I have an open mind about everything lately, because my own experiences connected with my JtR research seem a bit odd even to me, one of the most down-to-earth people you could ever meet!
I wish I could take your fear and dread away for you. Maybe if there were more people out there feeling the same way, you could cope with your 'memories' and use them constructively. I sort of believe in a kind of genetic memory, where one recalls events in forebears' lives. My own daughter at two years old told friends and rellies reams about her own children, life and death almost as soon as she could string two words together! Details we found later by accident showed considerable insight into her paternal great-great-grandmother's life!
This is why I would agree with Peter about the dangers of regression, you might be going back to someone else's tortured background, not your own!
If you want to elaborate on your experiences here, I am sure I can speak for all the 'regulars' that we will listen, absorb and not judge harshly whatever you wish to share with us.
Good luck.
Love,
Caz |
Author: Laura
Sunday, 16 May 1999 - 10:00 am | |
JoAnn,
It was extremely interesting to read what you had to say on your "memories". Like Caz so rightly said we won't judge too harshly and would be interested in anything else you wish to say. You will find that the majority of people have an open mind, anything's possible. After all would any one have believed in 1888 that a man would be walking on the moon in about 80 years time??
Laura |
Author: Judith Jasper
Tuesday, 18 May 1999 - 08:31 pm | |
It's my theory that Jack The Ripper left England
and migrated to America. I think he came from New
York to Ohio, then possibly traveled in other states. I think he murdered the "Black Dahlia", also. I would like other people's opinion on this. |
Author: Ashling
Tuesday, 18 May 1999 - 09:27 pm | |
Hi Judith! If you're new to the boards - Welcome!
Interesting theory ... one that's flashed across my mind briefly. Both cases being unsolved is the only major connection I see though. If JtR was say 22 in 1888, he'd be 81 in 1947 when Elizabeth Short was murdered ... most likely a bit frail for the heavy work of chopping a body.
I am intrigued by the possibility that the Black Dahlia was murdered by a descendant (son?) of JtR - or of the Torso murderer in Whitechapel. The second would be much more likely.
It's been a while since I read up on the Dahlia, so correct me if I'm wrong ... I believe Elliott Ness had a hot supect for the Black Dahlia - a local guy whose wealthy family shipped him off to an insane asylum (possibly to avoid questioning).
I guess he could be researched to see if his Dad or whoever regularly vacationed in Europe. In the late 1800s & early 1900s rich folks often spent months at a time "on the Continent." Or, more in line with what you're saying Judith - the Whitechapel Torso murderer could have lived in England, migrated to America & raised a son there.
BTW, wasn't there a torso murderer operating in Cleveland, Ohio sometime in the 1900s? Nice talking with ya.
Take care,
Ashling |
Author: Ashling
Tuesday, 18 May 1999 - 09:35 pm | |
Oops! Just realized we're on the Mary Kelly board. My apologies folks. Judith, you might want to move this discussion over to the JtR, Zodiac & Friends topic which Red Demon started or create a new topic board for this (just ask if you don't know how - lots of helpful people here).
Take care,
Ashling |
Author: Wolf
Wednesday, 19 May 1999 - 12:41 am | |
Hey Ashling, just a quick word, you're confusing the Black Dahlia murder with Cleveland's Mad Butcher of Kingsbury Run who murdered and dismembered twelve people in 1934. This was the case that Elliot Ness never solved but he did have his suspicions regarding the son of a prominant family.There were some similarities between the Mad Butcher and Black Dahlia but no decapitation which was part of the signiture of the Butcher.
Wolf. |
Author: Peter Birchwood
Wednesday, 19 May 1999 - 02:36 pm | |
Judith:
I don't know whether you realise that Elizabeth Short (the Black Dahlia) was killed in LA 59 years after the Whitechapel Murders. This would tend to make Jack in his late 70's (at least) at the time of the latter killing. Now whether the LA Police (that fine body of men) bothered to check retirement homes for the killer is uncertain but I do think that we might look for a slightly younger person to eviscerate Ms. Short. Carry on with your theorising however, there are people on this web site who would no doubt agree with you.
Ashling:
I don't think Ness is correct here. I have read something recently which does give a very credible suspect for the Short murder: if I find it again I'll send it to you.
Wolf:
Ness did say that he'd had a letter from LA that put the two crimes together. I don't know much about Ness but my impression is that he might have been a bit of a self-publicist and possibly not reliable.
Peter. |
Author: Ashling
Wednesday, 19 May 1999 - 08:19 pm | |
Hi y'all.
PETER: Thanks for your comments. As always, I welcome all the help I can get. My above post was based on a dimly remembered T.V. documentary or perhaps an America's Most Wanted espisode. I replied to Wolf on the Ripper, Zodiac & Friends board ... seemed a more appropriate spot. If you do find more detailed info on the Dahlia, I'd appreciate hearing it. It's nice to know my math (on the Ripper's age in the 20th century) was pretty much on target.
Take care,
Ashling |
Author: Jane
Thursday, 20 May 1999 - 07:53 am | |
Hello everyone!
My first question: Having not and refusing to read the Maybrick Diary (which I presume was the first to publish the second MJK photo) Where was this picture discovered? |
Author: Ashling
Thursday, 20 May 1999 - 08:46 pm | |
Hi Jane and Welcome to the boards! Stewart Evans wrote an excellent dissertation which will probably answer your question. It's accessible through Main Menu> Dissertations> The Kelly Crime Scene Photographs - by Stewart P. Evans. If you don't already know him by reputation, reviews of his book are available on the main menu also.
There's a couple of other dissertations on Mary's photos ... Try Main Menu> Search the Casebook> then type in kelly photographs (look for as a phrase). If you're a computer techie, I don't mean to insult by giving so many details ... If folks here hadn't given me step-by-step directions when I first arrived, I'd be wandering around in the dark looking for Jack on Saturn or wherever.
Take care,
Ashling |
Author: Jane
Friday, 21 May 1999 - 07:38 am | |
Hello Ashling,
Thanks for the welcome. I looked where you said, but could find no mention of the photo I meant ie:-the photograph looking across MJK's body to the side table (towards a door/window?). It seems to have been in circulation only over the past 4 years.
Enjoy your weekend
Jane |
Author: Sara
Friday, 21 May 1999 - 03:07 pm | |
Jane:
I think the photo you refer to can also be seen in M. J. Trow's "The Many Faces of Jack the Ripper", p. 75.
I am going to read "The Maybrick Diary" for perspectives' sake - but will relegate it to "interesting fiction" after reading so much about it on the boards. Will let you know (if someone else doesn't first) if it references where the snap came from.
Take care, Sara |
Author: Ashling
Friday, 21 May 1999 - 08:48 pm | |
Hi y'all.
JANE: You're not the first to think that. Scroll to the top of this board & click on "Archive through Feb. 26." Read Christopher T. George's two posts of Fri. Jan. 29, 1999 at 10:17 am & 10:37 am. Chris does a great job of clarifying that the photo you're interested in - is indeed covered in Stewart's article. It's frustrating to read right past the very information you seek without seeing it - but it happens to me a least once a month ... so much material to absorb & only one pair of eyes to read it with.
SARA: Hi. I haven't read Trow's book ... what did you think of it?
Take care,
Ashling |
