Author: Philip Rayner
Tuesday, 21 January 2003 - 03:31 pm |        |
In an attempt to marry my two main passions together I would ask for the help of you my dear JTR buddies.
I have mentioned that I had a relative who may have lived close to the East end or even in it in 1881. I know he had moved by 1901 to lambeth but he may well have lived in Mile end old town at the time of the murders.
This is where you come in. Has anyone access to a map of about 1870-1890 which would give me a clearer picture of where he lived.
I know it was in Mile end old town and the address was 42 Rowsell street. Mile end new town is located just to the north of Hanbury street and I think from that I can place it roughly but it'd be good to know where it really was.
This is a shameless attempt to further my genealogy research via these august boards but I'm sure you'll agree that it would be nice to have a relative who may have had personal experience of the area in the 1880's. Maybe a modern relative has some photo or document with an even closer connection. As far as I can tell he was literate and somewhat of a photographer at the turn of the century so who knows? He may have left some record. My wife is convinced that I inherited my interest in the Ripper genetically from him. In her zanier moments she is convinced he was the Ripper!
If I do find anything of interest I will of course share it with you my freinds.
Phil |
Author: chris scott
Tuesday, 21 January 2003 - 05:57 pm | |
Phil
If you look in the Online Resources board (under general discussion) Ive posted a lot of links to sites with old maps that may help
Chris Scott |
Author: stephen miller
Wednesday, 22 January 2003 - 04:27 am | |
Hi Philip what was your ancestor's name?
best wishes
steve |
Author: David Jetson
Wednesday, 22 January 2003 - 06:31 am | |
I think what we all want to know here is can you definately prove your ancestor wasn't Jack? Right place, right (approximate) time - good enough for some to consider him a viable suspect.
Nah, just kidding you ;-) |
Author: Philip Rayner
Wednesday, 22 January 2003 - 02:33 pm | |
Chris, thank you.
Stephen, Robert Rayner b1855 died 1928. Born in Peckham.
David, damn you guessed? Knowing some of the more radical members of this site, I wouldn't be surprised if someone tried to make a case of it.
Phil |
Author: chris scott
Wednesday, 22 January 2003 - 06:26 pm | |
Hi Philip
Ive found your guy in the 1881 census - it gives year of birth as 1857 though
Details are:
Address:
42 Rowsell St
London, Middlesex, England
Robert RAYNER Head M Male 24 Peckham, Surrey, England Letter Carrier Post Office
Ann H. RAYNER Wife M Female 23 Pimlico, Middlesex, England
Ann M. RAYNER Daur U Female 3 Pimlico, Middlesex, England Scholar
William R. RAYNER Son U Male 2 Bow, Middlesex, England
Charlotte M. RAYNER Daur U Female 6 m Bow, Middlesex, England
Hope this helps
Chris S |
Author: Joe Gibson
Wednesday, 22 January 2003 - 06:30 pm | |
The only Rowsell Street listed in "Victorian London Streets" was located in Stepney -- see here:
http://www.gendocs.demon.co.uk/lonstr_r.html
It still existed in 1940 according to my copy of Bartholomew's Map of London published in that year (postal district E3). It seems to have disappeared as a result of wartime bombing or post-war development. I've taken the liberty of e-mailing a scan of the relevant section to you as the file is sizeable (755Kb). Hope that's OK. Rowsell Street lay just to the West of the junction of Bow Common Road and St Paul's Road. Those roads still exist so you ought to be able to find the rough area in which it was located on a modern A to Z. |
Author: Philip Rayner
Thursday, 23 January 2003 - 01:50 pm | |
Wow
Thanks to everyone for the help. Chris, I have the 1881 location and the 1901 location. He was married twice and this may have been why he moved but I wanted to establish 1 if he was in the east end in 1888 2 When he moved.
Even so it is very kind of everyone to take the trouble.
Thanks
Phil |
Author: chris scott
Thursday, 23 January 2003 - 05:50 pm | |
Philip
Rowsell Street was definitely in Stepney and this site
http://website.lineone.net/~fight/Stepney/
the site is called Old Stepney for family history
There is a theatrical family named Rayner mentioned
Search on opening screen under RAYNER
All the best
Chris |
Author: stephen miller
Friday, 24 January 2003 - 05:32 am | |
Hi Chris I don't doubt that you are correct but in 1891 census Rowsell St is in Parliamentary Division of Mile End RG12/313 F70 P30
All The Best
steve |
Author: Mark Andrew Pardoe
Friday, 24 January 2003 - 09:44 am | |
Whatho Philip,
Did Robert do a spot of painting and have shifty eyes?
Cheers, interested Mark who wants to write a book using ludicrous non-facts. |
Author: Philip Rayner
Friday, 24 January 2003 - 03:14 pm | |
| The 1881 census also lists it as Mile end old town. That was my source for the address but London boundaries are always troublesome. |
Author: Philip Rayner
Friday, 24 January 2003 - 03:26 pm | |
and Mark, he had a distinct limp, was a known impressionist, (Did a very good sooty I believe!) and had DNA matching the rest of the known universe. Damn Cornwell could make a case of this.
Phil |
