Author: graziano
Thursday, 11 July 2002 - 03:50 pm |        |
There is an entire floor under the ground and the door opened to the stairs that opened the access to it.
In my poor english that means that when you opened the door there were the same stairs you see on the right but they brings you one floor down.
It's in fact the exact continuation of the stairs.
No way out (apparently).
It costed to me 50 pounds that I had to give to Mr Penjaharsh.
But then he offered me some tea.
His second daughter is wonderful.
But she was just a bit too old for me.
She was 15.
Good Bye. Graziano.
P.S.: It's all true. |
Author: Timsta
Thursday, 11 July 2002 - 03:57 pm | |
Whoops, make that 'early part of last century'. Heh.
Graziano: an *entire* floor? Or just a little cubby-hole thing with a stubby little set of stairs?
timsta |
Author: graziano
Thursday, 11 July 2002 - 04:12 pm | |
I try to look on the vocabulary what a "cubby-hole" means.
.
.
.
I do not find it.
In anycase a good space for a good flat and is now divided by little walls.
Not used.
Stubby little set of stairs ?
Exactly the same stairs you see on the right.
Just going down.
310-12565874-30.
Banque Generale du Luxembourg.
Graziano.
10 pounds ?
...5 ?
Well, to your heart (you know...just to write off the cost).
Good Bye. |
Author: Timsta
Thursday, 11 July 2002 - 04:20 pm | |
Graziano:
Main Entry: cub·by·hole
Pronunciation: 'k&-bE-"hOl
Function: noun
Date: circa 1842
: a small snug place (as for hiding or storage); also : a cramped space
oh, those International Money Transfers are just too hard ;)
regards
timsta |
Author: graziano
Thursday, 11 July 2002 - 04:27 pm | |
Mmh.
So, absolutely a lot larger.
Well, a floor. Under the ground.
But I must aknowledge probably not as big as the upper floors.
Not sure there.
Ok. Ok.
You get it for free this time.
But next time I come to Texas you will introduce me to Pamela Ewing. |
Author: Monty
Friday, 12 July 2002 - 07:31 am | |
Eduardo,
I would have sooner visited the site in 1974. You have one up on me. I would love to see the photos. Another century ?? (Monty Shudders)
Martin,
So one of those entrances lead to a yard ?? I wouldnt have know that just by looking at them. They all have metal shutters now and look pretty much the same. Some things never change then.
Could this yard account for Longs statement (his account that the apron was not there on his first inspection) ? Was this Jacks hidey hole ? I wonder if this yard was searched ?
See Martin, see what you have started...another weekend of sleepless nights just pondering. I blame you for the bags under my eyes...they put 10 years on me.
Im off for the briefest of times (hopefully) but shall be back.
Take care all.
Monty
PS Tom, you certainly are one !  |
Author: Eduardo Zinna
Friday, 12 July 2002 - 10:44 am | |
Monty,
I was in London in 1972, but I was with my ex-wife who, unlike your girlfriend, would not have followed me to Goulston Street had I said it was a place related to the Jack the Ripper murders. Actually, I didn't know about Goulston St then. The only place in the East End which was known to casual visitors was Petticoat Lane, where I dutifully followed my then wife. Maybe I got some pics of the Wentworth Dwellings then, but I wouldn't have known.
What bothers me is that I may have been there before the Hanbury St site was razed down and I didn't think of going down to look. That's a memory that would have beaten Goulston St.
It was a diferent proposition in 1976, but still I only thought of taking two pics. I did photograph the other sites, and it is maybe time I think about digging up those pics and see how things have changed. I know that the car park over Dorset St and Miller's Court hasn't changed much - nor has the wall of the Truman Brewery. But Mitre Square looks very different indeed.
Cheers,
Eduardo |
Author: Martin Fido
Friday, 12 July 2002 - 03:31 pm | |
Quick, before it goes! Cheshire Street, off Brick Lane, where Ginger Marks got blown away, still had last year something of the look of old Hanbury Street: the sort of seedy rundown shops and houses. (And for additional interest, the Krays took over one of the pubs as their last platform for poncing about in front of the easily impressed).
All the best,
Martin F |
Author: graziano
Saturday, 13 July 2002 - 12:04 am | |
Thank you very much Graziano.
One of the greatest mistery of Jack has been solved.
Eventually we know what there was beyond the door seen in the picture of the entrance of 108-119 Goulston street.
Ended all nights of nightmare wondering if ever we could open that door and discovering Jack going to the back yard or hiding in a dark little cub-by-hole covered by blood waiting for Long to pass or just retiring a moment for a phisiological need after a very stressing night.
Staircase going down.
The solution was already in the picture.
Infamy of life.
Once again, Graziano, you have demonstrated yourself highly valuable and truly necessary to the case.
Waiting for your next essential revelation, we thank you for all the hours we will now be able to spend resting our soul.
Tom Wescott, Monty, Eduardo Zinna and Martin Fido.
Now, we may go to sleep satisfied and fulfilled. |
Author: graziano
Saturday, 13 July 2002 - 12:09 am | |
Oh No, my friends, come on, you make me blushing.
Generosity and magnanimity, these are my two main characteristics and all what I give is purely and genuinely natural.
And naturally I share my knowledge on the case with persons that I know do appreciate it.
Good Bye.
My friends. Graziano. |
Author: Tom Wescott
Saturday, 13 July 2002 - 12:39 am | |
Graziano,
Thank you for spelling my last name correctly this time. 2 years of seeing it on the boards is finally starting to sink in, which points to progress. Since you've been inside the model dwellings, and paid much cash to do so, please post or publish the photographs for us to see.
Yours truly,
Tom Wescott
P.S. Monty...I certainly am one what? I'm afraid I missed that joke. |
Author: Jim Jenkinson
Saturday, 13 July 2002 - 06:31 am | |
Tom,
Think Monty is somewhat indisposed at the moment, perhaps venture to try and explain.
You said in a previous post you "turned 1" in a certain year (as in age).
Now there is a saying this side of the pond "you are a one" - meaning you are unusual, unique, the person most likely to,(that's the best I can do here).
So.......... Monty says you certainly are one.
A-hem, I hope this goes some way to explain this.
Yours attempting to untie myself
Jimmy the Jenk |
Author: Eduardo Zinna
Saturday, 13 July 2002 - 08:19 am | |
Caro Graziano,
Ti ringrazio, Graziano, per tutto quello che hai fatto per noi Ripperlogisti. Mi rallegro del tuo succcesso nelli Model Buildings. Vedo che hai speso un capitale per farci piacere.
Va bene cosi?
Arrividerci,
Eduardo |
Author: Chris Jd
Saturday, 13 July 2002 - 10:50 am | |
Hi Monty, the Livingstone among the Ripperologists:
Sorry, may I ask again:
The door in question IS the one next (left) to the window of a fish&chips shop (at least in 2000), right?
Is it all closed down now (because someone mentioned the metal shutters being down all the time)? Another JTR-site bound to vanish??
Christian
Ah, Graziano, since you ignore my JTR-related questions you might as well ignore my off-topic ones: A 15 year old too old for you. Was that a joke or are you Belgian? |
Author: Robert Maloney
Saturday, 13 July 2002 - 11:27 am | |
Excellent work Graziano!
Now let's see, "Jack the Ripper" was penned by the "Lord of the Northern Sky (Skye?:-)) and "From hell" by the "Lord of the Underworld". One dark and one fair not to mention the red hair. The answers lay at the bottom of....river Isis?
Rob |
Author: Monty
Saturday, 13 July 2002 - 11:28 am | |
Graz,
You're the dogs bollox.
Tom and Jim,
Tom, Jim is quite correct in his explanation. I was referring to that saying 'you are a one'. A unique soul. Not one of the sheep like myself. IT WAS A COMPLIMENT MAN, NOT A JOKE !!!!!!
Clear ??
JD,
YES, IT IS THE BLOODY DOORWAY LEFT OF THE LOCAL CHIPPERY.......OK !!
The metal shutters are set back slightly so there is at least something remaining.
Monty
PS Oh yeah, Eduardo. Becky is not my girlfriend. She is a very good companion who has an interest in history......honest. I hadnt noticed her looks or hourglass figure, or how tight her jeans were.....or the way she flicks her hair....erm...anyway....she aint my broad !!! |
Author: Eduardo Zinna
Saturday, 13 July 2002 - 11:55 am | |
Robert,
You may be onto something there. The Thames is called the Isis in Oxford. And Druitt was a Cambridge man. But you probably knew that.
Monty,
Sorry about the misunderstanding. She still came with you to Goulston Street, didn't she?
Cheers,
Eduardo |
Author: Martin Fido
Sunday, 14 July 2002 - 06:37 am | |
Hi Chris - the metal shutters were put over the doorways when the buildings were refurbished and converted for respectable residence by (I think) a Housing Association, the council having failed in its stated intention of clearing out the winos and either pulling the buildings down and redeveloping the site, or themselves making them once again fit for human habitation.
All the best,
Martin F |
Author: Chris Jd
Sunday, 14 July 2002 - 06:52 am | |
Martin, Monty
thank you and all the best
Christian
And Monty: Good luck for your op! |
Author: Monty
Sunday, 14 July 2002 - 11:19 am | |
Eduardo,
I have just re-read my post to you. It seemed a little tetchy. It wasnt meant to be.
Im sorry.
My humour may sometimes get lost in the translation. She did indeed come with me to Goulston st and seem genuinely excited about the trip. I gave her the tour and we spent the trip home discussing it.
It still stands that we are not an item......yet.
Chris,
Cheers mate. Going to the Bells soon. I know you wont be able to make it but you shall still be invited....you never know.
Later,
Monty
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Author: Eduardo Zinna
Sunday, 14 July 2002 - 01:21 pm | |
Hey Monty,
Not to worry. Best of luck.
Cheers,
Eduardo |
Author: graziano
Sunday, 14 July 2002 - 02:00 pm | |
Si Eduardo, per questa volta puo' andare bene.
 .
Se non sbaglio ci siamo già incontrati sul "suolo" americano.
Sembra che abbiamo qualche interesse in comune.
Se mi posso permettere,...sei lontano da Sion ?(dove io stesso mi trovo spesso).
Per carità, semplice curiosità, ogni riservatezza rispettata.
Se comunque avessi l'occasione, ti sarei grato se potessi salutare la gentilissima Carol.
Con un po' di fortuna riesco ad ottenere per lei qualcosa che sicuramente le farà piacere dalla Sorbona.
Arriscriverci, Graziano.
Robert,
I must admit I am a little lost in Egyptian mythology and I am trying to get a grasp there.
But as Eduardo said you may surely be on something.
I already told you that I am tied on the subject, at least till a certain book (not written by me) will be published (I think in the next few months), but the "coded message" in the Goulston street Graffito makes reference to Amun(-Râ) in a sentence.
Sincerly I do not know why.
But there he is.
In a very clear sentence.
So, maybe you may see something there with Isis/Osiris.
Good Bye. Graziano. |
Author: Robert Maloney
Monday, 15 July 2002 - 07:51 am | |
Eduardo, Graziano,
Much thanks for the encouraging words.
Graz, is there any further information you can offer about the soon to be published book you referred to? It sounds very interesting!
Rob |
Author: Eduardo Zinna
Monday, 15 July 2002 - 12:06 pm | |
Graziano,
I used to live in New York and I go to America - or rather, to New York - quite often. We may have met indeed, but please remind me where it might have been. I was in New York last September, just before the 11th, and again in New York and Baltimore last April.
For the past five years or so I've lived in Geneva, in Switzerland, which is near everywhere and nowhere.
Robert,
Best of luck.
Cheers everyone,
Eduardo |
Author: Garry Ross
Monday, 15 July 2002 - 07:43 pm | |
Graziano,
Are we speaking about perhaps "The Hermetic Order Of The Golden Dawn" ?
If so, that's where Magick and Freemasons intertwined around the 1870s onwards under various names.
I've been poking my nose in there just lately too.
take care
Garry |
Author: Garry Ross
Monday, 15 July 2002 - 07:50 pm | |
oh and the London branch was called....Isis-Urania
now there's a thing
take care
Garry |
Author: Jim Jenkinson
Thursday, 18 July 2002 - 06:44 am | |
Hi everyone,
A mural depicting the death scene from "Venus and Adonis" was discovered behind wooden panels in the White Hart Inn in St Albans, Herts in 1985.
It contains numerous Rosicrucian references. Francis Bacon lived in nearby Gorambury.
Could anyone give me any information about this ? (I drink in there).
Thanks
Jim |
Author: Garry Ross
Thursday, 18 July 2002 - 08:45 am | |
Jim,
There's a site dedicated to it at sirbacon.org
hope that helps a bit
take care
Garry |
Author: Jim Jenkinson
Thursday, 18 July 2002 - 09:14 am | |
Cheers Garry,
Yeah, I've seen it, mate. That's where I found out about it. Looks like I'll have to email them or contact local historians.
All the best
Jim Sons of the Rock 1872 |
Author: Garry Ross
Thursday, 18 July 2002 - 09:31 am | |
Jim,
Might be an idea to get in touch with your local newspaper as they might have a lot of info about it or be able to point you in the right direction.
Hope you find what you're looking for.
take care
Garry |
Author: Elizabeth P. Cochran
Thursday, 18 July 2002 - 01:00 pm | |
| Lord, Jim, is this St. Albans near Wash.,DC? My brother went to Landon. Are you kidding me? |
Author: Garry Ross
Thursday, 18 July 2002 - 01:14 pm | |
Elizabeth,
It's St.Albans in Hertfordshire, UK
there's a huge debate on who actually wrote those 'Shakespeare' plays etc - De Vere or Bacon are the top 2 contenders.
That fella with the beard of the name William was just an actor it seems
take care
Garry |
Author: Elizabeth P. Cochran
Thursday, 18 July 2002 - 02:22 pm | |
Guess my world still seems to be within the confines of North America.
Anyway, nice to become acquainted. Sincerely hope you'll reach for us during scary, impossible times.
You work hard to make this work. Thank you. |
Author: Eduardo Zinna
Thursday, 18 July 2002 - 03:56 pm | |
Garry,
Christopher Marlowe.
Cheers,
E. |
Author: Garry Ross
Thursday, 18 July 2002 - 04:45 pm | |
Eduardo,
Yes, he's another one in 'the frame'.
There are as many 'suspects' as there are in the Ripper case....which gets it all nicely back on topic again
take care
Garry |
Author: Jim Jenkinson
Thursday, 18 July 2002 - 05:11 pm | |
Hi everyone,
While following up posts about The Golden Dawn in this thread, I stumbled upon a web page about this mural. Incredibly, living here for 6 years, I knew nothing about it. I have now found it and sadly it is deteriorating at an alarming rate.
There is compelling evidence that Francis Bacon wrote the complete works now attributed to Shakespeare, whether one agrees with this or not it is the only proven contempary artwork of a Shakesperian work yet discovered. The preservation of this priceless artifect has been botched and marginalized.
But as Garry says, rightly, better get back to topic.
Cheers everyone
Jim |
Author: Garry Ross
Thursday, 18 July 2002 - 06:08 pm | |
Jim,
You're spot on about the lack of preservation of something so important and the 'who wrote the Shakepeare stuff' is really interesting too (it's ongoing here in the 'arguments off the subject' thread above)
The Golden Dawn part caught my eye due to a lot of little things such as the Isis 'thing' cropping up a fair bit and also the fact that one of their rituals goes on about the womb of Isis being a powerful thing and another ends with the heart of Isis being consumed by fire.
There seem to be 3 main rituals of this type and I'm still digging about in old books to find out more.
Aleister Crowley used to boast that he knew The Ripper...then again he used to boast about anything he could to try and shock people (he'd have been 17 in 1888)
The Irish writer WB Yeats was a member of the Order too.
Of course it could be another co-incidence as there are so many in this mystery
take care
Garry
Oh and another nice little quote from a ritual is "I am the eye in the triangle" (Eddowes ?)
for more on the founder go to :- Golden Dawn |
