Author: Triston Marc Bunker
Wednesday, 14 February 2001 - 02:32 pm |        |
Being new here this chestnut, as posed in the subject title, maybe an old hat topic or mentioned elsewhere in these hallowed pages but I do feel I need to raise the issue for my own piece of mind.
You all know the strong resemblances between the two, I presume, but for myself and those who do not I have listed them below.
1. Both traveled between America, Liverpool and London on a regular basis.
2. Both felt deeply let down by their spouses. Tumbletys' was a prostitute while Maybricks' was having and affair (the latter may or may not have known about this depending which side of the "diary" fence you sit on).
3. Both resemble various "Ripper" witness descriptions.
4. One was a self proclaimed doctor, while the other needed a doctor to supply him with arsenic (rembering that the good Mr Maybrick did part company with his regular doctor).
One, both or neither maybe the killer(s), but that does still pose the question "Did the know each other ?" |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Wednesday, 14 February 2001 - 02:47 pm | |
Dear Triston,
Shipping records, Maybe?
Love
Rosemary |
Author: Triston Marc Bunker
Wednesday, 14 February 2001 - 03:02 pm | |
My dear Rosemary,
Now that looks like good research to me. Now if Keith Skinner is reading this page and fancies doing something to fill his time I'm sure he can do this job for me. After all, he is the best Ripper researcher in the business and anyone who says differently I poke my tongue at them.
(Do you think that was enough creeping ? Or should I do some more ?) |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Wednesday, 14 February 2001 - 05:07 pm | |
Dear Triston,
Who is this Wunderkind,I ask myself? Could your proffered suggestion have a bearing on the motive
of Madame Maybrick in the killing of her man...something wicked this way comes! Or have I missed something inbetween?
Love,
Rosemary |
Author: Triston Marc Bunker
Wednesday, 14 February 2001 - 05:35 pm | |
Dear Rosemary,
Working on the speculation that there was a Tumblety/Maybrick association working as the Ripper, it would be safe to presume that Tumblety had some hold over Maybrick (i.e the arsenic and maybe the fact that if he was caught then Maybrick was "going down" with him). When Tumblety fled the country he also took this new supply of arsenic with him.
The lack of drugs made Maybricks' mind foggy and crazed. In his daze he confessed all to Florence. So, if we accept for one moment, she had killed her husband knowing full well that if she fled back to her native America it would be into the waiting arms of Tumblety.
Not being able to recall the line she wrote (I'm sure you'll be able to find it in the "casebook" somewhere) Florence did write a letter to her lover that did contain a line that appeared that Maybrick had told her something that was to frighten her. In the same letter she also appears to dismiss what he had told her. Did she in the end believe him enough to kill him ?
Tris |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Thursday, 15 February 2001 - 05:59 am | |
Dear Triston,
The Unnameable One makes a similiar connection,in Casebook Productions, however, his is not a menage a trois, more a Limited Company! Included are D'Onston and a Thomas Henry Hall Caine, a
Liverpudlian architect/writer.
Utterly bizarre. I'll stick with the 'loner'idea.
Love
Rosemary |
Author: Triston Marc Bunker
Thursday, 15 February 2001 - 09:09 am | |
Dear Rosemary
I tend to agree with the "Lone Knifeman On The Grassy Knoll" theory. The trouble with studying the Ripper is that you do tend to find so many twists, turns and coincidences that one tends not to be able to see the wood from the trees.
Maybe someone should try and write a piece of fiction based on my Tumblety/Maybrick connection, maybe bung in a load of other coincidences and Roberts' your fathers' brother. Perhaps I'll give it ago, I've been looking for extra curricular to keep me occupied on these long cold days. Or better still, write a horror story based on a bunch of true life crime writers having a bop at each other...... Hang on, that sounds very familiar.
Tris |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Thursday, 15 February 2001 - 11:14 am | |
Dear Triston,
Will the title of your projected masterpiece, by any chance, be called: "The Testament of Caine"?
And will it come with a free watch?!(Holistically-
speaking, of course.)
Love,
Rosemary |
Author: Triston Marc Bunker
Thursday, 15 February 2001 - 12:21 pm | |
Dear Rosemary,
How about "Frank and Jim : The Wilderness Years" ? And yes, a free watch with every copy sold. If you'll look carefully inside the watch you'll find an etched message, minus the vowels - "M-D- -N CH-N-"
Tris |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Thursday, 15 February 2001 - 05:55 pm | |
Dear Tris,
"MODE RN CHUNK". Very Far Eastern in origin, in other words?
So who is blackmailing whom ?Who is the lover? And
will there be an ending...and do the Posters live happily ever after?
Love,
("I could'a bin a cont'nder"!)
Rosemary |
Author: Triston Marc Bunker
Thursday, 15 February 2001 - 07:08 pm | |
Dear Rosemary,
Ahh, a twist and turn at every corner. Just about everyone is blackmailing everyone else (this will make it look even more like a work of fiction.)and the ending will be open.
I can see the big screen version of this book already. Here's my cast list.
Tumblety.............Kathy Burke
Maybrick.............John Inman
Abberline............Sylvester Stallone
Mary Jane Kelly......Jordan
Anderson.............Billy Connelly
Annie Chapman........Dame Judy Dench
Little match girl....Bob Hoskins
Of course Tarantino would have to direct.
("Look at me ma, top of the world")
Tris |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Friday, 16 February 2001 - 06:08 am | |
Dear Tris,
But is it scholarship?
Love,
Rosemary |
Author: Triston Marc Bunker
Friday, 16 February 2001 - 06:40 pm | |
Dear Rosemary,
Humour aside, I do tend to write this novel. It will use only facts and my theory presumptions. Hopefully, the experts, will argue me right or wrong and point out my flaws.
After all I did start this page for debate over my theory. As you will know, Roger Palmer poo poo'd my idea that Tumblety had a drug related control over Maybrick, he doesn't say why though, it would be nice to know why he called it "nonsense". Perhaps he called it that because he felt he had to defend Melvin Harris when I suggested he calmed down a little, who knows ?
As for you, Rosemary, I've read that you can be quite serious when it comes down too it. Your true, honest opinion about it all would not go a miss (I feel like your a friend now, so dont spare my feelings.). If you do find my theory a pile of dog mess back up the reasons why. If you agree, the same as before. Right now your opinions mean a lot.
Tris. |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Saturday, 17 February 2001 - 01:31 pm | |
Dear Tris,
Now I'm blushing! Honestly, anyone that knows me will know I don't read books...mine is a pure and simple soul (my tutor said so!).
I am confident your book will be a bestseller - whatever - it is about.I shall keep the aspidristra flying, ((Soho?)).
Love, (unrequitted),
Rosemary. |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Saturday, 17 February 2001 - 05:42 pm | |
Dear Tris,
So you wonder how I got this far? Mnemonics, would you believe? Not for nothing did the other girls at convent school call me, "O Rosary O'Ryan".
I stumbled into this Casebook while looking for my dog, "Skip", cos I was told to search the internet...and its a long story too!
Love,
O Rosary, |
Author: Triston Marc Bunker
Sunday, 18 February 2001 - 11:56 am | |
Dear Rosemary,
You bluffed yourself wonderfully. In fact you came over better than most people who come in here claiming to "know things".
Out of curiosity, what are you studying ? Your bluff and humour makes you sound like you have more brain cells than over half the people I associate with (tell me that's a bluff too then you'll prove what I just said).
Tris. |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Sunday, 18 February 2001 - 01:38 pm | |
Dear Tris,
What ever you say, honey-tongue! Just answer the question above, I'm greatly intrigued. :-)
Love,
Rosemary. |
Author: Triston Marc Bunker
Sunday, 18 February 2001 - 02:09 pm | |
O, o, o' Rosemary,
I thought I did answer the question in this section. But I have answered your questions in that philo section of these message boards, rhetotical as it was.
Now, answer mine. Or are you going to be just as rhetorical, lol ?
Tris.
ps, I hope I haven't read it wrong, but you look like your getting aggresive. If I have, s-o-r-r-y. |
Author: Triston Marc Bunker
Sunday, 18 February 2001 - 04:53 pm | |
Dear Rosemary,
Time for quid pro quo. Tell me all about you and I'll answer all the questions you have been asking. Just this time ask them clearly. I'm taking a shine to your writting and am already taking a liking to you. Quid pro quo.
Tris |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Sunday, 18 February 2001 - 07:25 pm | |
Dear Tris,
My tutor said, I used the same 'string'as Mel to tie my dog "Skip" to a post called 'solipsism'. Beaware!
Love,
Rosemary |
Author: Alegria
Monday, 19 February 2001 - 10:10 am | |
Could you two exchange e-mail addresses and confine your notes to personal mail? Or move this discussion to Read This First where it has been asked that all personal, non-Ripper related conversations take place? An occasional personal aside is not amiss, however when you dominate a strain with your flirtations it becomes distracting.
Thank you. |
Author: Caroline Anne Morris
Monday, 19 February 2001 - 10:42 am | |
Oh Ally, I was beginning to enjoy eavesdropping! Much more like real life drama than speculating on Tumblety and Maybrick being joined at the hip flask. :-)
Love,
Caz |
Author: Triston Marc Bunker
Monday, 19 February 2001 - 01:59 pm | |
Algeria,
You are perfectly correct. Not only is my subject and theory now getting very tedious, even to me now I point out, so are mine and Rosemarys' conversations.
So from now on I will only add to discussion on these message boards when I have something constructive to say. And at the moment I believe I have said all that any one wants to hear, though I'm sure some of you out there will say that you didn't want to hear any of it in the first place. In the meantime I'll give all of you a break from my rambling and say goodbye for a while. But be warned, I will be back.
Bye all and keep up the good investigation, I will be reading.
Tris. |
Author: Scott Quigley Nguyen
Monday, 19 February 2001 - 05:22 pm | |
| Sounds like Alegria is in need of some flirtation. Often when one is lacking romance in their lives, their only salvation is picking apart others. |
Author: Alegria
Monday, 19 February 2001 - 05:32 pm | |
| Well thanks for volunteering, Scott. I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. |
Author: Jade Bakys
Monday, 19 February 2001 - 05:34 pm | |
| ooh er missus |
Author: Triston Marc Bunker
Sunday, 11 March 2001 - 01:36 pm | |
Rosemary,
Tee hee hee, they all thought I gave up with this idea, I aint quite yet.
Congrats for you on using the "space Monkey" greeting on my other heading. You are not forgotten and underappreciated by me, that being a space monkey truth.
All I ask of you right now is to explain to me (crickey, no-one else wants to do it. Mainly because they seem to have scrubbed their hands of it before they even thought about it) why the whole concept doesn't work.
Another question : where has Caz gone ? caz is more cooler than ice and hotter than an oven on a sunday lunchtime (look, I'm still sucking up)
All the best to you Os er mary.
Not tirs (hic) |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Sunday, 11 March 2001 - 02:35 pm | |
Dear Tris,
Thou leadeth me into temptation! D'Onston is a story-tellers dream...Black Magic and all that,
(what ever this BM-thing is, I don' suppose anyone really explains the idea of BM...even Black Magicians have a problem explaining it to each other over a 'hell-fire' curry!).And I guess in his own way he is sort of 'interesting'...
beyond the pale, as it were. But definitely not
Jack.
Tumblety, on the other hand, was an extremely clever man. He always reminds me of a dingy sideshow under Blackpool Tower, where you pay your two bob and wander among the exhibits, and as you peer through the gloom at illustrated
Victorian diagrams dipicting the many and varied stages of syphilus in the uterus and womb...you feel a finger tap you on the shoulder and in blind terror you whirl round to meet the Doc's
sardonic countenance. You have a vague feeling he's been waiting there, in a corner, for somebody just like you. |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Sunday, 11 March 2001 - 04:07 pm | |
Dear Tris,
Somebody just like YOU.The circus-hand technical term is "fall-guy", or FBI parlance, "sucker". I know...its hard life for the overly curious.
Then, the Tumblety factor is known under the term
"red herring", technically a device used in the art "sleight-of-hand". But a good "red herring" is
a bit of a rarity, nowadays.
Yes, inject a bit o'the black arts, by all means.
As for the "Occult"...emmm. Highly organised. Highly secret. (Say no more, nudge,wink, nudge).
Ray Romes |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Sunday, 11 March 2001 - 08:05 pm | |
Dear Tris,
Can I send you a membership form?! Not quite,Tris.
However, Occultations Unlimited have a wicked site
called www.kellys i. com which requires the adept
to solve a series of extremely complex tasks before being elegible to become one of the chosen
few...the crazier you are the easier it gets!!!
For my next, transformation at noon, look out for a Scotsman...
Rorre Noysamay!
(or should that be tother way around?) |
Author: Caroline Anne Morris
Monday, 12 March 2001 - 07:17 am | |
Hi Tris,
Another question : where has Caz gone ? caz is more cooler than ice and hotter than an oven on a sunday lunchtime
With words like that, you can suck up all you like. Oooh! young man. 
I'm afraid I don't, contrary to appearances, keep up appearances in this place 24 hours a day, but it's quite nice to be missed, for missing the last 48 hours or so.
By the way, Rosypoo, D'Onston missed out on all his greatest opportunities really - no juicy murders on Walpurgis night, nor on All Hallows Eve, eh? And then to cap it all, the final indignity of having no one believe that he dabbled in women's innards along with the magical spells and prestidigitation, other than, it would seem, a couple of dozy and credulous women and our dear old resident misery guts. Wonder if either D'Onston or Tumblety manage to rest in peace - or is one still troubled by the bloody ties which bind him to this place, while the other is still looking for a womb with a view to a kill?
Love,
O L - in care |
Author: Triston Marc Bunker
Monday, 12 March 2001 - 02:47 pm | |
Rosemary and Caz,
Let's take a quick vote, shall I quit wittering on about this ? I raise my hand in favour of passing this motion and I think I see a few other hands waving in the wind (please note my use of words and phrases such as "passing this motion" and "wind")
It's amazing how a few tins of Sunday lunchtime bitter can make a lame idea seem like quite a good one.
Before I get accused again of flirting, Caz, I think we all know that I'm still crawling about me mentioning you being old enough to my mother. In the meantime I'm off to a site that has just been reffered....
Hopefully this is the last chapter in one of my favourite crackpot ideas, yippee.
Tris |
Author: Triston Marc Bunker
Friday, 18 May 2001 - 05:26 pm | |
Hi all,
I have finally worked out first hand why this idea is a trashy one.
If anyone has read up on my life in the "space monkey room", then they would know that I now have a connection with the two prime suspects in my theory.
The pair had been let down by women, so badly that they gained the reputation of being mysoginist.
Right now I'm one. Hopefully it won't last long, but in the mean time I feel that I don't want to rip open their innards. I just want to keep away from them quite badly Having going through this I now know that both are possibley very innocent of the accused crimes.
Until my hate for women is over I'm prepared to be crossed examined for research sake. Bring on the questions and I will answer truthfully, promise.
Tris |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Friday, 18 May 2001 - 08:55 pm | |
Dear Tris,
I now feel that something god-awful went wrong back there in the psychopathology lab...I am still working on it, but my team now think they have the answer.
In the meantime...do not tamper with it.I REPEAT.
DO NOT TAMPER WITH IT. Tick, tick, tick...
Rosey :-) |
