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Casebook Message Boards: Ripper Suspects: General Discussion : Was there only one killer?: Archive through January 28, 1999

Author: Anonymous Thursday, 07 January 1999 - 11:09 am
Was there only one Jack The Ripper or was a "copy cat" involved? Did the police officals think there was a copy and that is what they were trying to cover up? Or was there one killer and the loss of police records a coincidence?
Author: Anonymous Thursday, 07 January 1999 - 11:16 am
What do you think is more probable, one killer or one killer and a copy cat? I think that either are just as likely. If one commited a spare of the moment killing was it then copied to look like the same man? During conversations with other interested "Rippers" we talked about the possibility of any of the murders being a copy of an original even the possibility of it being a government conspiracy, maybe a bit extreme. So what do you think, one man or one man and a copy?
Author: Bob_c Friday, 08 January 1999 - 03:57 am
Hi Anonymous Yaz and I, to name a couple, do have a theory about Jack being two people, although even our ideas aren't identical. One would be Jack, the active leader, the boss and the other the less active, but maybe rebellish partner. That isn't quite your 'Jack + copycat' but, taking the case of lanky Liz Stride, what if the less active partner had a go with Jack himself watching proceedings? Jack, infuriated with the bungled job, trots off and hacks Eddowes with all his trademarks just to say 'that wasn't me with Stride'. Assuming this to be true, your copycat idea comes with this partner, the man who bungled the Stride job. If he was later responsible for e.g. Coles or Francis as a copycat killing of Jack's MO or not is a matter for discussion. The true Jack signature is, I believe, too evident to really hold Stride as a victim of the master. Jack sawed the throat down to cutting into the bone, using a sharp knife. Some people even hold it for possible that Jack wanted to decapitate because of the depth and length of the cut. Stride's throat was cut, but evidently with a blunter knife and not with the same savageness as e.g. Eddowes. A look at Stride's photo shows the end of the cut at her lower throat right. Look at Eddowes and the sort of cut there. The difference is plain. I hear the howl of protest already, boys. OK, here with the heat. I can take it. Bob
Author: Yazoo Friday, 08 January 1999 - 07:32 pm
Hey, Anonymous and Bob, According to Melvin Harris's book, "The True Face of Jack the Ripper," there was a dismembered female body discovered in the Thames in May 1887 (see page 109 of the paperback edition, 1995). This is almost a full year before the "Whitechapel Murders" series began as outlined by Stewart Evans (see under General Discussion -- Defining the Whitechapel Murders). And remember, the Whitechapel Murders include more victims and probable murderers than the JtR series. The first body part was found at Rainham in Essex. I don't know how much of a sensation the body's discovery made at the time; nor how far Rainham in Essex is from London/Whitechapel; nor what connection this dismembered body (the head was not recovered) has with the later torso-killings of 1888 on. The third letter from the discredited "Dear Boss" writer begins with a (jealous?) tirade against the murderer who left a woman's torso in the construction site of New Scotland Yard on October 2, 1888. What is the possibility that JtR -- one man or two-in-partnership -- is the "copy-cat" of the murderer of the woman found in the Thames? I think the traditional five victims make a (to me!) cohesive unit, so I would rule out a copy-cat in the midst of the traditional series. And obviously my calling JtR a copy-cat of the murderer who left behind dismembered victims implies no direct copying or comparison of the torso murderers' style with JtR's killing-style. I'm speaking more about "inspiration" here...maybe even going into the area of motive. Yaz
Author: Tail-spin Monday, 11 January 1999 - 03:29 am
To Yaz and Bob, My name is tail-spin but I wanted to see how people reacted to my topic of conversation before saying anything. Thankyou both for your input. I am very glad that you share parts of my views, if only a small part in some cases. I think the idea of an inspiration rather than the copy is well worth thinking about, especially when looking at motive. Some people belive that JtR was gay and so disliked women which is why he killed only women and why he "ripped" them up beyond recognition. If this theory is true then the inspiration theory would be the more probable. Any more input would be welcomed. Tail-spin.
Author: Bob_c Monday, 11 January 1999 - 03:51 am
Hi Tail-spin There are at least as many views on the ripper board as participants, all of whom are welcome. It would be boring indeed if all had the same opinions! Yaz and I do have pet theories that partly overlap and could be near the truth, but we can't prove it one way or the other. The question about Jack being homosexual cannot be answered so easily either, Gay serial sexual killers normally kill (gay?) males, not women. Jack certainly hated or feared women, if only prostitutes or women in general is also not known. His method of mutilation was evidently sexually motivated, however. It could have been that he was impotent, or had some other problem with women, who knows? Bob
Author: Yazoo Monday, 11 January 1999 - 06:53 am
Hey, Tail-spin! Welcome. Yaz
Author: Tail-spin Monday, 11 January 1999 - 11:17 am
Hi AGAIN! Thanks for the welcome Yaz and you Bob! I am glad that we can have a simple debate without it getting boring. Bob, when you said that Jack's killings were sexually motivated is there possibly something else hidden behind that motive? Perhaps he was sexually abused as a youngster or he may have felt that his mother's sexual relations were in some way a sin and so punished others like her whilst commiting his crimes. An interesting theory hey? A shrinks dream come true! A friend of mine, a history teacher with endless knowledge of JtR, backs the theory that Jack was in some way acting out a punishment or revenge attack. This I do not completly agree with but it may count as a serious motive or erge of some kind. The mutilations themselves have a hidden meaning. The way the victim was taken apart and the organs laid around the body as if it were a ritual or cerimony of some kind. This ritual idea, in my mind, may back up the punishment theory but maybe not soundly enough for me to say that's what I would agree with if it came down to a vote. Also, if he feared women why attack them? If I am scared of something I keep away from it not kill it. However, I do see your point, but maybe this "fear" would only account for the first murder and the rest were for enjoyment?! I have to go now I will hook up tomorrow and see if either of you or anyone else has read this ESSAY and has anything to say which I am sure Yaz and Bob will have! Bye. TS
Author: Bob_c Monday, 11 January 1999 - 12:46 pm
Hi Tail-spin Some of us do think that Jack may have chopped up fallen ladies because his mother may have commited incest with him or such-like. I say 'may'. Jack could have been impotent, or gay, or 'normal' when he wasn't mincing up the ladies. He was insane by definition. You can't do what he did and not be insane. If Mr Jack was born insane, turned insane by disease (Syph?) or because of some childhood tragedy is hard to say. The laying out of the entrails around, on and under the body must have had a meaning for Jack. While he was insane, it is difficult for us 'normals' to find an explanation. Because of the little time Jack had with each victim (except Kelly?), he must have fully intended to do what he did before he killed. So the laying out of the visceria was part of the act. He did, however, concentrate on the organs connected with sex, evidently forcing his knife into Madam's genital area and ripping upwards to the breasts. A sort of beastial rape. We don't even know if Jack just hated whores or all women. He attacked just prostitutes (Eddowes MAY not have been one, but Jack would not have known that), but was that because he only wanted them, or were they simply easy to get? Let us hear some of your theories, Regards Bob
Author: Warcs Uni Tuesday, 26 January 1999 - 11:02 am
We, at Warwickshire University, believe that the 'Ripper' was insane. We have found 4 letters from a Dr. Llwellyn, written to a close friend 5 years after the murders, stating that he had found a tablet or pill taken for syph. He also told his 'friend' that a 'witness' had come to him and confessed but he knew him to be a 'madman' who had previously suffered from syph. and he did not trust him. In a later letter, he confided to his friend that he may have been able to prevent some later murders but we are unsure about which ones he is talking about. If anyone has anymore info.on the Dr's letters could they please leave a message or contact Warwick University, and ask for the History deparment. we would be very grateful for any information regarding Dr. Llwellyn and his letters.
Author: Tailspin Tuesday, 26 January 1999 - 11:18 am
Hi Yaz, Bob and our new reader Warcs Uni. I would like to know more about the letters of Llwellyn so please get back to me. As for you Bob I really think that we have a lot in common regards JtR. You say one thing and I disagree, you say another and I disagree! Only joking, but I do enjoy talking to you and Yaz and sharing ideas (I think the disagreements are quite fun). I will write back soon, promise. See ya Tailspin. PS. What got you interested in JtR? How long have you been interested? Where do you live?
Author: Christopher T. George Tuesday, 26 January 1999 - 02:53 pm
Good afternoon, Warcs Univ: I saw your posting of this date about some letters by a Dr. Llewellyn pertaining to the Ripper case that are in the possession of the History Department of Warwickshire University. If these are the letters of Dr. Rees Ralph Llewellyn (1849-1921) they could be of importance to the case, and probably should be examined by a Ripper expert such as Paul Begg. Dr. Rees Ralph Llewellyn was a witness in the murder inquest on Mary Ann "Polly" Nichols, the first canonical Ripper victim. This Dr. Llewellyn made a full examination of the victim's corpse and proferred the opinion that the murderer may have been left handed. I have replied to you by e-mail about the matter of the letters and sent a copy to Mr. Begg. Chris George
Author: Bob_c Tuesday, 26 January 1999 - 03:19 pm
HI All, Welcome, Warcs Uni. Yes indeed, the Llewellyn letters would be a great chance to come further. Good work, CG. Paul is one of the best. let's see if this brings something worth while. Bob
Author: Bob_c Tuesday, 26 January 1999 - 03:23 pm
Hi Tailspin, I live in Germany, was born in the UK and was raised in Dorset. I won't give my address on the board for obviouse reasons but if you E me through my link I'll E you back and tell all you wanna know. Best regards, Bob
Author: Tailspin Wednesday, 27 January 1999 - 03:20 am
Hallo Bob, wie geht's? What a happy coincidence I am half German from my mothers side and I have good conections with my family in Germany. I live in Worcestershire, Uk but I often travel to Germany to visit friends and family and to practise my very little German skills. But how did you get interested in JtR? And why? There is a down side to this happy time, and that is that my computer has totally crashed (I'm in a libary) and I am having to get a new one and a new e-mail address. However, my friend said that you could E me through her. Her address is kay12@Hotmail.com. I hope to hear or read about you and your interests soon. Bis bald! PS Where's Yaz gone?
Author: Warcs Uni Wednesday, 27 January 1999 - 05:57 am
Hello. thank you for replying to my notice, unfortunately the Warwickshire e-mail is down at the moment. VERY INCONVENIENT! Please post any messages you have on this board, we re-check daily for any new links, who is Paul Begg, we have never heard of him? We are looking into it, due to the fact that we have only recently started looking at JtR, since Dec 19, we are not too sure about any procedures please tell us about this. Thanks a lot The history Staff Warcs Uni
Author: Yazoo Wednesday, 27 January 1999 - 06:32 am
Hey, Warwickshire University people! Why don't you supply a physical address for your university department's office, telephone number, and a contact name. I think you'd be pretty safe from cranks if you use an official address. Also, is this a university-sponsored effort that found Llewellyn's letters or a personal, non-official effort? Which professor is your project lead or sponsor/advisor? Could someone contact him or her about this matter? Either way, someone in England may be able to sit down with you or talk with you, at least. If you've never heard of Paul Begg, you've got a little learning curve to surmount before you can form a sound judgement on what you have and whether it's genuine. Like the Maybrick Diary, someone with knowledge of the case would eventually have to look at the letters anyway. Your spelling of Llewellyn's name may just be typing errors but it may indicate a different animal altogether. Hey, Tail-spin! Yaz
Author: Paul Begg Wednesday, 27 January 1999 - 07:05 am
I'm deeply intrigued by "Warcs Uni", mainly because there is no such place as Warwickshire University. There is a University of Warwick, which is an entirely different thing, and I'm reliably assured that nobody at the UoW would describe it as Warwickshire University - folk at these palaces of learning are particular about such things. The UoW also has an extremely large history department, so a reply to simply the history dept. would likely take an age to reach the appropriate person. And the UoW doesn't have anyone deeply interested in the Ripper on the staff. And finally, the Press Officer there feels convinced that he'd know about any such discovery as the Llewellyn letters. He thinks this post is bogus. I do apologise to "Warcs Uni" if he/she is genuine and if the Llewellyn letters actually exist, but you'll not blame anyone for being just a tad sceptical about anyone who makes claims such as yours and doesn't provide an e-mail address.
Author: Bob_c Wednesday, 27 January 1999 - 08:01 am
Hi Paul, I had the same thoughts as you at first so I checked up a link and got the e-mail address 'history@uni.co.uk'. I've not written myself to them as I don't want to butt in, but if you like I'll try to find out what's behind it and who it is. Regards, Bob
Author: Tailspin Wednesday, 27 January 1999 - 11:23 am
Hiya to everyone! How are you all? I think that Paul's letter was correct, and that the Warcs Uni people/person are frauds!!!! If, however, I am wrong, which I am not usualy, then I apologise but I will need to see proof. Anyway I will see what's up tomorrow and write again. See ya TS
Author: Robert Wednesday, 27 January 1999 - 01:20 pm
Hear, hear, Paul, the 'Warcs Uni' postings stink - they're BOGUS.
Author: Yazoo Wednesday, 27 January 1999 - 02:55 pm
Hey, All! I thought as much as the rest of you...especially the not knowing Paul Begg -- how could they even know about Llewellyn and NOT have heard of Paul! -- misspelling Llewellyn's name, asking for "information" on a public web site about a discovery they'd probably want published in a scholarly journal (or gasp, the press!), yaddada, yaddada. And here I was, hoping someone would cue in to my reference to the Maybrick Diary (forgery). All my cleverness for naught -- or should I say Mac"naught"en in honor of our "History" friends at Warcs U.? Heehee! But I think the doofuses are right and properly nabbed. Ho-hum. Very tedious, you little pranksters, you! Why don't you go study Introductory Biology -- look for dirty pictures in your text books? Paul (aka "Eliot Ness") Begg! You da man! Yaz
Author: Warcs Uni Wednesday, 27 January 1999 - 03:50 pm
OK, 1st things first. Warcs Uni is Warwickshire Uni in the US!! The 'gopher' is from the UK and put that down for some strange reason!! About the letters - The name is certainly Dr. Llwellyn NOT Llewellyn SORRY to disappoint you! Thanks to you, the whole SKEP. bunch of you!, we are now looking into the authenticity of the letters, we were too preoccupied to make a breakthrough then check this. We have looked up the Maybrick diary and have substantial evidence to associate the two together. Thank you for your 'co-operation' you have 'shown us the light', so to speak! and we would like to have any info about a DR Llwellyn. Thanks Warcs Uni
Author: Doh! Wednesday, 27 January 1999 - 03:57 pm
Hi guys! Nice name Tail-Spin sounds like a cartoon!! I like YAZOO as well! What's up? I'm just looking into JtR(cool abv.) and was wonderin' if you could help me. I live in Paul, nr Hull and I've gotta do some research on JtR! If anyone has any theories to help me, original ones - prizes to the kid with the best research - then could they please post it up for me. I've thought of a theory - What if a 'detective' was in on the job, he would be at the scene of the crimes. Not record any incriminating evidence and let his companion have the wombs. They were probably trying to make a cure for something and they needed tissue from wombs - thus the missing wombs. I'll try and think of a cool name, won't be as good as yours!! Gotta go bye! bis bald!! GERMAN!
Author: Doh! Wednesday, 27 January 1999 - 04:02 pm
I'm back - a quick note Why does Yazoo refer to Macnaughten? I thought this was a legal term used for insanity. It dated back to when an American(I think) shot the presidents secretary and was the first legally insane person on trial. It is now often used in murder and rape cases('specially in USA) and was used by JOHN GRISHAM in his book "A TIME TO KILL", very good. Doh!
Author: Robert Wednesday, 27 January 1999 - 04:44 pm
Well, well. Warcs Uni is in the USA is it? How come the co.uk in the email address given? The fact that the name Llewellyn is misspelt is perhaps an indication of the credibilty we may accord to this wonderful 'find.' As this latest post by Warcs Uni now associates their 'find' with the highly dubious diary then we may safely proclaim this as so much humbug (when will it all end?). As for Doh, (sounds like a cartoon), I find it hard to believe that someone accessing these message boards and the Casebook even needs to ask for theories. There are enough to be found to last a year! His best bet would be to carry on developing his own theory (everyone else does) and I wonder why he is asking for anyone else's. By the way, the Macnaughten rules applied to insanity, here we are talking about Sir Melville b{Macnaghten}, head of the C.I.D. from June 1889. Au revoir! FRENCH!
Author: Bob_c Thursday, 28 January 1999 - 12:20 am
Hi all, I've had a go on the net for Warcs Uni USA yesterday and haven't found anything yet, it is clear that with a UK E-handle, you don't usually go looking elsewhere. I am a researcher in the University of Natural Sciences, Emden. That gives me all chances to enquire further, while we have good contacts to many Unis in the US, student exchange and so on. If the people are genuine, then they will understand that we check up before we do anything else, just like they do. If they're not genuine, then they're the same as all the other bums of their type, absolutely certain that everyone else is dumb. In that case get a life, children. There is a tendency in the ripper board at the moment for a number of this sort to start up. Why they have to do that when they could just as well bust up telephone boxes, beat up old ladies, set fire to hospitals or bomb kindergartens is beyond me. Bob
Author: Robert Thursday, 28 January 1999 - 12:50 am
I agree Bob. This is a field of research where most all the facts available on the case have been seen or used and there is very little really new to be found. Many find this frustrating and for whatever reason seem to have to invent something new brfore they can come up with their own half-cocked theory. Let's get this straight. Anyone who states that they have found something new (especially contemporary evidence) on the murders is going to be looked at, rightly, with the greatest suspicion. The message is BEWARE of anyone claiming to have something new.
Author: Bob_c Thursday, 28 January 1999 - 01:58 am
Hi Robert, ..and especially then claiming that their e-mail dosen't work etc. etc. Of course I would love to find a book written and signed by Jack with maps, action photos, medical opinions, timetables and genuine signed copies of admission by the victims who their murder was, and all in original. The chances of doing that are not to be considered as being specially great. Regards, Bob
Author: Bob_c Thursday, 28 January 1999 - 02:27 am
OK Smart guys, Her is a list of all Universities/Colleges with the name beginning with 'W' in the whole of the USA: Wabash College - Crawfordsville, Indiana Wagner College - Staten Island, New York Wake Forest University - Winston-Salem, North Carolina Walden University - Minneapolis, Minnesota Walla Walla College - College Place, Washington Walsh University - North Canton, Ohio Warner Pacific College - Portland, Oregon Warner Southern College - Lake Wales, Florida Warren Wilson College - Asheville, North Carolina Wartburg College - Waverly, Iowa Washburn University - Topeka, Kansas Washington & Lee University - Lexington, Virginia Washington and Jefferson College - Washington, Pennsylvania Washington Bible College / Capital Bible Seminary - Lanham, Maryland Washington College - Chestertown, Maryland Washington State University - Pullman, Washington Washington State University - Spokane - Spokane, Washington Washington State University - Tri-Cities - Richland, Washington Washington State University - Vancouver - Vancouver, Washington Washington University - St. Louis, Missouri Wayland Baptist University - Plainview, Texas Wayne State College - Wayne, Nebraska Wayne State University - Detroit, Michigan Waynesburg College - Waynesburg, Pennsylvania Webb Institute - Glen Cove, New York Webber College - Babson Park, Florida Weber State University - Ogden, Utah Webster University - St. Louis, Missouri Wellesley College - Wellesley, Massachusetts Wells College - Aurora, New York Wentworth Institute of Technology - Boston, Massachusetts Wesley College - Dover, Delaware Wesleyan College - Macon, Georgia Wesleyan University - Middletown, Connecticut West Chester University of Pennsylvania - West Chester, Pennsylvania West Liberty State College - West Liberty, West Virginia West Texas A&M University - Canyon, Texas West Virginia State College - Institute, West Virginia West Virginia University - Morgantown, West Virginia West Virginia University - Parkersburg, West Virginia West Virginia University Institute of Technology - Montgomery, West Virginia West Virginia Wesleyan College - Buckhannon, West Virginia Westbrook College - Portland, Maine Western Baptist College - Salem, Oregon Western Carolina University - Cullowhee, North Carolina Western Connecticut State University - Danbury, Connecticut Western Illinois University - Macomb, Illinois Western International University - Phoenix, Arizona Western Kentucky University - Bowling Green, Kentucky Western Maryland College - Westminster, Maryland Western Michigan University - Kalamazoo, Michigan Western Montana College - Dillon, Montana Western New England College - Springfield, Massachusetts Western New Mexico University - Silver City, New Mexico Western Oregon State College - Monmouth, Oregon Western State College - Gunnison, Colorado Western Washington University - Bellingham, Washington Westfield State College - Westfield, Massachusetts Westminster College - New Wilmington, Pennsylvania Westminster College - Salt Lake City, Utah Westminster College - Fulton, Missouri Westminster Theological Seminary - Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Westmont College - Santa Barbara, California Wheaton College - Wheaton, Illinois Wheaton College - Norton, Massachusetts Wheelock College - Boston, Massachusetts Whitman College - Walla Walla, Washingto Whittier College - Whittier, California Whitworth College - Spokane, Washington Wichita State University - Wichita, Kansas Widener University - Chester, Pennsylvania Wilberforce University - Wilberforce, Ohio Wilkes University - Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania Willamette University - Salem, Oregon William Howard Taft University - Santa Ana, California William Jewell College - Liberty, Missouri William Mitchell College of Law - Saint Paul, Minnesota William Paterson College - Wayne, New Jersey William Penn College - Oskaloosa, Iowa William Woods University - Fulton, Missouri Williams Baptist College - Walnut Ridge, Arkansas Williams College - Williamstown, Massachusetts Wilmington College - Wilmington, Ohio Wilmington College - New Castle, Delaware Wilson College - Chambersburg, Pennsylvania Wingate University - Wingate, North Carolina Winona State University - Winona, Minnesota Winston-Salem State University - Winston-Salem, North Carolina Winthrop University - Rock Hill, South Carolina Wittenberg University - Springfield, Ohio Wofford College - Spartanburg, South Carolina Woodbury University - Burbank, California Worcester Polytechnic Institute - Worcester, Massachusetts Wright State University - Dayton, Ohio Ha ha ha. If I've missed any, blame UNINET, not me. If you need the e-mail, full post address, name of the PR-people of each of the above then go www or, if you have real problems, contact me per E. Mine is working and my name on it is real. To all genuine Ripper Boarders. Sorry about the extravagence, but there are those who need to have their noses rubbed in it before they give up. Bob
Author: Paul Begg Thursday, 28 January 1999 - 02:47 am
Hi Actually, I am convinced that there is quite a lot of information 'out there' and awaiting discovery - just look at the quantity of stuff that's emerged during the last ten years. A decade ago we didn't know anything about Kosminski or Ostrog, we had less information than we do now about Druitt. We have uncovered photos of all sorts of people, from Wynne Baxter through detective Le Grand, documents from Monro's memoirs to the Swanson marginalia. So, it is quite possible that lots of new stuff will continue to turn up and letters from Dr. R.R. Llewellyn could be among them. However, any reputable individual looking for help in the analysis and verification of such documents must expect to be met with considerable sceptisicism, especially after the "Diary" and most certainly when they claim that there are definite links with the "Diary". And without blowing my own trumpet, if "Warks Uni" knows anything whatsoever about the "Diary" (and to have found definite links with that document, one must assume that he's done the basic reading) then I suggest that he might know who Paul Begg is, given that his name appears in both books on the "Diary" quite a few times. But if trying to dupe the good folk of this parish gives "Warks Uni" some kind of perverse pleasure, then it's a simple pleasure for a simple mind. I'd rather he did this then knock old ladies on the head. On the other hand, of course, if he is a genuine historian then he'll understand, appreciate and even applaud our considerable caution.
Author: Tailspin Thursday, 28 January 1999 - 03:26 am
Hiya EVERYONE. I think we now all know that the Warcs Uni thing is a big, wild goose chase. The evidence is conclusive and after looking into the text of the letter I think that the person (s) who are writting the prank "leads" should stop know so that the rest of us could get on with talking about a real topic! I hope I don't sound "touchy" but because of this stupid prankster who can't decide or prove wher this uni is, the rest of us can't get on with the debate!!! I do apologise to you all but I would now like to get back onto the topic of JtR and not talk about a none existant uni that could be on Mars for all I care. Helloe and welcome to all that are new and I am glad that you have joined in. I will talk to you after I have calmed down. See ya Tailspin. PS Doh I have some information for you and some books you can read I will list them later along with my theries.
Author: Bob_c Thursday, 28 January 1999 - 03:53 am
Hi Tailspin, The Warcs uni thing isn't a goose chase. I for one are happy with almost anything that comes on the board. Almost all the work we have to do on the board is checking the truth or otherwise of the information (be it false or not) that we get. While we do that, even the dumbest nonsense imaginable brings us to question this or that, and is a learning process for us all. I personally don't even mind being held as an idiot by such pranksters, I've been on the net in this or that chatroom for years and I've met enough and learnt enough to either ignore (not even worth an answer) or to play along with'em until I've got'em (lots of fun, especially at the end). The name of this topic is, 'was there only one killer?'. I don't know what your theories are, put'em on the board if you want comment. I have a "Vermutung, das Jack vielleicht zwei Typen waren. Direkten Beweis gibt es daf�r nicht, aber Gegenbeweis auch nicht. " Regards Bob P.S. Write direct to my e-mail if you really have interest in private comms.
Author: nope Thursday, 28 January 1999 - 10:57 am
Well...seeing as all of you have been busy discussing the w.u for a while, I thought I'd drop back to the was there one or two killers thing... Don't you think that if this theory about one of them (if there indeed would be 2)being the more well...how shall I put it...a dominant personality, then there would be a substantial risk of the weaker one blabbing away. Somebody who follows a companion into something like this being in himself weaker tends to be the kind of person with a need to show himself and let people know of his accomplishments. Due to this, I am rather sceptical to the double killer theory. Even though people in Whitechapel at that time, and even today, are probably not too keen on the police, I do believe that anybody who heard someone say he was Jack the Ripper would have told so. I can believe the double killers if they were both equally strong...but that rarely tends to happen, now does it? I know you're gonna start throwing the hillside stranglers at me and stuff...but they were caught... I very much doubt the jtr murders are the kind of murders shared,....they are so sexual in their nature that I believe the killing was a very very private moment...I don't think it would have been something shared. Sexual murders where there are no traces of rape often seems to be sexual in a much stronger way than those where rape and/or necrophilia has been involved. I can believe that 2 men, 2 psychopaths, could have shared raping and ripping up a prostitute...but in this way? No. Now, let me take the blazing fire w
Author: Caroline Thursday, 28 January 1999 - 11:02 am
Hi all! Don't you think that this stuff and nonsense has all the hallmarks of our dear friend Anonymous? I can't believe he's got you all running around like blue ...ed flies, trying to analyse this load of you know what! Talk about a waste of time. Mr A, I have got your number, and if you are trying to stop people getting at the truth, for whatever perverse motive, you are sadly wasting your own time, which is running out fast. There are others who know about my own research, who don't even see these boards, and they will see to it that my findings will out. You are therefore free to dupe anyone else you choose dear boy. Love, Caroline
Author: Caroline Thursday, 28 January 1999 - 11:10 am
Hi nope, Can I assume you are at least for real? My theory, for what it's worth, is that JtR2 only killed once or possibly twice under JtR1's supervision. He was probably told by JtR1, in no uncertain terms, that he would drop himself in the mire if he tried to blab, and would probably not be believed anyway. Love, Caroline
Author: Bob_c Thursday, 28 January 1999 - 11:12 am
Hi Caroline, Gi'im what 'e deserves, m'Dear. I have wanted to ask you for some time, do you live, or have you lived, in one of the southwest counties? (Dorset, Somerset, Devon..) Love, Bob