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Sampson Salmon
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Sampson Salmon
Author: chris scott
Friday, 07 February 2003 - 09:15 am |        | Honestly, that is his name! I came across this character in my travels round the Net and have become intrigued by him and will be doing some research into where he was at the critical times 1888.
His "career" is summarised on the website I found about him as follows:
Sampson Silas Salmon was hung for murdering his cousin Lucy Smith at Newgate prison in Feb 1901. Sampson had a troubled life in the Royal Marines after enlisting in 1886. He was repeatably imprisoned and was also sentenced to one year imprisonment in the civil courts in 1893. His state of mind deteriorated to such an extent that he became completely unhinged and cut the throat of Lucy in Bow London. His plea of insanity was refused
His outline details are:
Sampson Silas Salmon, Royal Marine record
Born 13 2 1868
Private Salmon
Enlisted 30 7 1886
Discharged 1892 Invalided out.
Served at Chatham Docks, HMS Chatham, Mercury, Howe, Audacious,
He was charged with attempted murder in 1897 (full details on the site) and was finally found guilty of the murder of his cousin in 1901 in Mile End. The phrase that rang bells was :"his wife was dead, lying full length in the kitchen with her head nearly severed from the body, which had also been hacked about in several places"
Salmon was eventually hanged in Feb 1901.
Have a full read about this character at
http://www.salmonfamily.fsnet.co.uk/Samson.htm
and see what you think!
Regards
Chris S |
Author: richard nunweek
Friday, 07 February 2003 - 12:57 pm | | Hi,Chris.
Only problem, If one was to consider him in the line up of Ripper suspects, he was surely too young to be high on the list.only twenty years old at the time. But Intresting.
Regards Richard. |
Author: chris scott
Friday, 07 February 2003 - 01:01 pm | | Hi Richard
I agree that 20 is below the usual "profile" age although there have certainly been number of serial killers of this age or younger
I'll carry on seeing what I can find out about him.
Glad it was of interest
Regards
Chris |
Author: David Jetson
Saturday, 08 February 2003 - 12:17 pm | | | I know that various naval bases were (and still are) classified as "ships" in the Royal Navy, so it is possible that a land-based sailor could be listed as serving on the HMS Whatever while never actually going to sea. If you're serious about checking this sailor out, check whether any of the "ships" he was listed as serving on were actually land bases. A land-based sailor working at the London Naval dock would be interesting. Check also if the RN had sailors working on short-haul cross-channel ships, as we all know about the theory of Jack doing his ripping when the shipping was in. I can't imagine why cross-channel shipping would need a Naval escort in 1888, but who knows? The good thing about the Navy is that they'll have records going back to well before the Victorian period, so histories of the ships the excellently named Sampson Salmon served on will not be too hard to find. |
Author: Jeff Bloomfield
Sunday, 09 February 2003 - 12:47 am | | Only two points I could think of regarding
Mr. Salmon. First, his last ship, "Audacious"
is the predecessor to the World War I dreadnought
that was sunk by a mine off Lough Swilly in
October 1914, just after being built. This is
only of interest because the Admiralty, at that
time trying to hide serious home water losses
(the Hogue, Aboukir, and Cressy were sunk by
a single German u-boat about this time, as was
the Pathfinder), did not reveal the loss of
the Audacious for nearly four years to the British
public, although American newspapers had photographs of it's sinking because R.M.S. Olympic
was sailing nearby, and American passengers shot
photos of the disaster.
Second, his grave is near the two Muswell Hill
burglar/murderers, Albert Milsom and Henry Fowler,
who were hung in 1896.
But the very fact that Salmon did not try to flee
from the site of the murder of his cousin suggests
that he did not have the same personality as the
Ripper, who usually did flee the sites of his
killings.
Jeff Bloomfield |
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