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Clues Left By The Suspect:
Casebook Message Boards: Ripper Suspects: General Discussion :
Clues Left By The Suspect:
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Monday, 26 February 2001 - 08:12 pm |        | Dear Avril,
I assume this barbed dart is thrown in my direction? You are the second person to suggest
this idea...no doubt there are others of a similar mind. However, I cast no aspersions on any person due to their race, creed, colour,or
sexuality...or any similarity to the living and the dead.I am sure the Posters can decide for themselves when they have had enough of ROSEMARY.
Love, Rosemary, XXX |
Author: Jade Bakys
Tuesday, 27 February 2001 - 01:10 pm | | Well Rosemary
I find your postings add good humour and a little light heartedness to the casebook. I find the rudeness, patronising lecturing from many posters much more off putting.
It's a casebook for serious discussion we all know; but it is posts like the one above Rosemary's that might have most newcomers running for the hills. If your a little eccentric, your slant a little surreal then your Davidoz, and he/she wasn't so bad anyway. I have a tip for those who have had a sense of humour bypass, ignore the posts if they offend you I wasn't aware that Davidoz/whoever had inflitrated all boards, there is plenty of serious Ripper discussion. Check out Ed's, that should really get you doing mental gymnastics. |
Author: Avril Sprintall
Tuesday, 27 February 2001 - 03:41 pm | | If Rosemary was posting as Davidoz, fine - if not where did you get the idea I was aiming at you?
And no I have not had a humour bypass, far from it.
I never patronise or discriminate, but I did expect serious discussion. Surely that was not too much to ask.
And yes you are right, there are plenty of worthwhile discussion boards here & rest assured I will be concentrating on those.
Respect & regards |
Author: Joseph
Tuesday, 27 February 2001 - 06:43 pm | | Ms. O'Ryan And Ms. Bakys,
Do you mean to say my poetry is poorly conceived, or poorly expressed? :-) |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Tuesday, 27 February 2001 - 07:57 pm | | Dear Jade and Joseph,
The truth is...
Love,
Rosemary,
Davidoz,
Ed. |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Tuesday, 27 February 2001 - 08:16 pm | | Also,
Florrie Maybrick,
Saddam's kid brother,
Sue D. Chieu.
Love,
Erm...? |
Author: Joseph
Tuesday, 27 February 2001 - 09:46 pm | | | Release the hounds |
Author: Jade Bakys
Wednesday, 28 February 2001 - 12:13 pm | | I don't have a clue what you are talking about Mr. Joseph; but then again why would I.
Do you know why so many newcomers pass through this board? because of the Maybrick diary I suspect, the board is easily accessible and so is Ripper related information, because of the Internet and World Wide Web. Where would you ‘established & Published people’ enjoy listening to your own voices if you didn’t have this board? The Maybrick Diary has a lot to answer for, for both the public and the published and long standing members of this site who have to constantly, and patiently lecture the unsuspecting yet eager novice on why there theory is so full of crap. The gullible public, who have had yet another suspect propelled into their lives will undoubtedly find their way here. Unfortunately we are not published or have pursued other interests not Ripper related, and have limited knowledge and quite a lot of ripper myth mixed in with the knowledge. Yes we irritate; yes we get frustrated and it is very easy when you are faceless to retaliate in the fashion above, however I am not the first and I wont be the last, so I suggest you make this board exclusive to those published and those who have more than twenty years of ripper knowledge that way the irritating hoi poloi can keep their Maybrick diaries and their uninformed comments and childish behaviour away from the serious ripperologist. And that is fair comment, read past posts, it explains so much. However it does have serious anthropological implications, the Ripperologist could become a dying breed, or so socially exclusive that you will become an enigma just like the Freemasons, and from the general, ignorant publics point of view that isn’t such a bad thing.
I think the board speaks for itself, trawl through the posts the same names appear time and time again, most newcomers don’t hang around for very long. |
Author: Paul Begg
Wednesday, 28 February 2001 - 02:31 pm | | Hi Jade
Which aspect of the “experts” are you talking about? Their knowledge or the manner in which they choose to express it? The former is something you can’t really complain about. The latter, I would be inclined to agree with, but there is occasional rudeness in the best bred households. The Boards are open to anyone. They are a place where the knowledgeable can debate fine points and also a place where, it is hoped, the newcomer can acquire information, though the Message Boards are not the most ideally suited for the latter and it would be a boon to all if some charitable person produced some basic FAQ sheets. As for Joseph, he is capable of making himself extraordinarily clear but is, I believe, currently playing a game with the Rosemary, whose extremely irritating and far from clear one-liners are reminiscent of a previous poster who was ejected from the Casebook. |
Author: Jade Bakys
Wednesday, 28 February 2001 - 05:03 pm | | Ok Paul, I was being a tad unfair, I think what I am trying to say is that because we have eminent historians, writers etc, long standing posters are often quite patronising to newcomers, and the weight of the words of the pubished posters is often debated respectfully by other long term posters, whilst newcomers are ignored, chastised, patronised etc. Not by all long term posters but there a few who are very guilty. I certainly was not referring to you, Martin, or Stewart, I haven't posed a question for you, if anything the published (sorry to keep reffering to you like this are quite gentle with newcomers). I think it is having such reputable people on board makes some posters assume a high standard of respectable behaviour and knowledge should be shown by all, incase we scare you off the boards with our vulgar, uneducated ways. There are others I refer to as experts they are by no means published.
I didn't understand were Joseph was coming from to be honest, I find him pretty scary, and try to stay out of his way. I understand the Davidoz goings on, but to be blunt whenever Davidoz posted Joseph was not far behind. I apologise if I offended you, it wasn't really intended that way. |
Author: Paul Begg
Thursday, 01 March 2001 - 02:56 am | | Hi Jade
You didn't offend me in the least, but I think the Message Boards are a very valuable resource and I have always felt that newcomers here should be welcomed - anyone bringing a fresh eye to the subject is to be valued. Rudeness, from anyone, shouldn't really be tolerated though at times it is difficult to remain civil. Buy my main point in posting that message was so that you didn't throw in your towel and leave the Boards too. |
Author: Caroline Anne Morris
Thursday, 01 March 2001 - 04:17 am | | Hi Jade,
When I was a newcomer, I had my fair share of being chastised and patronised, but gradually I learned how to deal with this because I wanted to stay more than I wanted to go. In my experience, the friendly, direct, polite, well-informed and well-meaning posters greatly outnumber and put to shame the negative, rude, cryptic and sharp-tongued ones. I do hope you decide to stay.
I don't find my adopted big brother Joseph the least bit scary. He can look at the inner workings of my brain, soul and conscience through my posts any time he likes, and comment accordingly if he so wishes. I believe him to be a remarkable man with a great deal of insight.
Love,
Caz |
Author: Alegria
Thursday, 01 March 2001 - 08:33 am | | Hi Jade.
You are right on several points. The message board regulars tend to be a bit insular and bite at newcomers. Because of twits like Rosemary and David Oz, all newcomers are eyed with suspicion. NOT FAIR. But a lot of the time a newcomer is someone who has been booted previously for acting like a twit. Most of the time, if they were a twit in a previous incarnation, they act like a twit in the next and are easily identifiable. So far, from what I have read of your posts, you don't seem to fall into the twit category, but you are a newcomer so when you engage in dialogue with Rose/Oz suspicion immediately falls on you. Again, not fair, but that's life. A second point about which you are also correct is that Joseph takes great delight in baiting the twits. He gets away with it because he is a regular and has established himself. The truth is, if you want to establish yourself on the boards, there will be a trial by fire. Most people probably don't feel it is worth it and therefore, do not stay. My advice to all newcomers: if you want to survive, limit the freakiness and foibles at the start, give us time to trust you but DON'T take crap from anyone. If someone attacks you, give as good as you can.
Hope you don't wander off,
Ally |
Author: Jade Bakys
Thursday, 01 March 2001 - 08:40 am | | Hi Paul, Caroline and Alegria.
You give sound advice. Thanks
Jade |
Author: Joseph
Thursday, 01 March 2001 - 06:37 pm | | Hello Everyone,
Thank you for the kind words Paul,I appreciate them very much.
Caroline Anne, it is so sweet of you to say that about me. I read this thread before I left for school this morning, and I was very touched; you made me cry. Not a whimpering shoulder shakin' thang, but just enough to hafta blow my nose kinda cry.
Alegria, your appraisal of the problem is astute, and your advice is sound, but I must add this note of caution:
Please everyone, be very careful when baiting twits. They are lively critters, and tend to wiggle around a great deal; get a good grip on 'em, or you'll end up with a hook in your thumb. :-) |
Author: Tom Wescott
Thursday, 01 March 2001 - 10:23 pm | | Interesting discussion. Just for the record, I used to post on here, around a year ago, under the name RED DEMON, in case you happen to remember. I thought I'd mention that so there's no suspicion that I may be one of the previously 'booted' newcomers that Ally mentioned. It seems that in the year I've been gone from the boards we've lost quite a few posters, gained a few, and retained a number of the 'regulars'. I think it should be pointed out that at one time we ALL picked up our first JTR book and were 'newcomers'. Any knowledge we have of the case today is thanks to others who came before us. I try to keep this in mind when having to explain to someone for the thousandth time that Prince Eddy was NOT the Ripper, the Ripper was NOT left-handed, etc. because when I was new to the case, and even still, there were people who patiently explained why the information I had was wrong, and filled in the gaps for me. However, one can't be too sensitive. I, personally, can't stand sensitive people. While there's no excuse for blatant name calling, I don't see the point for sugar-coating. I love a good debate. Ha ha. So, let's talk about clues left by the killer...
Yours truly,
Tom Wescott |
Author: Jon
Thursday, 01 March 2001 - 11:19 pm | | Hey Tom
Nice to see you back.
Only recently we were discussing your old point about the windows to Millers Court, being removed or not.
Regards, Jon |
Author: Tom Wescott
Friday, 02 March 2001 - 12:14 am | | I made a point about the windows to Miller's Court? Cool. I hope it was a valid point. Could you please refresh my memory. Man, it feels wierd not posting under the 'RED DEMON' monicker. What was I thinking!!!!
Yours truly,
Tom Wescott |
Author: Caroline Anne Morris
Friday, 02 March 2001 - 04:27 am | | Hi All,
Joseph,
I didn't mean to make you cry. Now Old Red's gonna think you are too sensitive. LOL
Red,
As I said on another board, it's good to have you back. I thoroughly enjoyed your article in Januarys' Ripper Notes.
I'm sad that you can't stand sensitive people. Some of the posters we lost during your own absence may come into this category, and it would be a shame if you couldn't stand the thought of them returning.
Love,
Caz |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Friday, 02 March 2001 - 06:07 am | | Dear Joseph,
Gone fishing. |
Author: Joseph
Friday, 02 March 2001 - 08:07 am | | Hi Caz,
Thanks again for the kind words of support, you are a good friend, and I am glade I know you. Peggy thinks you're such a sweetheart, and she's right.
Tom Wescott and I are familiar with one another, and our sensitivities won't be an issue.
However, he should be aware that one head of the neurotic mutant hydra that we have inherited from the cyber mental clinic, is pseudo-sensitive; it appears to be afraid of haiku, and redacted Shakespeare. :-)
Nothing much has changed here Tom, Mr. Radka still hasn't published a word of his "solution" after two plus years, and is milking his fifteen minutes for all it's worth; various personalities have come and gone, and vitriol has virtually disappered.
The diary is still a bone of unresolved contention, and the inspiration of a considerable amount of dialog. Fortunately, it is not completely void of positive contributions. It has attracted the participation of a personality that began posting sometime after you left; an intellectual gentleman that I'm positive you will get along with, by the name of R.J. Palmer. Mr. Palmer has a gift for arguing a point based on its merit; he doesn't allow his passion to overwhelm a serious, and honest discourse. He's a good man, and I think you two will hit it off right away. You will also enjoy speaking with Warwick (Rick) Parmenter, and Simon Owen. Both these gentlemen came to the Casebook after you left on your sabbatical; they are good natured, and intelligent conversationalists.
Welcome home, I look forward to speaking with you again. |
Author: Tom Wescott
Friday, 02 March 2001 - 01:41 pm | | Joseph and Caz,
Thank you for the warm return welcome! Caz, perhaps you and I have a different definition of sensitive, or perhaps I simply didn't make myself clear. I am referring to those who become defensive in a debate because someone doesn't agree with their theory or idea. I'm not referring to those who get upset because someone tells them to '•••• off'. That wouldn't make me happy, either, although I would take it in stride knowing that it only makes the other person look bad and not myself. Caz and I have gotten into it quite a few times in the past, but in hindsight I think the controversy made the boards more interesting. Controversy can do that, as long as it's in moderate doses. I've visited a number of forums, and this is by far the most mature, fun, and informative I've ever found on ANY subject, probably because most of the people here are British. Don't ask me to explain that reasoning, it just seems logical for some reason. Anyway, I'm glad to be back. I've got some new ideas to discuss and hope to learn more from all the people on the board.
Joseph, have you decided on a suspect of choice yet?
Yours truly,
Tom Wescott |
Author: Christopher T George
Friday, 02 March 2001 - 01:57 pm | | Hi, Tom:
Nice to see you back here! I don't think most of the people here are British. Most visitors I believe are based in the United States or Canada, although we are lucky to be visited by a number of well-informed Brits such as Martin Fido (temporarily in the U.S.), Paul Begg, Stewart Evans, and Keith Skinner. There are also a number of British ex-pats such as myself, Jon Smyth, and Judy Stock, who are now residents in North America. However, I would still bet that the largest majority of visitors are U.S. born. Maybe Stephen Ryder should take another poll? 
Chris George |
Author: Tom Wescott
Saturday, 03 March 2001 - 01:27 am | | Really? That's interesting. I knew that you were an ex-patriot, Chris, but I didn't know about the others. I just notice a lot of talk on here that totally goes over my head, usually about British T.V. shows I've never heard of. Like every time I pick up Ripperologist, there's a picture in it of Jeremy Beadle, whom I don't know the first thing about. From what I understand he does a rip-off version of our show 'Take Ben Stein's Money', which in turn is a rip-off of a French show. I also notice somewhat anti-American inferences at least once an issue, but perhaps it's just my American sensibilities. Every great empire has it's fall, you Brits should know that, and I'm starting to get the feeling that America's is fast approaching. The people and govt. here are cutting off their nose to spite their face. I shouldn't complain too much, I suppose, considering the freedoms we have that others don't, one of which ISN'T smoking. Do they still let you smoke cigarettes in public places in England? Anyways, I'm babbling. My ex-girlfriend, and still friend, spent 3 months in London recently and is now scraping and saving so she can go back again this summer. Of course, she took Donald's Ripper Walk and brought me back a few pics. She absolutely loved the place and hearing her stories and seeing all the pictures makes me want to visit even more than I did before, although she also told me she was called a 'yankee @##$#' on more occasions than she'd care to remember. Okay, enough babbling. Off I go.
Yours truly,
Tom Wescott |
Author: Caroline Anne Morris
Monday, 05 March 2001 - 06:09 am | | Morning Tom,
I understand perfectly what you mean about people who get sensitive to having their theories and ideas challenged. I just had this image of you sniffing in disgust while Joseph was blowing his nose. I must try to avoid doing this in future because my little jokes tend to be taken far more seriously and literally than was ever my intention. Just blame my perverse British sense of humour!
Love,
Caz |
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