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A NEW THEORY OF WHO JACK IS?
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A NEW THEORY OF WHO JACK IS?
Author: Dave Sceats
Thursday, 19 September 2002 - 03:24 pm |        | A new theory of who Jack The Ripper is ??????.
Francis Tumblety and George Chapman.
Francis Tumblety was a “quack” Doctor with fierce hate of all women especially fallen women.
George Chapman was a man who would do anything for money; he was hanged in 1903 for murdering his wife’s for financial or own interests.
The Theory
Tumblety travelled across Europe in the 1880’s colleting pathological specimens for his collection. In Poland in the early 1880’s he met George Chapman, known as Severin Klosowski, who was apprentice to Moshko Rappaport Senior Surgeon Poland.
The mid 20’s George Chapman was deeply impressed by the 50 ish Tumblety, with his tales of travel and his acts of life saving and Tumblety’s interest (possible homosexual), George Chapman was soon part of Tumblety’s rational against falling women.
Chapman was in a great position to steal pathological specimens, to which Tumblety properly paid Chapman for. ( the first Ripper murders could have been in Poland).
1887 George Chapman immigrated to London, June 1888 Tumblety returned to Liverpool.
1888 George Chapman moved to Cable Street just before the start of the murders.
Chapman short of money met up again with Tumblety who had approached without success the sub-curator of the pathological museum for specimens (willing to pay £20 each).
Chapman and Tumblety embarked on their specimen collecting project. Except one of two things happened to cover the fact that they were after specimens they made the murders look like a maniac ( helped by the press), or Tumblety paid Chapman more money to satisfy his own need, we will never know.
After the MJK murder, Tumblety was suspected of the Ripper murders and fled back to New York America under the alias of Frank Townsend on the steamer La Bretagne.
George Chapman went to New York in 1889, where some similar Ripper murders took place.
Other similarities.
1880 Tumblety brought a false suit against a Mrs Lyons for a stolen sum of $1000
1902 Chapman brought a false suit against a Alfred Clark and Mattilda Gilmoor of £700 |
Author: Christopher T George
Thursday, 19 September 2002 - 03:42 pm | | Hi, Dave:
I appreciate the evident effort you have put into this theory, but I am going to post here what I put in another thread--
I have an article coming out in the October issue of Ripperologist giving newly discovered information from a U.S. newspaper of 1888 which indicates the American doctor enquiring about the anatomical specimens could not have been Tumblety. This new information runs counter to the thought that the American could have been Dr. Tumblety, because he does not fit the description of the doctor described in the newspaper.
All the best
Chris |
Author: Christopher T George
Thursday, 19 September 2002 - 03:51 pm | | Hi, Dave:
As a caveat to the post that I just wrote let me add that there is no evidence to support your contention that "Tumblety travelled across Europe in the 1880’s collecting pathological specimens for his collection." All we know is that there is an account which supports the notion that Tumblety had such an anatomical collection when he lived in Washington, D.C., in the 1860's.
Neither of course is there any evidence that Tumblety and George Chapman (Severin Klosowski) were in any way connected. In fact, Chapman seems to have been very much a lone operator. The men would have moved in different circles in any case.
Best regards
Chris George |
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