Author: Ashleah Skinner
Sunday, 21 July 2002 - 09:44 am |        |
According to crime writer Tom Slemen and criminologist Keith Andrews JTR was Army Colonel Claude Reignier Conder. The evidence is cryptic messages carved on the victims bodies and scrawled on the wall at the scene of a murder in so-called ancient languages which Colonel Conder knew from working as an archaeologist in the Middle East He was a 39 year old British Intelligence officer,archaeologist,writer,map-marker and specially trained killer.
He has been buried in Cheltenham cemetry for over 90 years.
He was born in Cheltenham in 1849 and regarded as 'a local respectable man' and possibly has descendants there today. He was also a descendant of French born Louis Francois Roubillia,an 18th century British sculptor.
In the 1860s he moved to Hackney, East London and served in the Royal Engineers alongside Sir Charles Warren who then was a captain in the Regiment.
The discovery of remains in King Soloman Temple, Jerusalem including arrtefacts and rings sparked a chain reaction which later led to the murders. The rings etc were stolen by Annie Chapman.
All victims knew each other and gained from Annie Chapman.
Conder knew the soilders routines which is why he never was dectected and he cut the victims throat before anyone could make a sound.
THE FINAL CHAPTER???
(And im only 15!) |
Author: Divia deBrevier
Sunday, 21 July 2002 - 10:34 am | |
Hi Ashleah:
Interesting theory... where did this information come from (book, etc.)?
It has been my understanding that there was no evidence that indicated that the victims knew each other, so I would be very interested to know where Slemen and Andrews found this out. I would also be interested in finding out how they know that Annie Chapman stole those artifacts.
Ashleah, you are to be commended for taking an interest in such a complex case at such an early age. I also became interested in the Ripper at an early age and started reading everything on the subject that I could get my hands on. I would caution you on books that offer "the final solution". Oftentimes they omit facts in order to make their theory fit, or even twist the available facts for the same reason. I am not saying that these gentlemen have done so, only that it has been done by others in the past.
Read them with a grain of salt; gain another perspective through them, then cross reference with Sugden's "Complete History of Jack the Ripper".
We will probably never know who the Ripper was... but isn't it great fun digging up the info?
Warm regards,
Divia |
Author: Ashleah Skinner
Sunday, 21 July 2002 - 10:43 am | |
Yeah very true but the people involved spent masses of hours at the Public Record Office with this research they presented it on radio back in april.
I found it in an article and there got all the evidence from the Public Record Office so its more fact than fiction, wouldn't you say? |
Author: Divia deBrevier
Sunday, 21 July 2002 - 02:36 pm | |
Dear Ashleah:
Well, to be honest, I really couldn't say without reading it first, cross-referencing their sources, and weeding out sheer speculation. I'm sure that if their the holds water, others that devote the bulk of their time to Ripperology will examine the evidence seriously.
Could you tell me what periodical published the article that you refer to?
Warm regards,
Divia |
Author: Ashleah Skinner
Sunday, 21 July 2002 - 03:44 pm | |
| welll i found it in an article on google search under Middle Eastern Shore news. |
Author: Peter R.A. Birchwood
Sunday, 21 July 2002 - 04:13 pm | |
Tom Slemen is the Frank Edwards of "unsolved" mysteries and like his mentor often seems to rely on published sources rather than his own independent research. I'm obviously keen to see his book if and when it materialises but as his initial articles managed to get one vital point wrong, I have no real faith that he has solved the mystery.
The mistake he made was to obtain a contemporary address for Conder, locate it in London (behind Hackney Greyhound track) and tell the world that Conder had associations with Whitechapel. (This method of research is seen at its best on the Diary boards.)
Unfortunately the address wasn't in London at all but in Guildford Surrey lightyears in distance and status from Hackney. The street of the same name in Hackney may not even have existed in 1888 but the street in Guildford was incontrevertibly the home of Conder, his wife and children at the relevant time. |
Author: stephen miller
Monday, 22 July 2002 - 01:25 am | |
Hi All you will find the article on conder at
www.detective.mainpage.net
from steve
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Author: Divia deBrevier
Monday, 22 July 2002 - 01:47 am | |
Thank you, Steve!
Warm regards,
Divia |
Author: chris scott
Thursday, 05 December 2002 - 08:41 am | |
There is a background article and picture of Conder at
http://www.geocities.com/johnkennedyzap/ripper.html
also on that page is a full replay of the radio programme on which the theory was explained
hope this helps
Chris S |
Author: Dan Norder
Thursday, 05 December 2002 - 04:24 pm | |
I didn't realize there was more than one thread on this suspect or else I would have posted that link here as well.
Tom Slemen is primarily a writer about ghosts and UFOs and other topics, and his theory about Jack the Ripper follows along some of the same popular but ridiculous conspiracy theorist trappings.
According to Slemen, Conder was a "real-life British Ninja-like intelligence agent" who escaped crime scenes by crawling up over rooftops and fences, as well as a practicing Satanist who left secret messages to the police in an ancient and largely unknown language by cutting them into Eddowes' face. He also accuses Conder of being the cause behind several disappearances of children and others for some secret nefarious ritual purpose.
In general I think Slemen has a case of raving Satanic panic, the same affliction that made Maury Terry and others blame the Son of Sam killings on a group of Satanists even though we definitely already have the true killer in that case.
I don't think we can rule Conder out, but the level of "evidence" being used here is the same broad sweeping generalizations and fantasy that supports alien abductions and messages from ghostly visitors from beyond -- as seen in Slemen's other writings.
Dan |
