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Why did Jack the Ripper stop?
Casebook Message Boards: Ripper Suspects: General Discussion :
Why did Jack the Ripper stop?
Author: John Omlor
Tuesday, 16 April 2002 - 08:13 am |        | Agreed, Caz.
--John |
Author: Peter Wood
Tuesday, 16 April 2002 - 11:59 am | | I'll be there too.
Landlords wouldn't keep a spare key? Come on! McCarthy owned a chandler's shop, I dare say he cut them himself!
McCarthy had a spare key. He gave it to Kelly when she lost hers. She let herself into the room with it. Jack wouldn't have had to look far for it now, would he?
Jacky took the key and toddled off back to Liverpool, via Middlesex street.
Peter. |
Author: Chris Hintzen
Tuesday, 16 April 2002 - 03:46 pm | | Hi Peter,
Actually the equipment to cut a key would have been RATHER expensive in that day.(It's not too cheap these days.) So in all probability McCarthy would not have the equipment, so he couldn't have cut himself one.
And as I stated before, McCarthy is not the actual Landlord. His Mother was. McCarthy was more of the maintenance guy. Making sure people paid their rent, and fixed any minor problems they had. So if there was a spare key out there, it is more than likely his mother had it rather than he did.(Another reason why this is so, is because of Mr. McCarthy's several run-ins with the law.)
Also, if McCarthy could cut the keys himself, then why is it he didn't have a spare key for the room? It would've been MUCH easier to use a key then bust open the lock. If he was going to give Mary(a tenant who hadn't paid him her rent for weeks) his copy, he would have made another copy, since he probably would need to be evicting her soon anyways. And why would he give Mary another key, if he did have one, since she was already more than a months behind in the rent? Think about it, if you were in charge of some rooms, and someone who owed you for a month's rent asked you for another key, because they 'lost their's', would you give them the sole remaining key? McCarthy may have been a foolish person, but I don't think he was an out and out MORON!
Sincerely,
Chris H. |
Author: Richard P. Dewar
Tuesday, 16 April 2002 - 04:50 pm | | Hi Leanne,
I am aware of spurned suitors that viciously attack those they have been rejected by. However, I am not aware of a reported case in which a man formerly committed to a woman mutilated her.
Mutilations, except for instances in which children murder their parents, is extremely rare. Have you heard of such a case?
Thanks,
Rich |
Author: Leanne Perry
Tuesday, 16 April 2002 - 06:28 pm | | G'day Richard,
I'll get back to you on this matter, I'm not trying to avoid you, I just have to go away for two days.
Leanne! |
Author: Richard P. Dewar
Tuesday, 16 April 2002 - 06:48 pm | | Hi Leanne,
No problem. Take care.
Rich |
Author: Chris Hintzen
Wednesday, 17 April 2002 - 07:31 am | | Hi Rich,
There are a couple of case where mutilations by spurned lovers is in evidence.
There is Henry Lee Lucas, who killed his 17 year old lover cut her up, stuck her in a series of plastic bags, and then dumped her body in a barrel.
Then there is Ed Gein. Now this isn't exactly a spurned lover case, but may be considered so by some. Gein killed a barmaid at a local tavern who he was attracted to, but never pursued. He then cut her up, using some of her skin as a suit, and other parts he ate. He also killed another woman he was attracted to, and ate parts of her body. Of course in both of these murders his motive was that his dead mother came and told him to kill.
I'm sure there are others out there. Typically the spurned lover scenario is mainly seen in murder or multiple murder, which are the cases I believe you were mentioning. Serial Killer's tend to get bloodier in their killings than regular murders.(Not in all the cases, but in many of them.) So it is possible that Barnett, or another spurned lover is responsible for these killings. And simply stopped after he killed the object of his desire.
Whether, Mary Kelly was that object, or if he was delusional and envisioned his lost love when he killed all of his victims...well that's another story.
Regards,
Chris H. |
Author: Peter Wood
Wednesday, 17 April 2002 - 01:28 pm | | Key cutting machines are cheap these days. You can pick them up in "Loot" for a couple of hundred quid. Didn't Mr McCarthy leave quite a lot of cash when he departed this mortal coil? I reckon he could have afforded one?
One more important point, you can't surmise that McCarthy wouldn't have given the key to Kelly because of her rent arrears - you see, you are then assuming that Kelly lost the key whilst behind with the rent. She could have lost the key, taken the replacement then got in arrears with her rent.
But it's all speculation.
The door, however, was locked - otherwise Barnett would have shown the police how to open it through the window. With that particular feat not being possible, the door must have been locked with a key.
Peter. |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Wednesday, 17 April 2002 - 06:58 pm | | Dear Peter Wood,
A Mr Hinton has suggested that an interpretative
analysis of witness statements point to the lock on MJK's door being a spring-loaded night latch type rather than the usual(!) levered-bolt mechanism found on doors pre-1888.
You may be interested to know that the technique of reaching through a hole in the wall and operating a key on the inside of the door is known as "The Egyptian Method".
Rosey :-) |
Author: Chris Hintzen
Wednesday, 17 April 2002 - 08:28 pm | | Hi Peter,
The key wasn't lost until near the end of October. This was at the end of Barnett's and Mary Kelly's relationship. So again, she would have been SEVERAL weeks behind on her rent.(Even if we go by the middle of October, then Mary and Barnett would still be together, so Barnett would know about Mary getting the 'spare' key, as would those that stayed with them.)
A couple hundred quid would have been a GREAT deal of money for McCarthy to have spent on this one machine back in the day. I know you're going to say the word 'inflation' but I'm also going to state that the machine would have been a much newer mechanism, so the price would have been either the same or MUCH higher.
Secondly, Barnett WAS NOT at Miller's Court before they busted down the door. So he couldn't have shown the police how to open the lock. The idea that Barnett was there is a myth. It was only ever stated in one news article in a rather unreliable paper(The Star), which I still have not found.(Is it possible that maybe the casebook boys and girls with the litterally HUNDREDS of articles on Jack, haven't gotten to this November 10th article that Paley speaks of?) Nowhere else does this story exist. Not in the official records, nor in any of the other papers of the day, at least none that I can find. So there is no corroboration of the story, which makes it even more skeptical as evidence.
The problem we have these days is that many people don't check up on researchers' works, to find out if all the information is true. They just go blindly with whatever is quoted from one source, instead of looking into others, or even doing their own research to back it up. This is the same problem Scottland Yard ran into back in 1888. You'd think maybe we'd learn from their mistake over the years.
Regards,
Chris H.
P.S. I agree with Rosey, it was a spring lock. The type of lock was discussed in several papers back in 1888, and there may have even been an official document that stated the lock type as well. |
Author: Leanne Perry
Thursday, 18 April 2002 - 12:25 am | | G'day Rich,
I found details of a case where Edward Zakrewski hacked his wife, his son and his daughter with a machete because of an impending divorce.
Mark Barton of Atlanta, bludgeoned his wife with a hammer before killing his two young children,then killing nine other victims.
Thomas Clark murdered his wife Erma with an axe, inflicting injuries that were 'critical in the extreme'.
Thomas H. Groover threw his wife off a bridge.
LEANNE! |
Author: Leanne Perry
Thursday, 18 April 2002 - 12:29 am | | G'day,
I also read about a guy who planted a bomb on a jet that his wife was on killing all 35 passengers, but I can't find that printout.
LEANNE |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Thursday, 18 April 2002 - 06:01 am | | Dear Chris H,
I keep an open mind on the exact locking mechanism
at Millers Court.
Rosey :-) |
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