Author: Ashleah Skinner
Saturday, 21 September 2002 - 07:30 am |        |
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Subject: Jack the ripper news
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Date: 2002-08-02 11:16:33 PST
http://www.observer.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,764416,00.html
Whitechapel prostitutes were victims of a surgeon who studied the black arts,
claims author
Amelia Hill
Sunday July 28, 2002
The Observer
Jack the Ripper was not a serial sexual killer but an occultist called Robert
Donston Stephenson who terrorised London's East End while indulging in a
sadistic form of Satanic worship.
According to a new book that claims to prove conclusively the identity of the
mass murderer, the Ripper's true motive was to kill four prostitutes as the
occult decreed and, in so doing, profane the Christian cross.
Public fascination with Jack the Ripper has barely faltered since the first
murder, on 31 August 1888, when 45-year-old Mary Ann Nichols was murdered and
mutilated at a spot patrolled every 30 minutes by policemen.
Three new books speculating on the killer's identity will be published this
autumn, while films, including last year's From Hell, starring Johnny Depp
and Heather Graham, are based on the crimes.
Patricia Cornwell, one of the world's most successful crime novelists, is
working on a BBC Omnibus documentary that will conclude the killer was artist
William Sickert. Her belief is based on his obsession with the subject - his
depiction of what was believed to be the last murder led to speculation that
he was the Ripper.
But in Jack the Ripper's Black Magic Rituals, author Ivor Edwards claims that
despite being repeatedly overlooked by Ripperologists, Stephenson, alias
Roslyn D'Onston, was the killer.
'Certain points in relation to these crimes have never been satisfactorily
explained and, in fact, many have been ignored,' said Edwards, who has spent
the past nine years investigating the murders.
'One avenue, which was never explored by the police of the day, mainly due to
their ignorance, was occult ritual murder, including the doctrine that
certain organs should be removed from murdered prostitutes, killed at
pre-arranged sites, which were to be located at the four points of the
compass.'
During his research Edwards realised that the victims were carefully laid
facing north, east, south and west. 'How do you calculate the probability of
finding four bodies randomly distributed in a city so that they form the
precise points of a cross?' he asked.
He then did what no other researcher has done before: measure the distances
from victim to victim and take compass bearings to discover if there was a
pattern between the sites where the women were murdered.
'I found that by joining some of the sites together, you created two
equilateral triangles; a sacred symbol which, in occult doctrine, Satan
devised to be used in worship of him,' Edwards said. By joining the sites in
a different way, a Christian cross was revealed.
After examining the position of the fifth and last victim, 25-year-old Marie
Jeanette Kelly, Edwards realised that all the women were killed within a
500-yard radius and that, by joining the sites together, it was possible to
create the Vesica Piscis, a fish-like symbol worshipped by the early
Christians. By murdering his victims and leaving their bodies in that way,
the killer intended a tribute to Satan.
Edwards said the organs removed by the Ripper - the heart, kidneys, genitalia
and womb - were those routinely used in black magic rituals.
'Such practices were common on the west coast of Africa at the time and my
suspect was known to travel to the west coast in search of occult knowledge
and even went so far as to write on the subject,' Edwards said.
Stephenson, an occultist and military surgeon who lived near the site of the
murders at the time they were committed, was arrested twice for the crimes
but was released each time.
An exceptionally intelligent and educated man, Stephenson was obsessed with
black magic and confessed to the murder of at least two people during his
travels in Africa.
He was from a wealthy family but had been cast out after marrying his mother's
maidservant, Anne Deary, in 1876.
After he was turned down for a job with the Metropolitan Police, the couple
made what money they could through Stephenson's writings on the occult, which
included One Who Knows and Tautriadelta .
Deary disappeared in 1887 and was never seen again. However there were
suspicions that a dismembered body found in a river near the Stephenson's
Brighton home later that year was hers.
With his wife out of the way, Stephenson spent his time in the company of
prostitutes.
On 26 July 1888, he moved to London, signing himself in as a private patient
at the London Hospital, Whitechapel, complaining of neurosthenia, a complaint
whose cure lay in rest, fresh air and a light diet.
'Why would a man suffering with a complaint that requires nothing more than a
rest move from a renowned health resort by the sea to a dirty, acrid,
polluted area like Whitechapel?' Edwards asked.
He believes the reason was so he would be in a place where the police were
least likely to look for a killer.
According to Edwards, Stephenson spent a month planning the murders with such
precision that the police were unable to trace him and, despite partial
admissions that led four friends to report him as a likely suspect to police,
he remained at large, writing long articles exhibiting intimate knowledge of
the murders for the Pall Mall Gazette .
In 1904 Stephenson published a book, The Patristic Gospels, which continued to
explore his obsession with the world of black magic, but after that he was
never heard of again. No record of his death has been found. |
Author: Dan Norder
Saturday, 21 September 2002 - 08:28 pm | |
This article's errors have already been argued and reargued in the Stephenson thread, as well as lots of others topics on these boards. We certainly don't need another rehash. If you are interested, see the other threads (should be obvious, or do a search on Stephenson).
Dan |
Author: Ashleah Skinner
Sunday, 22 September 2002 - 03:36 am | |
| Him i'm just showing the full article in case anyone wants to add not to cause a repeat |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Sunday, 22 September 2002 - 12:51 pm | |
Dear Ashleah,
So, where is his tomb? There is a worthwhile search!
Did he really decode the Voynich Manuscript and its Great Occult Secret...or is this only a rumour?
Rosey :-) |
Author: Ashleah Skinner
Sunday, 22 September 2002 - 06:16 pm | |
| it actually said "No record of his death has been found" in the article |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Sunday, 22 September 2002 - 08:36 pm | |
Dear Ashleah,
Maybe, he changed his name just prior to his death? Some folks do that...all sorts of reasons.
Especially if you do not wish to be disturbed by
"Jack the Ripper" autograph hunters.
Rosey :-) |
Author: brad mcginnis
Monday, 23 September 2002 - 11:24 am | |
| Who said he's dead? |
Author: Christopher T George
Monday, 23 September 2002 - 12:41 pm | |
Exactly so, Brad, since he was able to don that Cloak of Invisibility, old Roslyn could be sitting at our shoulder as we type right now! 
Chris |
Author: brad mcginnis
Monday, 23 September 2002 - 08:07 pm | |
| "If there aint no tomb, he did'nt meet his doom".....Johnnie Cochrane |
Author: David Radka
Monday, 23 September 2002 - 11:40 pm | |
Mr. George,
Please respond flatly and directly to the following question. Is D'Onston your suspect? Do you believe he committed the Whitechapel murders? Yes or no. Why or why not? Are you preparing to release a book which deals with D'Onston as the Ripper? Precisely what aspect of the case are you primarily interested in discussing in your new book?
Thank you.
David |
Author: Dan Norder
Tuesday, 24 September 2002 - 12:08 am | |
It's seems kind of odd for David to demand that Chris answer questions flatly and directly when David won't give flat, direct info about his suspect, "A.R."
Just an observation.
Dan |
Author: Ivor Edwards
Tuesday, 24 September 2002 - 12:12 am | |
| For the record the mistakes in the original article were pointed out by me to the Sunday Observer. |
Author: Ivor Edwards
Tuesday, 24 September 2002 - 12:25 am | |
| Mr Radka,Please respond flatly and directly to the following questions, Who is your suspect ? What evidence do you have to show he was the ripper ? Do you plan to write a book on your theory ? |
Author: Christopher T George
Tuesday, 24 September 2002 - 02:17 am | |
Hi, David:
To answer your question, I find both D'Onston and Tumblety to be viable and interesting suspects. I probably will continue to write about both of them but not in book form, only in articles and upcoming presentations. I am planning no suspect-directed book at this time.
The book I am working on, which should interest you, is on "Jack the Ripper and the Jews." The book will discuss the whole matter of the Jewish community in the East End, including discussion of Jewish immigration into the East End, the radical clubs and social clubs, Jews as witnesses and possible suspects, and whether the crimes were directed at the Jews or whether they were simply bystanders.
David, if I might ask, who is your suspect?
All the best
Chris |
Author: brad mcginnis
Tuesday, 24 September 2002 - 03:06 am | |
Chris, invisibitity was easy, only took 3 killings, The rest were for imortality.
Ivor..Where can we in the States get your book? Do we have to go through a UK outlet and if so do they take Gold Mastercard?
David, **** or get off the pot. Dont throw gibs at people who publish unless you publish too.
On a personal note I hope your health is returning.
Best wishes Brad |
Author: Stan Russo
Tuesday, 24 September 2002 - 07:42 am | |
Brad, and all,
Ivor's book will be available at Barnes and Noble in mid September, so about right now. I asked a sales clerk about his book in late August and she said they sold it out. Ivor then told me that it wasn't due for release until about mid-September. Just another reason why I dread dealing with the public. Check out your local Barnes and Noble, and ask to see the commander in chief of the store. That person might have the answer, but it should be available in the US.
STAN |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Tuesday, 24 September 2002 - 08:44 am | |
Anthropological footnote:
All ritual, unlike myth, requires it to be letter-
perfect to be effective...
Rosey :-) |
Author: David Radka
Tuesday, 24 September 2002 - 11:00 am | |
I am willing to reply flatly and directly to the questions I have asked Mr. George.
1. No, D'Onston is not my suspect.
2. No, I do not believe D'Onston committed the Whitechapel murders.
3. The reason I do not believe D'Onston committed the Whitechapel murders is because there is insufficient evidence to link him to the crimes, not because he is or is not a viable suspect.
4. Yes, I am writing a book, actually a thesis paper on my theory.
As I have long shrewdly suspected, Mr. George and I share a particular interest in the case, that is "A.R.," and it should be plain at this point what the meaning of the acronynm is. It appears that the one of us who publishes second should obtain the work of the first, so as to be sure to include adequate citations, thereby to avoid any unnecessary litigation.
David |
Author: Ally
Tuesday, 24 September 2002 - 11:13 am | |
David,
You failed to answer this one: " Precisely what aspect of the case are you primarily interested in discussing in your new book"
Flatly and directly, please.
Regards,
Ally
P.S. You only need to site the prior if you have seen it and it has been incorporated into your thesis. Since that is not the case, there will not be any grounds of litigation. |
Author: David O'Flaherty
Tuesday, 24 September 2002 - 11:26 am | |
"A.R." is an acronym?
Is "Robert Anderson" your suspect, David? You should be aware that I hold the copyright to that phrase--unauthorized use will be vigorously prosecuted.
Dave |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Tuesday, 24 September 2002 - 11:44 am | |
...which allows us to consider the possibility of "A.R" within the ongoing and unfolding dialectic...anachronisms are run-of-the-mill in the myths of people with no accurate record of sequences of events. Tasmanians told George A. Robinson that the moon came from England, and the Micmac of Nova Scotia say their trickster-hero Gluskabe once bent the sides of a church bell together so it could'nt wake them up on Sunday mornings.
Rosey :-) |
Author: David Radka
Tuesday, 24 September 2002 - 11:45 am | |
1. No, I don't believe Robert Anderson committed or is implicated in the Whitechapel murders.
2. An aspect of the case that I am primarily interested in discussing is the Juwesh aspect.
David |
Author: Ally
Tuesday, 24 September 2002 - 11:50 am | |
You didn't ask for "an" aspect. It's "precisely" what aspect. Juwesh doesn't give us precise. Precisely what about the Juwesh aspect are you intersted in discussing. Precision is key.
Thanks,
Ally |
Author: David O'Flaherty
Tuesday, 24 September 2002 - 11:59 am | |
David Radka,
You owe me a royalty for the above mention of "Robert Anderson (copyright David O'Flaherty)."
Please send payment immediately or you'll be hearing from my attorney.
Also, note that I now hold copyright to the phrase "David Radka." Cease and desist using my intellectual property without proper credit to avoid future litigation. |
Author: Christopher T George
Tuesday, 24 September 2002 - 12:04 pm | |
Hi, David:
Well I have suspected for some time that your thesis would have something to do with the Jewish aspect of the murders. I would reiterate, however, that the main reason I am writing my book, in contrast your evidently suspect-driven theory, is to study the whole question of Jewish involvement in the case not specifically to name a suspect.
Best regards
Chris George |
Author: Christopher T George
Tuesday, 24 September 2002 - 12:08 pm | |
Hi, again, David:
You stated:
"As I have long shrewdly suspected, Mr. George and I share a particular interest in the case, that is 'A.R.,' and it should be plain at this point what the meaning of the acronymn is."
You indicate that I know what "A.R." stands for. I do not. It sounds as if everyone else here is equally puzzled by the acronym.
Best regards
Chris George |
Author: judith stock
Tuesday, 24 September 2002 - 01:11 pm | |
Dear CG and O'Flaherty,
PLEASE note for any further posts, that I now hold the copyright to the following words.... "ripper, killer, murder(er), Whitechapel, East End, suspect, police, AND, THE, and IS". If you use any of these words in any context, please forward royalties immediately. How's THAT??
Cheers to all,
J |
Author: Christopher T George
Tuesday, 24 September 2002 - 02:11 pm | |
Hi, Judy:
You are a hard, hard woman. I thought Margaret Thatcher was the Iron Lady, but by gum, you have her beaten. 
All the best
Chris |
Author: Kevin Braun
Tuesday, 24 September 2002 - 02:15 pm | |
| "AR" is an acronymn for OxyContin. |
Author: judith stock
Tuesday, 24 September 2002 - 07:30 pm | |
You're right, CG; I AM a hard woman, but hell! if David is copyrighting things, I figured "why not?" So I'm going for it...all royalties expected in a timely fashion!
Everyone have a great week and weekend; we're off to bother the grandchildren, and to celebrate the five-year old's birthday.
Cheers,
J |
Author: David O'Flaherty
Tuesday, 24 September 2002 - 07:33 pm | |
Dear Judith ©David O'Flaherty,
Check's in the mail
Cheers,
Dave |
Author: judith stock
Tuesday, 24 September 2002 - 08:15 pm | |
Now, see? This is a gentleman!!! Thanks, David; all donations and royalties gratefully accepted.
J |
Author: David Radka
Tuesday, 24 September 2002 - 08:31 pm | |
"Antisemetical Ripperology: The Temerity to Blame the Juwes."
Haha. Just kidding.
David
|
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Wednesday, 25 September 2002 - 09:05 am | |
Dear David,
I concede that "A.R" is an elegant solution in so far as killer and victim are in the same 'loop'...
depending on your ability to sufficiently elucidate the 'double-event'- which may yet be your poisoned-chalice.
Be my guest!
Rosey :-) |
Author: Robert Maloney
Wednesday, 25 September 2002 - 12:00 pm | |
This is shaping up to be an interesting match race. The Early Morning Line Odds are as follows: The fair odds for Rosemary O'Ryan are currently set at 1-2 with an estimated chance of .666. David Radka's fair odds I place at around 2-1 with an estimated chance of .333.
Please note, any apparent symbolism resulted purely, emm, by chance.
However, as bookmaker, I have corrected the odds which will now reflect my "takeout". The line now becomes 1-5 on "Rosemary's baby" and 3-2 on "A.R." This line will change accordingly if there are any late entries such as Graziano or others. Thus, as it stands now, Rosemary O'Ryan is currently the Odds-On choice to have the most elegant Ripper solution in this match race.
Rob (the bookie) |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Wednesday, 25 September 2002 - 02:49 pm | |
Dear Robert,
I have a powerful computer...AL6000!
Rosey :-) |
Author: Robert Maloney
Wednesday, 25 September 2002 - 04:42 pm | |
Rosey,
Yes...hmm...I see what you mean.
I have lowered you to 1-20, The Prohibitive Favorite.
Rob |
Author: Ivor Edwards
Wednesday, 25 September 2002 - 08:16 pm | |
Hi Brad,
The publishers John Blake informed me that the book would be out in mid-September and that it would be available in the US. Most High Street bookstores can order it if not in stock. I was never even sent a final draft as promised and have not yet seen a printed copy in book form.Mind you who am I to complain I only wrote the book. |
Author: brad mcginnis
Wednesday, 25 September 2002 - 11:15 pm | |
Hi Ivor.
Stan says Barnes and Noble are the U.S. distributors and he has checked. Ive never heard of High Street book stores. Its just my luck that the store in my town is Walden Books. Not a problem though, as I think I can order your Book through B&N online.
I hope in a month or so after we have had a chance to read the book you will come to a Tuesday chat as Im sure we'll have lots of questions only you can answer.
By the way, hows "The Titanic" comming along?
Best wishes, Brad |
Author: John Savage
Thursday, 26 September 2002 - 10:43 am | |
Hello Ivor,
I have just returned from the shops, and you may be interested to know that my local Waterstones has a copy of your book on the shelf. Hard back with an attractive dustjacket, a snip at £14.99
Hope you have a lot of sales.
Regards,
John Savage |
