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Sir William W Gull and John Netley
Casebook Message Boards: Ripper Suspects: General Discussion :
Sir William W Gull and John Netley
Author: kenneth rosengren
Saturday, 01 September 2001 - 11:24 am |        | Sir William was givin the orders too kill the five women , because mary jane have told the other four victims, that prinse Albert Victor had a little girl.The little girl was the result of an affair with a women named Annie Cook.And the prinse married her in Sankt Pauls Catheteral.But Queen Elisabeth found that out, and tould the Primeminister, that he should do something about it.He got in touch with Sir William, who hired John Netley too drive the deathcoach.
And how Mary jane did now about this??????
SHE WAS THE LITTLE GIRLS NANNY. |
Author: Jon
Saturday, 01 September 2001 - 08:43 pm | | | Queen Elizabeth's involved now ???? |
Author: Leanne Perry
Sunday, 02 September 2001 - 06:27 pm | | G'day Ken,
You don't believe that fairytale do you? How did they know she only told five women? Mary Jane Kelly was never a nanny!!!!!!!!!
Leanne! |
Author: Christopher T George
Sunday, 02 September 2001 - 07:37 pm | | Hi, Jon:
One thing is for sure, the story is getting more and more interesting as time goes by. 
All the best
Chris |
Author: graziano
Monday, 03 September 2001 - 05:14 am | | Hello Jon, Leanne, Chris,
I know that you are not going to believe it but the little girl was my great great aunt.
Or great great great ?
Bye. Graziano Cook of Saxe-Cobourg and Gotha. |
Author: Scott Weidman
Tuesday, 04 September 2001 - 12:23 am | | Greetings from Cali,
I, too, had "once upon a time" found the Gull and Netley theory to be an interesting one, but only as a titillating piece of overblown fiction. Not a chance in the bloody pit of Hades does this theory realistically stand up amongst the multitudes of practical theories. Then again, I am still in frantic search of a personally favorable theory of my own. Caught between the tigers I suppose.
Graziano- Unless you were typing facetiously, why would that be so unbelievable? I share a family tree with a few famous people myself. Zachary Taylor, 12th US President, is one of my greater grandfathers, and Eugen Weidmann, the last known person to have been publically guillotined (for murder), is also a distant relative of mine. It's a small small world indeed.
Chris- Jack the Musical is like the finest of wines, my friend. May it soon join Phantom Of The Opera and Les Miserables in the most famous of West End and Broadway cellars. My best wishes are with you always.
Scott |
Author: Christopher T George
Tuesday, 04 September 2001 - 11:04 am | | Hi, Scott & Graziano:
Yes I agree with you, Scott, that being related to someone famous or notorious perhaps is not that unusual. We are, after all, related to each other in some way.
Hi, Scott:
Your kinship to the last man guillotined sounds fascinating. Tell us more. As for Zachary Taylor, he was as you may know, an officer in the War of 1812, and we covered his participation in the defense of Fort Harrison in a past issue of the Journal of the War of 1812 that I edit. I will send you a copy.
Also, Scott, please just keep on pouring on the compliments in regard to the musical that Erik Sitbon and I have written, "Jack--The Musical"! Neither Erik nor I will object!
Best regards
Chris George |
Author: graziano
Tuesday, 04 September 2001 - 03:32 pm | | Hello Scott,
I was in fact writing facetiously.
There is on the boards a little comic (and I must say that each time he makes me laugh a lot) that uses from time to time to post under various meteorithic ( not sure about the "h" there) identities (meteorithic because they never last more than two or three messages).
Everytime with the new identity he specifies the reason why he came on the boards.
And I must say that there he is very strong.
I am going all over the boards to try and detect all his posts.
Last time he used the identity of a little girl of 16 years saying that she was the great great great daughter of Elisabeth Stride.
You imagine, 16 years and already on the boards for serial killers.
Well, I had a good moment.
But the very big lough came when some other posters answered seriously.
(No offence Robeer, seriously, just a way to speak).
Now, I am really impressed by your tree.
I can't say the same.
I think the most famous I have are Adam and Eve and then.......well, it must be Cain.
Bye. Graziano. |
Author: David Radka
Tuesday, 04 September 2001 - 10:56 pm | | Scott,
How did you feel about President Taylor having been disinterred to test his body for traces of strychnine poisoning several years ago? The coffin was opened, and fingernail tissue was analyzed. The test disproved poisoning as the cause of death, so it looks like the bowl of cherries he ate on the day he died was benign.
I don't know how I'd feel about one of my ancestors being disinterred. I have supported disinterring Ripper victims and related parties in the interest of solving the case. I'd like to know your opinion, if I may.
David |
Author: Scott Weidman
Wednesday, 05 September 2001 - 12:29 am | | God kveld.
David- In regards to President Taylor's alleged poisoning, I believe the tests were conducted only to pacify those who pushed for the tests to be conducted, which, in turn, ultimately threatened the accuracy of the good 'ol US of A history books. Nobody wanted Honest Abe bumped from his upper echelon as the first american president assassinated by a mere one-year wonder. I can't help but question the results of the tests.
I am in favor of revealing the truth, no matter how painful the process, however, that somewhat contradicts my other belief that the dearly departed should be allowed to rest in peace. I am ambivalence in the flesh I suppose. This is why I choose to be a listener and observer rather than a reporter.
Every time I think I have a firm grip on a particular subject I am humbled by new information. And I relish it every time it happens. Sometimes it pains me to witness two or more people arguing who's right and who's wrong over something that is so wide open (ie. Ripperology), unless something totally ridiculous is suggested, of course.
Graziano- I must admit you could have kept me going for awhile with your great great (great?) aunt claim. I never rule out anything. Masquerading fools are the twins to the wise so-to-speak. I guess that would put me in a comedy and/or tragedy mask. As for your chameleonic comic of the Casebook postings, I've not yet had the opportunity of reading his "stuff", but I will keep an eye out for him... or her (sixteen-year-old girl?).
Chris- You're quite welcome. I have been enthralled by your impressive theatrical creation ever since I first slipped it into the cd player. You and Erik have put together something very special and I can't imagine it stopping short of pay dirt and eternal praise. Yes, it is THAT good. I just can't wait to behold its stage debut in Bournemouth at the end of the month.
Yes, Zachary Taylor was quite the war hero, although sometimes overlooked and unappreciated by most historians. I am but an amateur in the subject (shame on me, I know), but my uncle is avid US historian. He's involved in war games and the like. You may even know him (Mike Crane). He's an admirable history professor and editor in Colorado Springs and a former Fresno State professor (the type of guy that goes first in a trivial pursuit game and finishes the game before anyone else gets their first turn). You and he would get along most famously I am certain. I wish I knew more about the subject (american history in depth, that is) myself. Come to think of it, Chris, you remind me a lot of my uncle. Just smile and take it as a compliment, he's very cool.
Time to happily drown within the soothing sounds of Jack- the Musical yet again.....
Regards,
Scott |
Author: Christopher T George
Wednesday, 05 September 2001 - 09:03 am | | Hi, Scott:
You are fast becoming known as Number One Fan and Booster, which is great. I think what Erik and I have created is pretty special too. I think it captures the life and times of Jack the Ripper, and more than that, the psychology of the man who committed the murders--our interpretation of it, at least--and demonstrates that Jack himself was a tragic figure. This is not meant to diminish the enormity of his crimes. In fact, the sheer horror of what the Whitechapel murderer did is part of the overall tragedy encompassing both the victims and the killer.
And to get back on the topic of this thread, I would like to say that our treatment of the crimes differs from the usual presentations of Jack based on Stephen Knight's Jack the Ripper: The Final Solution almost undoubtedly including the upcoming film "From Hell" based as it is on the same mythology of the Royal conspiracy, in which Jack is usually portrayed as a blood-thirsty demon. By contrast, we give him a human face that makes the story all the more tragic and poignant, a kind of Oedipal grandeur rich in texture and depth instead of the one-dimensional character that is typically shown. Boy, maybe we will make some fans if I keep talking like this about our show!
Best regards
Chris George |
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