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Ischenschmid, Jacob
Casebook Message Boards: Ripper Suspects: Specific Suspects:
Contemporary Suspects [ 1888 - 1910 ]:
Ischenschmid, Jacob
Author: Cindy Sparks
Saturday, 14 November 1998 - 02:31 pm |        | Out of all of the suspects the one that stood out in my mindthe most as
I read the casebook and I suppose it was because the least amountof
information was offered on him was what about JacobIsenscmid.
1. After all his name is a derivative of Jack.
2. He was a butcher which would have given him a basic knowledgeof
anatomy.
3. He was crazy.
4. His own family found his actions and the hours he kept quitebizarre
around the time the murders occurred.
5. Ripper could also be another word for butcher. Just look upthe
definition of butcher in the dictionary.
6. The murders stopped after he was confined to the asylum.
7. Wasn't the knife used a butcher knife? Most butchers Iknow use a
knife that was notched similar to the one he used. Theyneed better
grip to cut through bones and muscle.
Is there a reason why his picture is not in the casebook? Why was so
little information given on him? Are there reasons why theydismissed
him as a suspect?
Anyway those are my questions and a possible synopsis |
Author: Joe Tynan
Sunday, 28 March 1999 - 08:24 pm | | | Cindy: I knew very little about Jacob Ischenschmid, but most of the points you make have me very curious to find out more. Your only points that might not hold up are about his name. "Jack" is certainly a derivative of "Jacob", and "Ripper" could be another word for "butcher" (in fact, "Jacob the Butcher" sounds almost as catchily sinister as "Jack the Ripper") but connecting "Jack the Ripper" together with any suspect's name would only be significant if the actual murderer had written those letters signed "Jack the Ripper". It seems now, in general, the experts' opinions are that those Ripper letters were written to the Central News Office by someone other than the murderer (according to writers Stewart Evans and Paul Gainey, it was newspapermen Tom Bulling and Charles Moore behind those phony letters). |
Author: Jim DiPalma
Monday, 29 March 1999 - 09:54 am | | Hi All,
Cindy, Isenschmid was confined at Grove Hall Asylum, Bow, not later than Sept 17, 1888, was still there on the night of the double event, and thus could not have been the Ripper.
While Isenschmid was, on the surface, a plausible suspect by virtue of being a butcher with a history of mental illness, the police seem to have elevated him to the status of prime suspect based only on these most flimsy of circumstances. The interesting inference to be drawn here is that the police were apparently under enormous pressure to make an arrest, even at that relatively early point in the case.
Cheers,
Jim |
Author: Calogridis
Thursday, 08 April 1999 - 11:22 pm | | Howdy Cindy, Joe, and Jim!
You know I really like this guy! Too bad he was incarcerated for a couple of the murders. He was a good, albeit crazy, butcher. Sugden says, "On one occasion he turned up at the shop with his butcher's apron on and his knife and steel hanging at his side. Holding up a bullock's tail, he announced that he had just slaughtered forty bullocks. On another he sent a load of bullocks' entrails to the shop at three o'clock in the morning."
Wonder if there were any other butchers touched like him in the East End?
Cheers......Mike |
Author: chris scott
Monday, 02 December 2002 - 09:47 pm | | Always been fascinated by Issenschmidt - or however you are to spell it!
In fact Im about to complicate that even more cos Ive found an online source of 19th century Polish Birth, Marriage and death details - yes its there is you look
Issenschmidt is an anglicised form of a Polish name which can be variously spelt (and these are not all the variations)
AJZENSZMID
EYZENSZMITT
EIZENSZMITT
EYZENSZMIDT
etc
This guy would be great for Scrabble!!!
Anyway to pursue this a little further, the A-Z says his first name was Joseph and Sugden's excellent book said it was Jacob. Supposed date of birth somewhere about 1850.
Looking through the online records I found for LODZ province the following 2 birth records that may be of interest:
1) JOSEF AJZENSZMIDT (yet another spelling!)
born in 1851
and
2) JAKOB EJZENSZMIDT born in 1853
I hope this is of interest!!
Chris Scott
The source for this was
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/index.htm |
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