Author: brudog
Friday, 08 October 1999 - 09:37 am |        |
also, does the number 38 mean anything to any of
you |
Author: George Wagner
Friday, 15 October 1999 - 01:56 pm | |
| Can anyone tell me whether Montague John Druitt was known to his family as "Monty" or "Jack"? If it was the former, I think he can be discounted as a suspect. But if it was the latter.... |
Author: anon
Friday, 15 October 1999 - 02:37 pm | |
| Who is George Wagner?? |
Author: Jim DiPalma
Friday, 15 October 1999 - 03:16 pm | |
Hi All,
George, what if Montague John Druitt were known to his family by both the nicknames you've suggested?? In that case, his status as a suspect would be very cheesy.
Sorry, couldn't resist. I'll go away now.
Jim |
Author: Poopaloodia
Friday, 15 October 1999 - 04:24 pm | |
Interestingly, MJD was known to his family as "Jack the Ripper" during childhood. When playing an exciting game of slapjack, Master Montague would strike the pile when a jack was thrown so sharply that the jack on the top would often be torn, hence the nickname. Of course, since no real connection to the evidence of the case can be shown in this regard, Ripperologists have wisely steered clear of the matter. Only when true, real connections appear, such as the obvious inculpating clay pipe found in Mary Jane Kelly's room, does the weight of the science descend.
Poopaloodia |
Author: George Wagner
Friday, 15 October 1999 - 11:45 pm | |
Dear Anon (et al)
To answer your question - 58 years old, semi-retired new, used & rare bookdealer (about 36 years in the field), born and raised in Northern Kentucky, just across the Ohio River from Cincinnati, where I've lived the past 22 years.
Am nationally-known as a historian/archivist of old time radio shows, circa 1920-1960. (Hey, we all have to get our 15 minutes of fame somewhere)
Have been interested in the Ripper Mystery for 40 years - and am simply delighted to have found you people at last! |
Author: anon
Saturday, 16 October 1999 - 01:45 am | |
| Thank you very much and welcome. |
Author: Caz
Saturday, 16 October 1999 - 07:07 am | |
Hi George,
I don't suppose you could find a rare Victorian novel for me, could you?
There was only ever one edition published, in 1896, and its title was 'A Woman With A History', a typically moralistic and semi-melodramatic tale apparently. The author was none other than my hapless suspect for JtR, (Walter) Weedon Grossmith, so I'd love to learn more about this far from prolific author's work, however dull a read it might prove.
I'm a cheeky little so-and-so trying to conduct a bit of business via this website, aren't I? :-)
Best wishes,
Caz |
Author: karoline
Saturday, 16 October 1999 - 07:25 am | |
Caz,
George may know better, but you could try Jarndyce (in Gt.Russell St. I think) They specialise in 19th C. books. Expensive mind you. |
Author: Caz
Monday, 18 October 1999 - 01:44 am | |
Cheers Karoline.
I'll try them. I did think a few copies may have found their way across the pond, since old Weedy was better-known in the States than here in England, much to his chagrin when he returned in 1887 from one of several acting tours to find no one here had heard of him :-)
Thanks again.
Love,
Caz |
Author: Calogridis
Thursday, 11 November 1999 - 09:52 am | |
Howdy Caz,
Good luck with the Weed Man! But I've been lately thinking about Old Monty. Who better to be carrying a piece of chalk in Goulston Street(although I've heard it was plentiful in the area- but might be hard to find in the dark?!) than a school teacher. I've also wondered if the police found some damning evidence either on his person (at death) or in his apartment to back up his timely suicide. This based on the police stance that the Ripper had drowned in the Thames. Best wishes.
Cheers......Mike |
Author: Calogridis
Thursday, 11 November 1999 - 10:04 am | |
Howdy Caz,
Good luck with the Weed Man! But I've been lately thinking about Old Monty. Who better to be carrying a piece of chalk in Goulston Street(although I've heard it was plentiful in the area- but might be hard to find in the dark?!) than a school teacher. I've also wondered if the police found some damning evidence either on his person (at death) or in his apartment to back up his timely suicide. This based on the police stance that the Ripper had drowned in the Thames. Best wishes.
Cheers......Mike |
Author: Caz
Friday, 12 November 1999 - 12:27 am | |
Howdy Mike!
You leave my poor old Monty alone, d'ya hear?
Serial killers do not normally feel so depressed about their behaviour that they top themselves. They normally don't think they've done a thing to be ashamed of. I believe his suicide was directly connected with his dismissal in disgrace from the school. And between you and me I don't think he strangled and mutilated the school cook! Because of the head's apparent silence regarding the reason for Druitt's sacking, I think he was probably found to be a homosexual who got just a wee bit too friendly with one of his pupils....sadly a classic at any boys' school in England, then and now. Sorry Monty, if you are listening out there somewhere, but at least I don't believe you were Jack :-)
Love,
Caz |
Author: ChrisGeorge
Friday, 12 November 1999 - 07:46 am | |
Hi, Mike:
Yes I believe the cops found in Monty's pocket a crib sheet on how to write the graffito (just so he could spell "Jewes" right) and a zippo lighter so he see while he crouched down to write the words. :-)
Chris George |
Author: Calogridis
Friday, 12 November 1999 - 07:35 pm | |
Howdy Caz & Chris,
Chris, 'zippo lighter' nice touch. I like it.
Yeah I know the graffito is a hot potato. Me thoughts is the Ripper lived in the immediate vicinity of those Wentworth buildings on Goulston Street where he dropped the bloody rag. He may have felt he had an opportunity to loiter for a minute. Also, since he hated his Jewish neighbors (who may have shared the same building with him), why not try to directly implicate them? This is a pattern throughout.
Caz, sorry I didn't know you felt so strongly about Old Monty! You know that's the darn problem with this JtR puzzle- no real evidence. Krazy Koz is about as close as you get to having an iota of possible evidence. And even that is thin. So Monty's an enigma. I wonder what if they found a bloody knife and bloody shoes in Monty's crib (hypothetically). Since this is well before the days of DNA testing, there's still not a shred of real evidence against him. So even incriminating evidence on his person doesn't seal the deal. Best wishes.
Cheers....Mike |
Author: Caz
Monday, 15 November 1999 - 01:53 am | |
Hi Mike and All,
I feel no more strongly about Monty than I do about every suspect whose lives we put under the microscope and come up with various arguments to support them being killers of women.
If the police had any substancial evidence which pointed to Druitt being Jack, what possible reason could there have been in keeping it from the public?
Case solved: killer obviously broke down after the awful glut of Miller's Court, hence his watery suicide. (It was then revealed that the headmaster always had his suspicions about this unhappy man, which were further aroused when he asked Monty who he thought was responsible for the Goulston St. graffito. The hypersensitive teacher replied "I, Druitt,...." then fainted before he could add "....swear I had nothing to do with it. It was Simkins, the English master." Conclusions were drawn....)
Love,
Caz |
Author: Calogridis
Saturday, 20 November 1999 - 06:22 pm | |
G'Day Caz,
You know, I think you've got a very good point there. Godonya. Keep up the good work!
Cheers......Mike |
Author: Calogridis
Thursday, 25 November 1999 - 07:31 am | |
G'Day Caz & Company,
Just a thought on the innocent being blamed for these atrocities. As Rumbelow mentions and as many of us agree, there is a good possibility that the Ripper is not even among our extensive and far-fetched list of suspects. Hence it is possible that all are being unfairly maligned for these heinous crimes.
So is Monty really special? After all, he's one of only three major suspects named in Macnaghten's Memorandum. At least (despite the errors) this is a historical document and should not be dismissed lightly.
I guess Chapman, Cream, Deeming, and Bury deserve to be accused more than Monty and the other innocents because they were already murderers. Still and all, they are the pawns in the game we play. Yeah, it's a three-pipe problem.
Thanksgiving greetings and well-wishes from across the pond!
Cheers.....Mike |
Author: Caz
Thursday, 25 November 1999 - 10:39 am | |
Howdy Doody Mike and all you yankee doodle dandies on this here Thanksgiving Day!
May your turkeys be well stuffed (do you stuff yours? We Brits do but then we stuff everything!) and may your glasses (and pipes) be ever filled with dodgy substances (so says Little Caz who is hovering around).
Lots of love to all,
Caz
P.S. Here is a quick note from Caz Jnr. too, for all you peeps who remember me. Just to say hi to everyone, and happy thanksgiving for all you who celebrate it, with your turkeys and... oh forget it, just read what Mum put. Too tired today. Too much homework.
Love,
L. C. (Little Caz) |
Author: EvenStephen
Thursday, 25 November 1999 - 03:32 pm | |
Caz,
Yes we stuff our turkeys. In fact, I have a theory that we should stuff them with popcorn---then when the back-end blows out of the turkey, you would know its done! I've enjoyed reading the MJD theories. I'm still undecided. I think I will go fill a "bowl" and a glass and watch a movie. Happy Thanksgiving to all from Ohio, USA. |
