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Churchill, Lord Randolph

Casebook Message Boards: Ripper Suspects: Specific Suspects: Later Suspects [ 1910 - Present ]: Churchill, Lord Randolph
Author: Simon Owen
Sunday, 04 June 2000 - 04:03 pm
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Although there is no hard evidence to incriminate him , there is evidence to suggest that Lord Randolph Churchill was the murderer of Mary Kelly and thus , if the same killer killed all five canonical victims , he was Jack the Ripper. Thus it is my intention to use this board to discuss the possibility Lord Randolph was the murderer.
Essentially this is speculation , but it is not my intention to slander the Churchill name , it should be understood that this is a theory only. However Lord Randolph does fit in various ways :
The description of men seen with MJK by George Hutchinson and Thomas Bowyer fits Lord Randolph's description.
He died of syphilis and was possibly insane when he died , it is probable he contracted this disease from a prostitute.
He may have been Dr Gull's mysterious patient ' S ' in that the initial stood for his alias , Mr Spencer.
He was cynical , dissolute and highly intelligent.
He was a nobleman and thus probably able to gralloch a deer , he also had a military background.
He was a Freemason , but Grand Lodge denies that he ever was and there appear to be no records of him ever being so. Yet his name appears in Pick and Knight's book as a noted Freemason , thus there is a serious discrepancy over this.
As a senior member of the House of Commons and a titled nobleman he was able to place himself above the law if he so wished.
He was a suspect for being Jack long before any conspiracies were mooted ( see below ).

Author: Simon Owen
Sunday, 04 June 2000 - 04:12 pm
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From the A-Z , page 80 :
" N.P. Warren , in Ripperana October1992 , reports without citing sources that Lord Randolph was a suspect ' many years before Stowell published his article ' incriminating Prince Albert Victor."
Is anyone able to elaborate further on these rumours or reveal the sources , or can anyone reprint any of Warren's original article here for others to view ?
I intend to repeat Frank Harris's remarks about Lord Randolph here at a later date , not just the famous story of how he contracted syphillis but other anecdotes too.

Author: Simon Owen
Sunday, 11 June 2000 - 04:47 pm
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From ' My Life and Loves ' by Frank Harris ( henceforward referred to merely as Harris ) , page 425 :
" My first meeting with Lord Randolph Churchill impressed me hugely. He was always represented by Punch and the comic papers as a very small man , or even as a boy ,in spite of a ferociously upturned moustache. To my astonishment I found he was a good five feet nine or ten inches in height and carried himself bravely. The peculiarity of his face was seldom or never caricatured ; it consisted of a pair of prominent round grey-blue eyes , well deserving the nickname of goggle-eyes. The face was peculiarly expressive of anger or contempt , but a second glance showed that the features were all fairly regular and the shape of the head quite excellent. Altogether a personable man , but when he spoke in the house he often stood with one hand akimbo on his hip , which , with his thick upturned , dark moustache , gave him a cocky or cheeky look and led the would-be humourists to treat him as an impudent boy ; and he was assuredly lacking in reverence for his elders and supposed leaders in the House of Commons."

Author: Simon Owen
Sunday, 11 June 2000 - 04:53 pm
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Harris , page 372 :
" It was about this time that I first met Lord Randolph Churchill's brother , the Duke of Marlborough....He had as good a mind as his brother , but nothing like Randolph's genius as a captain or a leader of men."

Author: Simon Owen
Sunday, 11 June 2000 - 05:10 pm
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Harris , page 519 :
" A great deal has been written about Lord Randolph Churchill by those like Sir Henry Lucy ( editor of the Daily News ) , who met everyone and knew no-one. And Randolph Churchill was not easy to know. The mere outward facts about him and his career have been set forth by his son in two stout volumes , an admirable official biography distinguished by the remarkable fairness used to explain every incident in his political career , a politician writing of a politician. But of the man himself , his powers , his failings , his quiddities , hardly a soul-revealing word ; yet Winston might , nay ,probably would have written a real life had not Randolph been his father , and had he not had his own political career to consider. However it must be confessed that the sympathy between father and son was very slight. Winston told me once that time and again when he tried to talk seriously on politics , or indeed on anything else , his father snubbed him pitilessly. ' He wouldn't listen to me or consider anything I said. There was no companionship with him possible to me and I tried so hard and so often. He was so self-centred no-one else existed for him. My mother was everything to me. '
So remarkable a personality was Lord Randolph Churchill and such a whispering gallery and sounding board at the same time is London society that it would be almost possible to paint him in his habit as he lived by a series of true anecdotes."

Author: Simon Owen
Monday, 26 June 2000 - 05:20 am
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Harris , p.531 :
"The truth is , as his son has said , Randolph was too much of an aristocrat , too self-centred , too imperious and impatiently irritable to be a good friend. He quarreled with almost everyone..."

Author: Simon Owen
Monday, 26 June 2000 - 05:46 am
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Harris , page 531 - 534 :
Louis Jennings M.P. (1836-1893) was " Randolph's best friend " ( p.530 ) and his loyal follower until 1890. He edited Churchill's ' Speeches , with Notes and Introduction ' ( 1889 ) and had previously been the Editor of the New York Times. It was to Jennings that Randolph revealed the story of how he had apparently caught syphillis ; Harris had stated his view that he believed Randolph's political star would rise again :
" Jennings shook his head : ' Hes not so strong as you think ; in my opinion he's doomed. '. ' What on earth do you mean ? ' I exclaimed. ' I oughtn't to tell it I suppose ' he said , ' but Randolph told it to me casually enough when trying to explain a headache and a fit of depression , and its an interesting story.' Here it is as I heard it from Jennings that evening in Kensington Gore.
' Randolph was not a success at Oxford at first ' Jennings began. ' He never studied or read ; he rode to hounds at every opportunity and he was always as imperious as the devil. But after all , he was the son of a Duke and Blenheim was near and the best set made up to him , as Englishmen do. He was made a member of the Bullingdon Club , the smartest club in Oxford , and one evening he held forth there on his pet idea that the relationship of master and servant in the home of an English gentleman was almost ideal. '' Any talent in the child of a butler or gardener '' he said , '' would be noticed by the master , and of course he'd be glad to give the gifted boy an education and opportunity such as his father could not possibly afford. Something like this should be the relationship between the aristocratic class and the workmen in England : that is Tory democracy as I concieve it. '' Of course the youths all cheered him and complimented him and made much of him , and when the party was breaking up , one insisted on a '' stirrup cup. '' He poured out a glass of old brandy and filled it up with champagne and gave it to Randolph to drink. Nothing loath , Randolph drained the cup and with many good wishes all the youths went out into the night. Randolph assured me that after he had got into the air he remembered nothing more. I must now let Randolph tell his own story."

Author: Simon Owen
Monday, 26 June 2000 - 06:33 am
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Harris , p.532:
" Next morning , " Randolph began , " I woke with a dreadful taste in my mouth , and between waking and sleeping was thunder-struck. The paper on the walls was hideous - dirty - and , as I turned in bed , I started up gasping : there was an old woman lying beside me ; one thin strand of dirty grey hair was on the pillow. How had I got there ? What had happened to bring me to such a den ? I slid out of bed and put on shirt and trousers as quietly as I could , but suddenly the old woman in the bed awoke and said , smiling at me , ' Oh, Lovie , you're not going to leave me like that ? '
She had one yellow tooth in her top jaw that waggled as she spoke. Speechless with horror , I put my hand in my pocket and threw all the money I had loose on the bed. I could not say a word. She was still smiling at me ; I put on my waistcoat and coat and fled from the room. ' Lovie , you're not kind! ' I heard her say as I closed the door after me . Downstairs I fled in livid terror. In the street I found a hansom and gave the jarvy the address of a doctor I had heard about. As soon as I got to him , he told me he knew my ' brother and ...' I broke out in wild excitement , ' I want you to examine me at once. I got drunk last night and woke up in bed with an apalling old prostitute. Please examine me and apply some disinfectant. ' Well he went to work and said he could find no sign of any abrasion , but he made up a strong disinfectant and I washed the parts with it ; and all the time he kept on trying to console me , I suppose , with cheap commonplaces. ' There isn't much serious disease in Oxford. Of course , there should be licenced houses , as in France , and weekly or bi-weekly examination of the inmates. But then we hate grandmotherly legislation in England and really , my dear Lord Randolph , I don't think you have serious cause for alarm.' Cause for alarm indeed ; I hated myself for having been such a fool ! At the end I carried away a couple of books on venereal diseases and set at work to devour them. My mind was a nightmare. I made up my mind at once that I deserved gonorrhea for my stupidity. I even prayed to God , as to a maleficent deity , that he might give me that ; I deserved that , but no more , no worse : not a chancre , not syphilis !
There was nothing , not a sign , for a week. I breathed again. Yet I'd have to wait until the twenty-first day before I could be sure that I had escaped syphilis. Syphilis! Think of it , I who was so proud of my wisdom. On the fateful day nothing , not a sign. On the next the fool doctor examined me again : ' Nothing , Lord Randolph , nothing ! I congratulate you. You've got off , to all appearance , scott-free. '
A day later I was to dine with Jowett , the Master of Balliol. It was a Sunday and he had three or four people of importance to meet me. He put me on his left hand ; he was always very kind to me , was Jowett. I talked a lot but drank very sparingly. After that first mad excess , I resolved never to take more than two glasses of wine at any dinner and one small glass of liqueur or brandy with my coffee. I wouldn't risk being caught a second time. I was so thankful to God for my immunity that vows of reform were easy.
In the middle of dinner suddenly I felt a little tickling. Strange ! At once I was alarmed and cold with fear , excused myself and left the room. Outside I asked a footman for the lavatory , went in and looked at myself. Yes ! There was a little , round , very red pimple that tickled. I went out and begged the butler to excuse me to the Master. ' I am feeling very ill,' I said , ' and must go home.'
' You don't look very well ' he replied and in a minute I was in a hansom and on the way to the doctors. Luckily he was in and willing to see me. I told him what brought me and showed him the peccant member. At once he took out his most powerful lens and examined me carefully. When he had finished I asked him , ' Well ? '
' Well, ' he said dispassionately , ' we have there a perfect example of a syphilitic sore ! ' Why I didn't kill him , I don't know. Inwardly I raged that I should have been such a fool. I , who prided myself on my brains , I was going to do such great things in the world , to have caught syphilis ! It was too horrible to think of. Again the fool doctor : ' We must cure it ' he was saying. ' Its incurable ' I retorted , ' all the books admit that '. ' No, no ' he purred on. ' Taken in time we can make it innocuous. Mercury is a sovereign remedy , nothing equal to it , though very , very , depressing. Have you resolution enough to persevere with it ? Thats the question. '. ' You'll see ' I replied. ' Any other advice ? '' Absolute abstention from all alcoholic drink ' he said. ' I'll write you out a regimen , and if you follow it , in a year you will be cured and have no further ill effect'.
To cut a long story short , I did what he told me to do , but I was young and heedless and did not stop drinking in moderation and soon got reckless. Damn it , one can't grieve forever. Yet I have had very few symptoms since and before my marriage. The Oxford doctor , and a London man said I was quite clear of all weakness and perfectly cured."

Author: Simon Owen
Monday, 26 June 2000 - 06:43 am
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Harris , p.534 ( third part of the story ) :
" I was thrilled by the story : was there another chapter to it ? Was this what Jennings meant when he said that Randolph was doomed ? What else did he know or fear ? I had just found about Maupassant , had begun to attribute his ghastly fears to syphilis. But then Maupassant had taken little or no care to cure himself , while Randolph asserted that he had done everything he was told to do. I could not but ask ' Do you think it has injured Randolph's health ? '
'I'm sure of it ' Jennings nodded. ' He has fits of excessive irritability and depression which I don't like. In spite of what he told me , I don't think he took much care. He laughed at secondary symptoms, but now I hear he's going for a long holiday to South Africa under Beit's auspices and that may cure him. At any rate his fate no longer concerns me.'"

Author: Simon Owen
Monday, 26 June 2000 - 06:54 am
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Winston Churchill wrote of his father :
" A veil of the incalcuable shrouded the workings of his complex nature. No-one could tell what he would do , or by what motive , lofty or trivial , of conviction or caprice , of irritation or self-sacrifice , he would be governed."

Author: Simon Owen
Monday, 26 June 2000 - 07:08 am
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Marian Fowler , author of ' Blenheim ' ( 1989 ) :
" What Randolph wanted , using fair means or foul , Randolph always got."
( ' Blenheim ' , p.142 )

Author: Neil K. MacMillan
Thursday, 22 February 2001 - 08:51 pm
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This is one I haven't heard but I shall be intewrested to see how your theory progresses. Kindest Reguards, neil

Author: Martin Fido
Tuesday, 15 May 2001 - 03:19 pm
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Hi, Simon,

I expect you are aware that the initial 'S' given to the suspect by Thomas Stowell in the story he supposedly heard via Sir William Gull's son-in-law was, by Stowell's account, originally going to be 'X', and he changed it to his own initial, 'S' for Stowell, on the recommendation of Nigel Morland, editor of 'the Criminologist'. Of course, Stowell might have told this story as further cover of the 'S' for 'Spencer' Churchill. But Neil might want the warning that an alternative explanation has long held the field.

Martin F

Author: Jeff Bloomfield
Tuesday, 15 May 2001 - 10:22 pm
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Dear Martin,

Very little to add, except about Louis John
Jennings, the friend of Lord Randolph Churchill.
Before he returned to England and became a member
of Parliament, he was the editor of the New York
Times in the early 1870s, and one of the leaders
of the movement to rid New York City of the
Tammany Hall led "Tweed Ring". I read his
memoirs once, and he suggested that the mentor
and friend of Benjamin Disraeli, Lord George
Bentinck, may have been a poisoning victim of
Dr. William Palmer.

Jeff

Author: Simon Owen
Sunday, 15 July 2001 - 07:09 pm
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In July 1886 Randolph became both Chancellor of the Exchequer and Leader of the House of Commons , he seemed to be destined to be the next Prime Minister. However he lighted his career with a reckless move. Critical of the foreign policy and proposed spending on the armed forces , he tried to force through his own budget by threatening to resign if it was not passed ; suprisingly Lord Salisbury the Prime Minister accepted his resignation. Randolph never held high office again although he continued as an MP.
His personal life had already begun to decline - he had become cool towards his wife Jenny and she supected an affair , although she was unswervingly faithful at this time. The difficulties with his son Winston have already been mentioned.
Further problems followed however : the Spencer Churchills got into debt. And Randolph's behaviour became increasingly bizarre and erratic ; a modern theory is that he had a rare form of brain tumour undiagnosed at the time ; the drugs he was taking caused serious side-effects and he was to be in great pain during his last years.

This information taken from the following website : www.geocities.com/Paris/Parc/9893/randolph2.html

Author: Simon Owen
Sunday, 15 July 2001 - 07:21 pm
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LordRandolph

Lord Randolph Churchill , Statesman by Edwin Longsden Long , exhibited 1888 , National Portrait Gallery.

Author: Simon Owen
Sunday, 15 July 2001 - 07:35 pm
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From Prominent Men and Women of the Day by Thomas Herringshaw , AB Gehman and Co. , 1888 :

"A recent writer , Mr Anderson , who has produced an interesting book of pen sketches of British statesmen , draws the following description of Lord Randolph Churchill : ' He is scarcely above the middle height , of slight build and apparently delicate constitution , and has smooth dark brown hair , parted down the middle and thin at the crown. The head is small , the eyes large , the nose short and the cheekbones rather high. Churchill is not eloquent with the eloquence of Gladstone and Bright. He has , indeed , a slight lisp -- an imperfection of vocal delivery which spoils his pronounciation of some of the consonants , particularly the letter s. ' "

Simon

Author: Simon Owen
Sunday, 15 July 2001 - 07:44 pm
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Randy's signature

This is availible from the YouGov site if anyone wants to buy it !

Author: Simon Owen
Sunday, 15 July 2001 - 07:54 pm
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Did Winston Churchill know the nature of his father's terminal illness ? He wrote to his mother thus :

" I have persuaded Dr Roose to tell exactly how Papa was...He told me everything and showed me the medical reports. I have told no-one."

Winston described his father's illness as ' a very rare and ghastly disease'.

Author: Simon Owen
Sunday, 15 July 2001 - 08:05 pm
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J.H. Plumb in Churchill Revised , a Critical Assessment has ' charged that Churchill deliberately doctored the evidence in order to whitewash Lord Randolph's actions , that he quietly suppressed some documents and made little attempt to obtain documents in the possession of others , and that he smothered Randolph's prose in order to place his father in a better light ' ( John Plumpton , Finest Hour 51 , Spring 1986 )

Interestingly , it was the journalist Frank Harris , quoted above , who negotiated the sale of Winston's two volume biography of his father to Macmillan :

" But of the man ( Lord Randolph ) himself , his powers , his failings , his quiddities , hardly a soul-revealing word." ( Harris )

Author: Terrence or Theobald Peter
Tuesday, 07 August 2001 - 11:08 am
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Fredericton, NB
7 August 2001

THE MAN WHO WAS JACK THE RIPPER...
Signature and other evidence...

The man who was Jack the Ripper called himself also the Yahoo! after the cry he often heard at his political rallies.

His signature is in the same hand as that of the logo for this site, as is very obvious, for example, on his certificate of marriage.

His son bought himself a Mauser for use in the Army and called it "The Ripper". He liked to stick it in other men's faces and blow them apart.

When his son became Home Secretary, almost 25 years later, when they were due to be released, he destroyed more than 92% of the files and resealed the rest for another 50 years. Nice.

The pattern of the body sites in the East End of London is the pattern of the Ripper's family residences in England in 1888, including also Birmingham, a seat he coveted.

He is the one Dr. Thomas E. A. stowell tried to tell you about, confusing a few facts -- the son with the father, for example.

The month everyone says the Ripper didn't kill, October, he actually killed the stationmaster down in Wimborne in order to make his getaway.

Before that he set fire to his best friend's castle where he was being kept after he was discovered by his family, covered in blood, the night of the double murder. (That was my birthday, by the way, give or take about 60 years.)

He was of the same bloodline as Princess Diana of Wales, or rather vice versa. (And so am I, by the way, but why do I bother?)

She was born on Canada Day, July 1st.

She died on the anniversary of the first of the "canonical" Ripper murders.

But his real murders began in Austria four years earlier, not far from Spital, not Spitalfields.

He wrote the Bishop of London, his former tutor, "Some think me erratic, but everything I do is keyed to dates and events in that book you taught me to love, Gibbon's Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire."

All the murders, including another two, took place on those dates.

He had three other books he loved and often referred to:

One was a book of railroad timetables. All his crimes, or most, including the murder of the young stationmaster (on the eve of his wedding) took place along railroad lines, including Green Dragon Yard, in the east End of London.

Another was the Illustrated London Almanack for the year of his birth. The essay for the month of his birth is a long description of the different ways to carve different meats. It reads in part like a post mortem of his victims.

His other favourite tome was a book about how the new technology, steam, was changing not only man's means of locomotion but his relationships in general.

It is called "The Age of Steam."

Its author is Charles Ripper.

How come you don't know his name?

Doesn't anyone want to?

Look at all the ways he signed his name, including at the head of this web site.

Arthur Conan Doyle was right, by the way, he had spent a lot of time in the United States, especially at Bar Harbor, Maine.

His wife was an American.

So was his brother's.

He had an electric dynamo in his basement in the West End not far from Paddington.

There were already bodies buried there BEFORE he moved in.

Most of those were from centuries before.

His murders in London began around the corner from him on Edgware Road.

That is where six women were killed in a fire at Garrould's Silk Mercers, on May 30, 1888.

They were draper's assistants.

Scotland Yard assigned Inspector Draper to the Case.

Before that he set a fire using the same method and about the same hour in Scotland Yard itself.

That was in a bucket half full of carbon just outside the Black Museum and the place where they kept the files on Missing Persons.

The month he "didn't kill" the dismembered body of a woman was discovered in the foundations of the New Scotland Yard -- a place where the overall pattern of all the other murders pointed like an arrow drawn on a map, his signature again.

The year Scotland Yard closed its files on the case, 1892, it wasn't just the Duke of Clarence who died, in January. The real Ripper's brother died the other end of the year -- on the anniversary of the last of the canonical killings, by the way.

Dr. Thomas E. A. Stowell died on the eve of that anniversary too.

Lord Randolph Churchill was the man he was trying to name and not name.

That summer also the dismembered body of a woman was found near Althorp, the Spencer family home, as everyone knows now.

Far less known, it seems, is that another Ripper suspect -- and lookalike of the Ripper when he was young too -- Prince Eddy or the Duke of Clarence, as he became, was shot in a hunting accident or at least incident at Althorp, the very fields where Prince Charles and Princess Diana later met. That was in October, the autumn before the Ripper ripped.

And now you know -- assuming you really want to.

PS -- He also killed and set fires in Canada, southern Africa, including on the ship taking him there, and in the United States.

But Winston Churchill's father was NOT Jack the Ripper.

Jack the Ripper was Winston Churchill's father maddened by syphilis, the medicines used to treat it, many of them mercury-based, grief over his terrible plight, and an evil belief system he subscribed to.

So did nearly all at the top of Scotland Yard.

With, not the killings, but the body displays, he was trying to warn you -- there is a sickness at the heart of an empire that is about to fall: our own.

The Home Secretary Mr Matthews was virtually Lord randolph's appointee, by the way.

He also helped murder a journalist on the coast of France, Archibald M'Neill, who was about to expose the murder of another journalist in London, "Maulstick," found on one of your "high streets" with his throat cut, his face beaten in, and some coins on his tongue in his open month.

One of the coins was a half crown.

That was Randolph's little joke.

He loved to say he had "the Crown of England in my pocket."

He said that in 1876 during the Aylesford affair. (Why doesn't anyone have another look at HIS death, by the way? It's more interesting than you might think -- and worth $1.3M US to someone, including "Sporting Jack" Aylesford himself, by the way. That was in 1885, if you're interested.)

But Randolph made the same claim six years before when he was at Oxford.

Then he got into trouble, Randolph-like, in the Randolph Hotel -- naturally.

Randolph would never knock on a door if he could beat it down, his friends like to say.

That is where those so-called friends betrayed him, getting him drunk and putting him into bed with the most diseased-looking whroe they could find.

She looked so diseased for a reason, by the way. She was diseased. Big surprise.

One of these friends was Lord Roseberry.

Lord Randolph had an affair with him and they remained friends if not lovers all his life.

Randolph even tricked an entire nation, including his wife, sisters and mother, into honouring his love for Roseberry -- he helped set up the Primrose LEague to which they all subscribed and in which they were very active. So was he.

It was named after the flower in Disraeli's lapel, Randolph convinced everyone. No such thing.

Primrose was Lord Roseberry's real name.

Randolph, like his confreres, including in Scotland yard, loved playing the name game.

For example, when Louis Diemschutz who interrupted one of the body displays was soundly beaten by a policeman named Constable Sunshine and laid charges against him, Scotland Yard assigned Inspector Frost to look into the case.

And when Lord Randolph, when young, got into trouble in the Randolph Hotel it was a ruckus with a waiter. The waiter's name was Alfred Wren. The local police assigned Constable Partridge to take the case.

"I have a crown in my pocket," Randolph said in the police station. "I think that ought to take care of things, don't you?"

It certainly did.

Three days before Randolph's counter charges that the police had perjured themselves were to be heard along with the original ones, including bribery, against Randolph by the Oxford magistrates, Queen Victoria summoned the Dowager Lady Churchill (no direct relation) to Balmoral and the next day went out riding with her. It appeared in the Court Circular the next day and in the papers the day after, and the morning of his trial the Oxford Magistrates opened their TIMES to find that HM had "gone out riding with the Lady Churchill."

Enough said. Randolph was let off -- but not entirely.

For causing a disturbance in the first place, something he admitted, Randolph was fined -- one crown.

But the other crown he served only too well -- more than you will ever know or admit, it seems -- and though only a very minor aristocrat, with no hereditary title, out of office and in disgrace, after 1888, Randolph's every move is chronicled beneath the Court Circular heading, that is, in the same columns, as if he were royalty itself.

He was.

But you probably don't want to know about that either.

Cheers.

TERRENCE RITCHIE
theobald1er@club.lemonde.fr

Author: Simon Owen
Tuesday, 07 August 2001 - 03:26 pm
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Wow , lots of stuff here !

Welcome to the Boards ToT , some of this is quite amazing , lets go through it slowly.

In October 1888 Lord Randolph killed the stationmaster at Wimbourne : is there a source for this ?

Although I haven't stated it before , it is my belief that Lord Randolph was frequenting the Cleveland Street brothel from c. 1886 onwards , as well as the Prince of Wales and Lord Roseberry. This is how Mary Kelly recognised him when she met him the night before her murder. Thus I am VERY INTERESTED in your statement that Roseberry and Churchill were lovers , what evidence is there for this ?

What is the source for Randolph's letter stating that he tied his actions in to Gibbon ?

What is your source for Randolph's three favourite books ?

What is your source for the murder victim at Althorp ? Personally I would associate Randolph with Blenheim Palace , the birthplace of Winston, more than Althorp House.

What is your source for Randolph's lighting of fires ?

The motive I can believe , but theres more to it than that :)

Yours , Simon

Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Wednesday, 08 August 2001 - 06:39 am
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Dear Tothe,

This family plot sounds a grave accusation...but was Randy "Jack the Ripper"?

Author: TS Simmons
Thursday, 14 February 2002 - 10:57 pm
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Yes! Maybe Lord Churchill did it! And hey!! Maybe Queen Victoria helped him!!! Wow! And perhaps Lewis Carroll drove them both in the coach!! And Aleister Crowley predicted it all. People...this is all very entertaining, but Lord Churchill WASNT the ripper, neither was William Gull, MJD, JK Stephen, or Queen Victoria. This is entertaining, but he can't be considered a viable suspect!

Author: Simon Owen
Friday, 15 February 2002 - 09:00 pm
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Go on then , tell us why not ! Why is it not possible for Lord Randolph to be the Ripper ? Why cannot Lord Randy be considered a viable suspect ?

He was in London at the time , he was having mental problems caused by syphillis possibly contracted from a liason with a foul prostitute , if so he had a reason to be ' down on whores ' , he was having problems in his marriage , he matches Hutchinson's description of the last person seen with Mary Kelly and there is a long-established tradition that suspects him of being Jack.

It really is a poor show to come on a board like this one , where I have undertaken a lot of research , and just pour scorn on my theory without providing any evidence to back up your claim. What a load of pathetic rubbish ! You doofus !

Simon

Author: Scott Weidman
Thursday, 21 February 2002 - 07:41 pm
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Hi Simon,

Nice birds. Gulls? Or Apollo's crow, once white as snow, for others to ultimately feast upon?

Yours truly,
The Cat With The Empty Goldfish Bowl

Author: TS Simmons
Thursday, 21 February 2002 - 08:05 pm
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No disrespect to you Simon, but you and other wild conspiracy theorists that implicate Royals, Masons, and Aristocrats like Lord Randolph actually take attention away from serious investigators like Philip Sugden and Martin Fido, both of whom have done great work in representing the facts of this case. There were no royals, masons, or Lords, or ladies involved in these murders.


This is what the Real Jack the Ripper would have been like:

Jack would probably of grown up in a poor household, where the fathers work was unstable and where he experienced harsh discipline. The family could of also been subject to sexual abuse, alcohol or drug problems, mental illness etc. Jack would of been a shy quiet type as he had internalised painful emotions at home. He would also have a poor self image with a disability or physical ailment, casting him from society and making him feel very inadequate. He would also be an underachiever and would probably have a menial job in the industrial sector. Jack would of been unable to live or socialise with other people, leading a very lonely life, the only people he would live with would be his parents or on his own, probably on his own. He would also have no relationships so his hate and anger would be aimed at the opposite of sex, and no rape, as he would have been very incapable. Jack's mental illness would have played a big part on the murder and mutilation of his victims. He would also take little to no interest in the murder after it was committed so he would of never sent any letters(the media did, probably Bulling). Jack's motive was of course : sex. Jack was also a stable killer - a person who murders in the same basic area, so this means that it was quite definite that he lived right in Whitechapel in 1888.


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