Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Tuesday, 19 November 2002 - 09:20 pm |        |
...Headbanger and the Nosebleeds...Slaughter and the Dogs...The Gutenberg Bible...Elvis (works in a chip-shop)...Pat Cornwell & Jack the Ripper's Bedroom...Piccadilly Lilli (my mother).
I could go on...
Rosey :-( |
Author: Jesse Flowers
Tuesday, 19 November 2002 - 09:27 pm | |
I'm surprised (nay, shocked) that the discussion of Liverpudlian bands elicited not a single mention of Big in Japan, Echo and the Bunnymen or Teardrop Explodes.
Guess it's true...Punk really is dead 
AAA88 |
Author: ALAN SMITH
Wednesday, 20 November 2002 - 05:20 am | |
Jesse
Werent Big in Japan just the forerunners of The Lightning Seeds?
Incidentally your ancestors in Salem burnt my Great (repeat 10 times) Granny just because she had a cat and a broomstick.
I cannot forgive
Alan |
Author: Timsta
Wednesday, 20 November 2002 - 09:39 am | |
Howard:
Nah, Austin is America's Cambridge. Much cooler.
Jesse, Alan:
Wow, don't get me started. 
Lessee, Big In Japan:
Jayne Casey: Was a good friend of my ex gf, used to work at a secondhand clothes shop at 69A Renshaw St, now a TV producer.
Ian Broudie: Longtime Bunnymen producer and latterly engine behind the Lightning Seeds.
Budgie: Went on to Siouxsie and the Banshees and the Creatures, now doing I know not what.
Bill Drummond: Longtime Teardrops manager, head honcho of Zoo Records, latterly with the Justified Ancients of Mu Mu/KLF, burned a million quid (allegedly), now author and artist.
Holly Johnson: probably made a million quid with Frankie Goes to Hollywood, present whereabouts unknown.
Waiting for the Crucial Three,
Timsta |
Author: ALAN SMITH
Wednesday, 20 November 2002 - 10:44 am | |
Timsta
Cant help you with Holly's whereabouts though he did appear in the press fairly recently assuring everyone that he wasnt dead. (I dont think he was lying)
Unfortunately our city is still recovering from the death of one of its favourite sons Lonnie Donegan |
Author: Peter Wood
Wednesday, 20 November 2002 - 02:26 pm | |
All great bands come from Manchester, try "Take That" for size.
The only good thing to come out of Liverpool is the A580 to Manchester.
Madchestohhhhhh! |
Author: Timsta
Wednesday, 20 November 2002 - 02:39 pm | |
Peter:
Isn't it known as "Gunchester" these days?
Regards
Timchester |
Author: Peter Wood
Wednesday, 20 November 2002 - 03:03 pm | |
No no no ...
There are some pubs in Liverpool where they search you for a knife as you go in ... and if you haven't got one, they give you one.
Manchester - the home of Take That and Russell Watson.
Liverpool - the home of a highly over rated bunch of blokes who played the guitar quite badly, wrote one or two good tunes and then split up after 7 years - over THIRTY years ago! Give it up, it's over, no one listens to the Beatles anymore.
Morrissey - the one true god of all time.
Peter. |
Author: Brian Hall
Wednesday, 20 November 2002 - 09:43 pm | |
Hello Liza
I'll definitely be there. And yes please, let's have all the info you've got. I'm not currently a member of the C & D Club, but would definitely be interested. Only problem is .....I'm more than just across the "pond", so to speak, from my British Cousins (stuck in the middle of the Pacific on the lonely island of Oahu, HI.). Is there a branch here? My e-mail address is Hallbe@Marinecorps.com. Look forward to hearing from you.
Love
Brian
P.S. Count me in for the Raffle. What kind of neat stuff will we be raffling?
Break.........................................
Chris
Our Ravens are looking pretty bad. Is the mood somber for Football fans around Charm City??
Break..........................................
CMD
Probably not the most appropriate way to communicate with you, but I've sent you several e-mails to the address listed in RipperNotes to no avail. Could you please change my subscription address to:
Major Brian Hall USMC
94-1036 Pouhana Way
Waipahu, Hawaii 96797
My sincere thanks in advance. |
Author: Howard Brown
Wednesday, 20 November 2002 - 10:48 pm | |
| Peter...."a heartless hand on my shoulder..a push and its over..." "I tried living in the real world,instead of a shell,but I was bored before I even began"...Its been a long time since I listened to the Smiths,but man they had some good material !!! Ceme'try Gates is another great song...Johnny Marr was brilliant because he didn't solo,like the next guy would.....whats up with Marr? Do you know ? |
Author: ALAN SMITH
Thursday, 21 November 2002 - 04:04 am | |
Peter,
I'm looking forward to visiting Liverpool next year to visit my hub caps.
Before anyone starts on about Glasgow, I'll have you know that in 1990 we were the European City of Culture, since when we have been safe in the knowledge that when being mugged we will be struck with a wine bottle instead of a beer bottle.
Alan |
Author: ALAN SMITH
Thursday, 21 November 2002 - 04:07 am | |
Peter
Sorry, forgot to ask. What happened against City then?
Alan |
Author: Christopher T George
Thursday, 21 November 2002 - 10:48 am | |
Hi, Brian:
I am very pleased to know that I will be able to see you again on the occasion of the upcoming August 15-17 UK Ripper convention at the Britannia Adelphi Hotel in Liverpool. Seeing as Liverpool is my birth city, I am hoping to present at the convention on the city's links to the case (not just Maybrick!!!). The talk may center for example on the sailor suspects in the case, Liverpool as you know being a major port through which sailors, immigrants, and oceanic travellers passed in the era of the Whitechapel murders.
I will also be on hand to help with and perhaps lead some ad hoc tours of the city's sites. Although the present Britannia Adelphi Hotel I believe dates from the 1930s or so, there was a previous prestigious hotel on the site in the 1880's, and many of the ornate "gin palace" pubs from the era are still extant in the neighborhood of the hotel. Quite possibly, Jack may have drunk in any of those establishments.
Best regards
Chris George |
Author: Christopher T George
Thursday, 21 November 2002 - 10:50 am | |
P.S., Brian, the Ravens are playing some ropy ball with a lot of fumbles. It seems incredible now that they won the Super Bowl just a couple of seasons ago, with the same coach, Billick!  |
Author: Timsta
Thursday, 21 November 2002 - 11:14 am | |
Alan:
Yeah, I remember watching 'Taggart' about that time. Good ole' Mick McManus, only man who could rhyme 'Glasgow' with 'culture', as in:
"And this is supposed to be Glasgae's Year of Culchae".
Regards
Timsta |
Author: Brian Hall
Thursday, 21 November 2002 - 01:00 pm | |
Chris
I have no doubt that you will present an excellent brief on Liverpool connections to the JTR case, and I am equally intrigued at the possibility of visiting a local "gin palace" where the "Saucey one" himself may have imbibed.
Question: What is the best way to transit from Heathrow to Liverpool? Rail, Rental Car, Bus ??
SEMPER FI
Brian |
Author: Peter Wood
Thursday, 21 November 2002 - 01:22 pm | |
Hiya How
Marr's got a band of his own going now, some other guy who played with the Smiths is writing music for commercials, yet another one is touring with Badly Drawn Boy, whilst the one true God of all time - Morrissey is "happy in the haze of a drunken hour".
What do you call a scouse girl in a white shell suit?
The bride.
Regards
The Manc. |
Author: Christopher T George
Thursday, 21 November 2002 - 01:26 pm | |
Hi, Brian:
The fastest transport to Liverpool probably would be to get a domestic flight from Heathrow to Liverpool's newly renamed John Lennon Airport. However, British Rail from Euston Station to Liverpool's Lime Street station, several blocks north of the Britannia Adelphi Hotel would be very efficient as well--as I recall under a 3-hour rail journey. Hiring a car would enable you to see sights of interest such as Oxford, Bath, the Cotswolds, Stratford-upon-Avon, etc., on your way north, if you had the luxury of being able to afford the time but of course takes considerably longer.
One of the sidetrips that I want to make is to the grave of Liverpool-born Colonel Banastre Tarleton at a place called Leintwardine, Herefordshire, near Ludlow. Known as "Bloody Ban" for the Massacre at Waxhaws, SC (1780) where men of Tarleton's British Legion ran down Colonel Buford's defeated Americans, he is certainly one of Liverpool's most controversial sons -- he also supported the slave trade as an M.P. in his later years, his family being major slave traders. I read a post by someone on a Liverpool newsgroup who suggested Liverpool airport should have been renamed "Banastre Tarleton Airport" not "John Lennon Airport"!
All the best
Chris |
Author: Brian Hall
Thursday, 21 November 2002 - 01:45 pm | |
Peter
What about the Gothic King of R&R.... Peter Murphy? Is he not from Liverpool?
Brian |
Author: Christopher T George
Thursday, 21 November 2002 - 02:46 pm | |
Peter Murphy? Don't know him, Bri.
CTG
* Finally giving the fatal clue that I am really Kris from Hoboken!  |
Author: Peter Wood
Thursday, 21 November 2002 - 05:07 pm | |
That would be Bauhaus, right?
I remember that Pete Burns (Dead or Alive) is a scouser, but I'm nost sure about Pete Murphy.
Pete Wylie from The Mighty Wah is a scouser too.
Then you've always got Pete Best, once of The Quarrymen ...
Peter NOT Pete Burns, Murphy, Best or Wylie. |
Author: Brian Hall
Thursday, 21 November 2002 - 07:29 pm | |
Peter
Yes, he was the front man for Bauhaus. The band known infamously on this side of the pond for thier tribute to the horrific Bela Lugosi in " Bela Lugosi's Dead". Question: What is a scouser?
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Chris
I believe your musical taste to be more refined then this, hence your unfamiliarity with Peter Murphy. Yes, count me in for the trip to COL Tarleton's grave. By then I will have thoroughly researched the massacre at Waxhaws and can act as your sidekick. I'll probably use the rail to get from Heathrow to Liverpool, and since I'm coming all that way I plan to arrive a few days early to take in the sites.
SEMPER FI
Brian |
Author: Timsta
Thursday, 21 November 2002 - 07:46 pm | |
Hi all:
Pete Murphy is I believe from Northampton. I had the privilege of hanging out with Daniel Ash at an Austin nightclub last year. He's *definitely* from Northampton, as were Bauhaus.
A Scouser is a person from Liverpool, so named for the 'scouse', or Irish stew, which features prominently in the local diet, according to legend.
And finally:
Q: What do you call a manc in a 3 bedroom house?
A: A burglar.
Q: What do you call a manc in a suit?
A: The defendant.
Q: What do you call 4 mancs in a BMW?
A: Twockers.
Q: How do you get 4 mancs out of your BMW?
A: Throw in a job application form.
Come on yew Reds,
Timsta |
Author: Grailfinder
Thursday, 21 November 2002 - 09:06 pm | |
Hello all, long time no chat eh?
Anyway, just to confirm for those interested? Timsta is correct about the Northampton link. (my home town)
Pete, Danny and the rest of the gang from Bauhaus were at the same Art college as myself and I recall many nights at the union bar watching them (before they hit the big time) and they were cool and kind enough to play free of charge at my ex's 21st birthday bash in the 80s.
Danny still lives in town and I see him about now and again, As for Pete, the last time I saw him was on the telly in an advert for BASF music tapes, remember the ad? he was just sat in a chair dressed in a cool black suit while the music blasted all about him?
On another note, my old mate Alan Moore (writer of 'From Hell')also lives (and born) in Northampton and also has a band but I cant remember there name, however, a few years ago at a free music fest in town, both Alan and a few of the guys from Bauhaus played together on stage. Alan was a sight to see in his pure white suit? a kinda Angelic Rasputin! lol
Well s'all for now, love n hug's to you all. GF |
Author: Jesse Flowers
Friday, 22 November 2002 - 03:36 am | |
In defense of Lt. Col. Tarleton, it should be noted that a successful cavalry charge exploited by a bayonet attack is bound to get a bit messy.
AAA88 |
Author: ALAN SMITH
Friday, 22 November 2002 - 05:54 am | |
Timsta
Mark McManus not Mick. Mick was a wrestler.
Mark on the other hand was half brother of immortal rock legend Brian Connelly of the Sweet.(Of course he's dead now)
In the words of Rab.C.Nesbitt "Culchur is it? I'll gee ye culchur boy"
Alan |
Author: Christopher T George
Friday, 22 November 2002 - 06:00 am | |
Hi Brian et al.:
I did learn something interesting about Tarleton that I will be mentioning in my talk tomorrow. In a book about the American Gouvernor Morris, who himself rescued French aristocrats at the time of the French Revolution, the editor of the work infers that Tarleton, who was also in France at the time, might have been the Scarlet Pimpernel, or at least the basis for the character in the novel and the film. A curious thought since my take is that Tarleton was rather a self-centered type but intriguing if it really might be true--it would add quite a new and more admirable facet to his character.
Incidentally, Tarleton's grave is in the south, not near Liverpool, so could not be included in a Liverpool tour, but there's plenty to see in the city in terms of other Tarleton, Beatles, Maybrick, and general historical sights!
All the best
Chris |
Author: Timsta
Friday, 22 November 2002 - 10:42 am | |
Alan:
Whoops, of course. My mistake.
Does anyone remember Catweazle?
Regards
Timsta |
Author: Brian Hall
Friday, 22 November 2002 - 11:07 pm | |
Chris
Is the COL's grave to far south that a trip could not be made there & back in a 1/2 day?
p.s. Billick is not my idea of a great football coach either. |
Author: Bob Hinton
Saturday, 23 November 2002 - 05:46 am | |
Dear Brian,
If memory serves me correct Sir Banastre Tarleton is buried in Hereford in Leintwardine which my trusty route planner tells me is 97 miles from Liverpool.
I always thought Tarleton got a very bad press over Waxhaws. Buford was given the chance of honourable surrender, which considering he was leading militia rather than regular troops, he rather rashly declined.
When confronted by Legion cavalry he made the fatal mistake (only the Highlanders can do this and get away with it) of trying to receive cavalry in line rather than square. The outcome was obvious the Virginians were simply swept away.
One of the few shots that the Virginians managed to get off knocked Tarleton's horse down, pinning him underneath, so he effectively didn't take any part in the battle or have any actual command over the victorious Legion troops who undoubtedly acted extremely badly in their treatment of the Virginian survivors.
There is no doubt that Tarleton did view war as something to be pursued to the hilt, and did act on several occasions in a manner that was not acceptable. However one thing must be said about him, he was always at the front of the fight.
Buford, the man who really should shoulder the majority of the blame for Waxhaws, took to his heels and abandoned his men.
Bob Hinton |
Author: Bob Hinton
Saturday, 23 November 2002 - 05:49 am | |
| By the way I believe he ended up as Lieutenant General ( Gazetted 1801) |
Author: Christopher T George
Saturday, 23 November 2002 - 06:16 am | |
Hi, Brian and Bob:
Bob, first, thanks for your input. As you say, Leintwardine is a bit of a haul and not really doable in half a day. On the other hand, there may be a way to do it and take in some other interesting American-connected places on the way, time willing. For example, the regimental museum at Shrewsbury has two flags allegedly captured at the Battle of Bladensburg preceding the sack of Washington, D.C., on August 24, 1814.
Interestingly, Banastre Tarleton may have been born a stone's throw from the future location of the Maybrick residence at Battlecrease House. The Tarleton's country house of Aigburth Hall was on the other side of Aigburth Road from where 7 Riversdale Road would later stand. It has since been demolished but there still stands an outbuilding believed to have been the grange of Stanlawe Abbey across the Mersey and to date to 1292.
By the way, if either of you are interested, there is a yahoo mailing list on Tarleton as well as a great website at http://www.banastretarleton.org/ which shows pictures of his grave and memorial at Leintwardine. As you noted, Bob, Tarleton finished his days as General Sir Banastre Tarleton, though he had not seen any military action since the American Revolution, having spent the later decades of his life as a commander in garrison assignments and as a Member of Parliament for Liverpool.
All the best
Chris |
Author: Brian Hall
Sunday, 24 November 2002 - 12:37 am | |
Chris & Bob
Thanks for the info. Bob, you summed up the key points rather nicely. I'll definetly use the link provided to learn more. Have either of you read Cornwell's new book yet??
SEMPER FI |
Author: Christopher T George
Sunday, 24 November 2002 - 08:02 am | |
Hi, Brian:
Yes I reviewed Cornwell's book for Ripperologist. It is a crazy theory and really utterly without much credible evidence that Sickert was the killer. As a number of reviews have pointed out, she is maligning the reputation of a great artist.
All the best
Chris |
Author: Brian Hall
Monday, 25 November 2002 - 02:59 pm | |
Chris
I suspect as much, but am only on pg. 17, so I must reserve comment until I finish. Will let you know what I think .
SEMPER FI |
