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JACK THE RIPPER MYSTERY SOLVED!
Casebook Message Boards: Ripper Suspects: General Discussion :
JACK THE RIPPER MYSTERY SOLVED!
Author: Robert Maloney
Saturday, 14 December 2002 - 06:21 pm |        | While on the subject....
Among a group of books I recently purchased (none of which I've had the chance to read) is one called, 'How The Scots Invented The Modern World - The True Story of How Western Europe's Poorest Nation Created Our World & Everything in It'. By Arthur Herman.
A quick scan of the index suggests that the MacDonald clan might deserve a good portion of the credit for this, as that name has the most listings in the book...not too shabby-genteel!
Rob |
Author: The Viper
Saturday, 14 December 2002 - 07:16 pm | | There is always Coroner Rod 'The Mod' MacDonald. He was born on the Isle of Skye. Don't know about poetry, but he was a renouned lyricist. First Cut is the Deepest?
Regards, V. |
Author: Ivor Edwards
Saturday, 14 December 2002 - 07:47 pm | | Hi David,
Thanks for the coments you made. During my research I concluded what you have stated about the killer being a local man. I am convinced
that his plans in part focused on the fact that he was using an address ( or bolt hole ) smack bang in the middle of his killing zone and that these two factors complimented each other.
To All.
Some authors pick a suspect and weave a story around him and many people on these boards do the same thing without bothering to find a motive prior to proceeding.Not enough attention is given to ascertain the motive. Once the motive is known then most of the unanswered questions would become clearer.
People ask.
Why did he take the body parts ?
why did he only kill 5 women and then stop?
Why were four of the victims killed due East, North, South, and West ?
Why was kelly the only victim mutilated so badly ?
Why kill prostitutes ?
The only motive which can answer all of these questions and more in a most satisfactory manner is that of occult ritual murder.
Every one of these questions is highly relevant in a motive of occult ritual murder and this is not the case with any other motive.Sometimes it pays to find the motive first before looking for the killer. |
Author: Christopher T George
Saturday, 14 December 2002 - 08:04 pm | | Hi, Jeff:
The writer Thomas Hardy was a kinsman of Admiral Sir Thomas Hardy but not a descendant.
Best regards
Chris George |
Author: Christopher T George
Saturday, 14 December 2002 - 08:08 pm | | Hi, Ivor:
Your suspect, Roslyn D'Onston, stayed in the area but would not fit most people's criteria as being a "local man."
Best regards
Chris George |
Author: Brian Schoeneman
Saturday, 14 December 2002 - 08:59 pm | | Ivor,
Wouldn't the motive of "sexual serial homicide" also answer that question as well as "occult ritual murder"?
B |
Author: Ivor Edwards
Saturday, 14 December 2002 - 09:38 pm | | | Hi Chris, Very valid point and I am sure you are correct and I was a bit unsure myself about his "local" standing.D'Oston did work in the area of Limehouse near Whitechapel and it swayed me.But he only stayed in Whitechapel some weeks prior to the murders and then left some weeks after they had ceased.This is just another point which makes him such a likely suspect. |
Author: Ivor Edwards
Saturday, 14 December 2002 - 10:23 pm | | Hi Brian,On some points yes but on others no. In short a sexual serial killer would not fit ALL of the criteria but an occult ritual murderer would.For one example I do not know of a case where a sexual serial killer would place 4 victims at the 4 points of a compass in such a small area under such circumstances. I know why an occultist would do so. People involved in black magic in England have been known in recent times to kill cats and bury them in gardens at the four points of the compass. Such acts are part and parcel of the craft.On the Island where I live a group of people involved in Black magic ( one being a high ranking policeman )were conducting their black magic rituals using symbols on known lay lines.Such lines and occult symbols are believed by many to generate unseen forces. Such symbols can be found on my plans of Whitechapel and D'Onston went so far as to state that such symbols were indeed used in the murders.To be quite frank Brian I have never cared two hoots who JTR was because I knew that even if I was told his name it would mean nothing to me. My interests have always been how ? and why? rather than who? When I started my research I worked on the former rather than the latter.If D'onston had kept his big mouth shut and never wrote letters on the murders no one would have ever placed him in the frame.But like Neil Cream and other before him ( and after ) he had an ego etc and was filled with his own self importance and felt he was far superior to others.
PS Also sexual serial killers in the main try to hide their victims. JTR made no such effort he left his victims slap bang where he knew they would or could be found within minutes of the murder taking place. You will find that many occult killers do the same all over the world.This is done for several reasons one being for effect |
Author: Jeff Bloomfield
Sunday, 15 December 2002 - 01:47 am | | Hi Chris,
Interesting to find out that Thomas Hardy the
admiral was a collateral relative to Thomas Hardy
the novelist/poet. Which, given the quote from
the McCabe biography that I typed out, means the
creator of "Tess" and "The Mayor of Casterbridge"
was also the distant cousin of half of America's
most beloved comedy duo.
Being related to a British Admiral doesn't mean
that you have a pleasnt career or reputation.
Dr. Edward William Pritchard (executed, Glasgow,
July 1865), was from a naval family with an
Admiral in it.
Best wishes,
Jeff |
Author: Brian Schoeneman
Sunday, 15 December 2002 - 01:54 am | | Ivor,
That's an interesting point - I'll have to read your book to get more of your theory. 
I don't entirely disagree, but I will point out that many sexual serial killers have the weirdest kinds of fetishes...maybe ours had a fetish with maps.
As for the actual identity, I tend to agree...more likely than not we're dealing with an unknown person, who has vanished into history without leaving much of a paper trail
B |
Author: Ivor Edwards
Sunday, 15 December 2002 - 03:41 am | | Brian,
One guy I wrote about in my book had a really weird sexual map fetish and if I lived to be 500 years old I would never get to understand it. It put me off maps for ages !!! |
Author: Christopher T George
Sunday, 15 December 2002 - 09:30 am | | Hi, Jeff:
Shouldn't that be one-half of Britain's most beloved comedy duo? 
Interesting that a number of the comic geniuses who made it in America are either English or have English parents, e.g., Bob Hope, Cary Grant, Charlie Chaplin, Stan Laurel, Mike Myers. I am sure there are others as well. I have heard that Kim Cattrell and Halle Berry have Merseyside roots, or at least Halle's mother, who is a white retired registered nurse, is from Liverpool, and Cattrell was born there but grew up in Canada, like Myers, Canadian-born but with Liverpool-born parents.
All the best
Chris |
Author: Jeff Bloomfield
Sunday, 15 December 2002 - 11:50 am | | Ahem - I stand corrected (although Sean Connery
would have said one half of Scotland's best
comedy team).
Keaton was also of English descent. And several
film and television stars have Canadian connections (Mary Pickford, Raymond Massey - whose
half brother Vincent was Governor General of
Canada, John Candy, Christopher and Amanda Plummer). For that matter, I may have only been
an amateur actor in high school, but I have a
great grandfather from Birmingham, England.
Jeff |
Author: Christopher T George
Sunday, 15 December 2002 - 02:50 pm | | Hi, Jeff:
We might also mention Jim Carrey, Dan Ackroyd, and David Steinberg as other Canadians of prodigious comedic talent.
Could comedian Michael Myers, the man behind the James Bond spoof, "Austin Powers," be behind the Maybrick Diary? This news just in: Myers in a recent interview revealed that his late father "worked for Dunlop Tyres outside Liverpool as a rubber technician"--the same place where Anne Graham's late father, Billy Graham, worked! 
All the best
Chris
Is Mike Myers the Man Behind the Maybrick Diary? |
Author: Andy & Sue Parlour
Sunday, 15 December 2002 - 03:16 pm | | To CTG,
Here's one Chris. Did you know that the 'King of the One-Liners', 'American' comic, Henny Youngman was born in Whitechapel?
Andy. |
Author: Christopher T George
Sunday, 15 December 2002 - 03:20 pm | | Hi, Andy:
Didn't know that Henny Youngman was born in Whitechapel. Interesting to know. Thanks for that nugget.
All the best
Chris |
Author: Christopher T George
Sunday, 15 December 2002 - 03:22 pm | | Hi, Jeff:
When you say Keaton, do you mean Buster, Michael, or Diane?
all the best
Chris |
Author: Jeff Bloomfield
Sunday, 15 December 2002 - 11:18 pm | | Hi Chris,
I meant Buster, most definitely. In fact, he
was one of the many Hollywood stars who appeared
in an over-the-centuries historical drama about
a London townhouse, FOREVER AND A DAY, that was
made in World War II. All of them were of English
ancestry or were from England directly. Actually
they were from British ancesty - Ray Milland, who
was Welsh, had a role in it. Others included
Aubrey Smith, Cedric Hardwicke, Claude Rains,
Charles Laughton, Edward Everett Horton, Gladys
Cooper, and Roland Young. Keaton (a handyman
working with Hardwicke, a plumber) helped install
a bathtub and shower - and his role was silent.
Best wishes,
Jeff |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Monday, 16 December 2002 - 06:58 am | | Dear Robert,
Further food for thought..."Glencoe And The Indians",(Ranald MacDonald 'the hero of Japan'and the Indian MacDonalds of Montana in tribal dress!)
and "A Dance Called America". Both by James Hunter.
Rosey :-) |
Author: Robert Maloney
Monday, 16 December 2002 - 10:09 am | | O.k. Rosey, they're on their way...
Rob |
Author: Warwick Parminter
Monday, 16 December 2002 - 08:31 pm | | Viper, I owe you an apology, I asked you for information regarding Millers Court and if there was possibly a way out at the top end of the yard. Thank you for your answer, and I'm sorry I've been so long acknowledging it.
Rick |
Author: The Viper
Tuesday, 17 December 2002 - 03:46 am | | | No worries, Rick. Regards, V. |
Author: Goryboy
Thursday, 06 February 2003 - 08:08 am | | Sors:
In keeping with the theme of this board (JACK THE RIPPER MYSTERY SOLVED!), and in the spirit of Ms Cornball, I hereby reprint the immortal column published near here one (1) year ago this week, by the immortal (or is that immoral?) Steve Haddon, in which he cleverly deduces the true identity of the Whitechapel Fiend as none other than.....well, I'll let you read it for yourselves:
Author: Steve Haddon
Wednesday, 13 February 2002 - 07:07 pm
As a student of the case for over a year now, or at least the equivalent in lunchtimes and however long it takes me to eat a Kit Kat, I feel I have reached some very important conclusions. Some of these conclusions may shock you. Others may make you sneeze. Frankly I can't account for what might happen to you if you read them, but my advice is put on some very warm socks and if, like me, you have a petit but beautiful moustache, be careful to shield it with cotton wool or at the very least some sort of contraption made of sticky tape wrapped around a paper bag.
CONCLUSIONS
* Absolutely conclusive evidence has never been brought forward against any suspect, without exception. The only obvious deduction from this is that there was a CONSPIRACY OF SUSPECTS. All the suspects were collaborating and protecting each other and the true killer.
* Is it a coincidence that many of the suspects are LUNATICS, just the sort of man we would expect Jack to be! This is further proof that the suspects were "in on the joke".
* The killer killed only at night. This suggests he was an owl. Should this theory fail to identify the killer straight away, we will entertain the possibility that he was a goat, or at the very least some sort of puffin masquerading as a postman.
* Severin Klosowski, Abberline's favourite suspect, was a barber. It is possible that he shaved and trimmed all the major male suspects, police officers, journalists and relatives of the victims. Therefore, the only inescapable conclusion is that Klosowski was an information exchange, double agent who supplied the police with false tip-offs and co-ordinated the activities of the Conspiracy Of Suspects.
Why did he poison his wives? To look at his photograph, he is a man of secrets. But maybe he TALKED IN HIS SLEEP.
Why was Klosowski talking to the police? It is my contention that he was warning them of the murders to come. During a short back and sides, the barber would hum a tune that hinted at the location of the next murder. Unfortunately, most policemen are tone deaf.
- 8 September. Annie Chapman's murder. Just hours before, Sergeant Thick was seen with his hair looking "particularly neat and trim". COINCIDENCE?
- 25 September. Not long before the "double event". A police secretary notices that Abberline's sideburns have lost some of their "luxuriant thickness", and that he is experimenting with a paper and comb and asking everyone if they recognize a haunting melody. SYNCHONICITY?
- 3 November. Barnaby and Burgho, celebrity bloodhounds recently retired from the case, are seen to have "neat, short whiskers" according to MRS P MURGATROYD. "They looked sort of smug like," she went on. "As if they knew something." Dogs can name a tune. SERENDIPITY?
Everywhere you look, connections between the suspects proliferate. Few know that W.H. BURY was J.K.STEPHEN's niece. Or that FRANCIS TUMBLETY babysat for DR WILLIAM GULL's third child COGNAC GULL when GULL went out on the town with his cronies AARON DAVIS COHEN (who was escaping from the asylum every night cunningly disguised as a reel of dental floss) and a flamboyantly dressed MICHAEL OSTROG (or MONTAGUE JOHN DRUITT, as he was calling himself in the autumn of '88).
* There is little doubt that the killer committed suicide after Kelly's murder, thus bringing to an end his reign of terror. But to one so used to the limelight, how could he bear to die alone and unreported?
Not so! JTR was relying on the intelligence of the media and police...an intelligence that they didn't not haven't!
The LUSK KIDNEY was none other than JACK THE RIPPER'S OWN KIDNEY! He cut off half of it and sent it to Lusk, under the false impression that Lusk was an international kidney expert. ("Sor" is an honorary term for such an expert. Hence Sor Arthur Cohen Doily).
Thus - or so - over the next weeks and months he was dying of ONE HALF KIDNEY DISEASE.
This brings us to the inescapable conclusion:
Jack the Ripper was JAMES MAYBRICK'S PET OWL.
Why? Again and again we have the same motifs - birds, barbers, brutal and horrifying death. William GULL. SWEENY TODD (no-one can prove he wasn't in Whitechapel in 1888). THE BIRDS from Alphred Hitchgull's THE BIRDS. GLADSTONE BAG, GLADSTONE - the original black shiny back that JAMES MAYBRICK's OWL used to store its weapons of torture, prominent British politician - COINCIDENCE?
And to tie it all together, LEATHER APRON, JOHN PIZER, who used to feed JAMES MAYBRICK's PET OWL in KLOSOWSKI's barber shop. Everyone knows owls are messy eaters, hence the apron.
Definitive proof: if we take account of the fact that Chapman was the work of a copycat killer (cleverly mimicking the later murders), and we have the initials of the victims thus:
NSKE
Witnesses [I]srael Schwartz and [D]iemschutz were of course in on the crimes (someone had to supervise, after all this is an OWL we're talking about here), assisted by [I]senschmid and of course [N]etley to drive the coach.
What do we have?
NSKEIDIN
And of course the murders took place in the [E]ast end, didn't they?
NISE KIDNE
Tell me that's a coincidence. I dare you. Tell me. Go on.
REMAINING QUESTIONS
* Could the killer be certain that killing his victims would lead to their deaths? Remember, this was 1888.
* If we plot all of the suspects, victims and police officers on a map of Whitechapel, then join them together with lines, we get an unholy mess. Why?
* The Goulston Street Grafitto - could an owl be taught to write? And with chalk?
All in all, we will never be sure who Jack the Ripper really was, except for the certainty that he was JAMES MAYBRICK's PET OWL. We have left some questions for future generations of researchers, but mostly we've solved everything and been incredibly clever.
Steve |
Author: Dan Norder
Thursday, 06 February 2003 - 01:37 pm | | Makes more sense than some things I've seen posted here. 
Dan
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Author: AP. Wolf
Thursday, 06 February 2003 - 01:47 pm | | Goryboy
I must say that your explanation is not only the most lucid and riveting that I have ever read, it is also the most entertaining.
As regards your owl and goat theory, have you considered the possibility of a goat-sucker as your suspect. This is a night bird that can be mistaken for an owl and was thought - in 1888 - to suck on the blood of goats at night.
This sounds like a guilty bird to me. |
Author: Goryboy
Thursday, 06 February 2003 - 07:25 pm | | Dear Dan and AP:
Please give all credit to Steve Haddon, not me. He's the one who wrote the above post. I merely reprint it here out of admiration, boredom and a severe case of the piles.
(Also, it segues nicely to a resurrection of my own "pet" theory that JTR was a demented Chinese puffin, cunningly disguised as a blood-sucking goat).
Thank you, Honolablre Lound-Eyes |
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