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Arbie La Bruckman aka "Frenchy" aka John Francis
Casebook Message Boards: Ripper Suspects: General Discussion :
Arbie La Bruckman aka "Frenchy" aka John Francis
Author: Chris Hintzen
Wednesday, 17 April 2002 - 12:54 pm |        | Hi Scott,
I can play the numbers game too.
Days of the Murders:
Tabram August 7th
Nichols August 31st
Chapman September 8th
'The Double Event' September 30th
Mary Kelly November 9th
24 days inbetween Tabram and Nichols. 2 X 4(24 seperated) = 8 days inbetween Nichols and Chapman.
We have 2 murders, so time for 1 more which makes 3. 2 placed next to 3 is 23 days inbetween Chapman and 'The Double Event'.
2 + 3(23 seperated) = 5. 5 x 8(The day of Chapman's murder) = 40 days between 'The Double Event' and Mary Kelly.
Also 40 without the 0 is 4, 4 days of murder before Mary Kelly.
And if we take the 8 (the day of Chapman's murder) as well as the 5 we came up with earlier(from the addition of the numbers in 23) and do some division 8 / 5 = 3 killings before 'The Double Event'.
And if we take the 31st (the day of Nichols death) and multiply the 3 and the 1, 3 X 1 = 3 Chapman is the 3rd murder.
And if we take the 24 days inbetween Nichols and Tabram, swap the numbers and divide...4 / 2 = 2 Nichols being the 2nd killing of the scenario.
Does this mean anything? Probably not. Just pulling numbers out of the air, and converting them to suit my needs. But it works the same way as the 38 theory.
Regards,
Chris H. |
Author: Michael Conlon
Wednesday, 17 April 2002 - 01:09 pm | | Hi, Scott,
It's always a delight reading your insights.
I'd be happy to e-mail you (although just about everything I've been able to uncover about La Bruckman is either in my articles or in my response to your profile). I assume your e-mail address is in the 'poster profile' section of the Casebook. Unfortunately, being hopelessly inept at using a computer, I have no idea how to access this section of the Casebook. I've tried before, but never figured it out. If anyone could assist the 'technologically challenged'(me), and direct me into the 'profiles' section, I'd be happy to get your e-mail address and give you mine.
I'm still making my mind up about the full efficacy of criminal profiles. I feel they have undoubted limited validity, but I question just how far they can be trusted. Anyway, I find it a fascinating topic, particularly in regard to helping flesh out JTR, and you're a great asset to the boards.
Best regards,
Mike |
Author: Scott E. Medine
Wednesday, 17 April 2002 - 03:28 pm | | Hi Mike,
They are extremely limited. Especially 114 years after the fact. One thing that has to be taken into account is that life was different back then from as it is now. Child labor laws were different. Laws concerning domestic family were different. Society’s out look on life and its various facets were different. All of this comes into play. Everyone must remember also that profiles of any kind, psychological, crime scene, astrological, ethnic, racial etc.... are all just tools that should not be used on their own. Using them correctly means using them to IDENTIFY the person(s) MOST LIKELY to have committed the crime. It can be used to rule out suspects and include suspects.
Peace,
Scott |
Author: Scott E. Medine
Wednesday, 17 April 2002 - 03:35 pm | | Mike,
My email address is s_medine@hotmail.com
Peace,
Scott |
Author: Michael Conlon
Wednesday, 17 April 2002 - 10:54 pm | | As always, many thanks for your contributions, Scott.
-Got your e-mail address, and will gladly contact you.
Best regards,
Mike |
Author: Sarah Oglesby
Thursday, 18 April 2002 - 05:35 pm | | Hello, I'm new here. I just discovered this site and have found it very interesting.I enjoy reading everyones opinion on the matter.Mike,as it happened I have been doing some family research of my own at the Ellis island site and discovered two "Frenchy's" you might be interested in. You may already have this information, but if not....I'll share with Y'all
Frenchy, J.
An American Arrived, 5-3-1892 38yr. unmarried, Arrived on the ship, France
Departed from, London
Frenchy, J.
U.S. citizen arrived 12-3-1892 37yr.
Arrived on the ship, Ludgate Hill
Departed from, London
Also found an Ali
Ali,Ben
Algerian arrived 4-24-1893 29yr.
Arrived on the ship, LaTaraine
Departed from, La Havre Seine inferior, France
From the Hill
Sarah |
Author: Michael Conlon
Thursday, 18 April 2002 - 07:34 pm | | Hi, Sarah,
Many thanks for sharing your findings!
La Bruckman, whose nickname was "Frenchy" (as was his 'cousin's', Ameer Ben Ali) came to the USA via New York when he was about 8 years old (sometime around 1870). He would have been 26 or 27 during the JTR murders, 29 or 30 in 1891 when "Old Shakespeare" was killed, so it does not look like either of your "Frenchys" could be La Bruckman.
Your Ben Ali is more interesting, however, insofar as Ameer Ben Ali was indeed an Algerian. But, again, the age is wrong. Ameer would have been closer to 39, not 29, in 1893, according to New York court records. He was known to have fought in the French Army during the Franco-Prussian War of 1870, whereas your Ben Ali would have been 9 years old at the time. The French Colonial Army was notorious for accepting just about anyone into service, but that would have been a bit of a stretch.
Anyway, many thanks for sharing your research, and keep looking!
Best regards,
Mike |
Author: Diana
Thursday, 18 April 2002 - 08:23 pm | | | A drummer boy? |
Author: Michael Conlon
Thursday, 18 April 2002 - 08:43 pm | | Hi, Diana,
Actually, court papers pertaining to Ammer Ben Ali give his age in 1891. I don't have the copies in front of me now, but I believe he was in his late thirties at the time. Records also show that he was an infantryman in the Franco-Prussian War. Again, I have copies somewhere discussing his service, including his regiment.
Best regards,
Mike |
Author: Vila
Thursday, 18 April 2002 - 11:06 pm | | Mike,
Have you thought of getting together with Larry Barbee? The two of you have different approaches to Carrie Brown's murder that I think would complement each other. I spent all day yesterday catching up on all the Dissertations that were added to the Casebook since I read them last. Just a thought.
Vila |
Author: Michael Conlon
Thursday, 18 April 2002 - 11:15 pm | | Hi, Vila,
Thanks for the suggestion.
I don't know Mr. Barbee, but I have read his fine piece on Carrie Brown in the Dissertations section.
I've turned up some additional info. on Carrie Brown, which you can find in the 'Victims' section here on the Message Boards under (not surprisingly) "Carrie Brown".
Best regards,
Mike |
Author: Diana
Saturday, 20 April 2002 - 11:32 am | | | The value of Mike's evidence concerning ALB's shipping line having cattle boats in port on the appropriate dates is dependent on how often they had boats in port. If this particular line had boats in port say, 90% or even 75% of the time then the value of the evidence drops. I am not a statistician so I don't want to sound too authoritative. Maybe somebody who understands the laws of probability better than I do could jump in here. On the other hand if they only had boats in the Port of London 10% of the time that would be very significant. |
Author: Michael Conlon
Saturday, 20 April 2002 - 03:35 pm | | Hi, Diana,
That's a fair and logical point (although I think the real value is in establishing that La Bruckman could indeed have been in London at the right time).
From my research, I seem to recall that National Line ships came to London with some regularity. As I was only concerned with establishing their presence specifically for the murder dates, I didn't record the in-port dates of National Line ships for all of August, September and November, 1888.
Nonetheless, the fact that such ships were in port on the appropriate dates, combined with the entire constellation of telling facts (La Bruckman's London arrest on suspicion of being JTR, his N.Y.arrest as the [initially]prime suspect in the Ripper-like murder of Carrie Brown,his regular presence in London, his abuse of prostitutes, his cutting up cattle alive, his description closely matching the best descriptions of JTR, etc.,etc.) make a strong, prima facie case for his candidacy.
The one item in this saga that I am particularly intrigued by is the identity of the unnamed informant who first tipped off the press and police concerning so many details about La Bruckman. It is clear from his statements that he was privy to much detailed information, including the particulars of La Bruckman's London arrest and the curious testimony of fellow shipmates.
I strongly suspect (without having any evidence) that this informant was probably a Scotland Yard man who had been keeping tabs on La Bruckman ever since his London arrest in 1889/1890. I speculate that the Ripper-like killing of Carrie Brown necessitated his coming forward with his information.
Best regards,
Mike |
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