Author: paul merryman
Wednesday, 19 June 2002 - 01:16 pm |        |
Hello,
This may sound strange, but has anyone over the last 100 or so years tried to contact any of the victims via Mediums or Ouija boards. I know that some people do believe in this sort of communication into the spiritual world, we could finally find out who the ripper/rippers were.
Paul. |
Author: jennifer pegg
Wednesday, 19 June 2002 - 01:30 pm | |
hi paul,
i take it you don't mean me personally!
i am aware of several attempts but forgive me if i cannot remeber all my sources. i recall that in USA around the time there was a contact with LIz stride?
im pretty sure this is also the type of thing pamela ball did for her book JTR a psychic investigation.
best wishes
jennifer |
Author: Monty
Thursday, 20 June 2002 - 07:58 am | |
Jennifer,
You're right. Pamela Ball did do a similar thing for her book.
She came up with Maybrick as a watcher ?!?! but not the murderer. I think it was hinted that he was an informer.
She also 'contacted' the victims.
In the end there was no revelation as to who the murderer was...or if there was, I dont remember it !
Monty
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Author: Christopher T George
Thursday, 20 June 2002 - 12:59 pm | |
Hi, Paul, Jennifer, and Monty:
I wish you success with this because there some dead posters on these boards that it would be nice to contact!!!
Chris |
Author: LeatherApron
Thursday, 20 June 2002 - 01:43 pm | |
Paul,
Just don't believe any messages from a spirit that goes by "Captain Howdy". J
An interesting phenomenon was once discovered by some British researchers regarding alleged hauntings in a pub. They learned that the reason they could hear the general clatter of a pub on certain nights, was because the magnetic properties of the bricks of the building were behaving much like a tape recorder. Thus the building had recorded sounds from years ago and would playback under certain conditions. The sounds didn't always replay at normal speed or with audible volume however. This same phenomenon was discovered somewhere off the coast of China, if I'm remembering that correctly, regarding "singing rocks".
Regards,
Jack |
Author: jennifer pegg
Thursday, 20 June 2002 - 01:47 pm | |
paul (and everyone hello!)
i have remember the source for the of the time "contacts with the dead" as bruce paleys JTR the simple truth
best wishes
jennifer |
Author: Ally
Thursday, 20 June 2002 - 06:52 pm | |
| Maybe we could get Jonathon Edwards? |
Author: Ivor Edwards
Friday, 21 June 2002 - 01:21 am | |
| My uncle Jonathon Edwards is out of town, so you will have to make do with me instead. I can contact the dead and I can also raise em, I been doing it for years at least 4 days a week when I post on the casebook!!!! |
Author: Clyde
Friday, 21 June 2002 - 02:02 am | |
Hello All,
Paul,
Man...Why didn't one of the experts think of that!
Wait..I'm getting something...
Yes, Yes,
The killers name is is is Elton Silverblatt...he was in fact Jewish...he lived in Buffalo New York...and he ran a baitshop on Niagra Street....thats it Ive lost him!
Well I guess thats it...this board is pointless now. See you all at the What Ever Happened To Amelia Ehrhart Board.
Just kidding Paul.
Clyde |
Author: Caroline Morris
Sunday, 23 June 2002 - 01:14 pm | |
Hi Paul,
Well, some time after becoming interested in the Ripper, I suddenly remembered a small and fairly insignificant episode way back in my teens when I was playing silly buggers with a friend and a Ouija board at school during a rainy lunch break (as you do at 14).
We didn't have anyone special in mind to contact (certainly not murder victims, and although I would have heard of JtR in 1968, no doubt, I didn't know how many he killed or what their names were) and just wanted to see if the glass would move by itself and spell out anything at all.
Because there were only two of us, I assumed it would be obvious if one of us pushed the glass, but that was naive of me. My friend swore she never tried to make it move and appeared as genuinely surprised as I was that anything happened.
Anyway, to cut a long story short, I remember clearly that the glass moved easily and quickly round the letters and the 'yes' and 'no', and we got this woman. The glass spelt out I-R-I-S-H and, wait for it, K-E-L-L-Y (seriously folks), and when I asked her how she died we got M-U-R-D-E-R. I also asked who had killed her and we got H-U-S-B-A-N-D.
That'll please the Barnettites! But I must emphasise that none of this meant a blinkin' thing to either of us at the time, especially with Kelly being such a common Irish name. And I have believed for many years now that my friend must have helped the glass along physically, and that my own contribution included much wishful thinking.
It was during a phone call to another friend, around three years ago, during which I was telling her about my interest in JtR, and she must have said something about contacting spirits, that the memory of what happened that day at school came rushing back to me making my blood run cold - but only for a short while.
I thought I also remembered my classmate's full name, and that was confirmed for me recently when I saw that she had registered with the 'friends reunited' website. So perhaps I ought to email her and ask if she remembers anything about it.
Love,
Caz |
Author: Blue Violet
Monday, 18 November 2002 - 05:52 pm | |
Wasn't 29 Hanbury St. supposed to be haunted by Annie Chapman's ghost? I think Cullen mentioned it but it's been a long time since I last read his book. Anyone?
-Blue Violet |
Author: Esther Wilson
Tuesday, 19 November 2002 - 09:58 am | |
| I don't know for sure if it's haunted but of all the murder sites....I would think that Hanbury Street and Millers Court would be the most active with the ghosts of Chapman and Kelly. |
Author: Monty
Tuesday, 19 November 2002 - 11:46 am | |
Blue, Esther,
I know that 'Rippers corner' in Mitre square is said to be haunted.
Monty
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Author: stephen stanley
Tuesday, 19 November 2002 - 02:45 pm | |
The Site of Millers court still had a "funny" reputation in the 60's.My Dad worked at Spitalfields & There was a distinct reluctance to enter the building on the site after dark>
Steve |
Author: Wolf Vanderlinden
Tuesday, 19 November 2002 - 05:15 pm | |
Four of the murder sites have been described as being haunted. The exception seems to be Berner Street where Elizabeth Stride was murdered. For a look at the hauntings of the various sites read the chapter Ghosts Of The Ripper in Peter Underwood's 1987 book, Jack the Ripper One Hundred Years of Mystery.
Wolf. |
Author: Esther Wilson
Wednesday, 20 November 2002 - 09:49 am | |
Thanks for the info Monty and all! I'll have to look for the book that Wolf mentioned.
Esther |
Author: Leanne Perry
Wednesday, 20 November 2002 - 11:39 pm | |
G'day Monty,
Pamela Ball concluded in her book that the Ripper was Joseph Barnett, who found Mary Kelly's former lover, Joe Flemming plus Kelly's career as a prostitute sent him into a state of 'splittedness'.
The body found on the bed WAS Mary Kelly and the woman who saw her the next day was mistaken.
LEANNE |
Author: Stewart P Evans
Thursday, 21 November 2002 - 04:43 am | |
One of the earliest writers to cover ghosts of the victims of Jack the Ripper was Elliott O'Donnell, the intrepid ghost-hunter of the early 1900's. In 1928 he wrote the following:-
"A case of haunting was told me a propos of these crimes, and in my opinion it was, in all probability, connected with one of them.
Late one night, about a month after the murder of Lizzie Stride, a Whitechapel tradesman was passing along Berner Street towards the end that leads into Commercial Road, when his attention was arrested by a series of the most harrowing moans and groans which, however, he could not quite locate. Thinking that Jack the Ripper had been at his work again or that someone was taken violently ill, he drew other pedestrians' attention to the sounds, and in less time than it takes to tell quite a number of people had collected. The tradesman then, although he didn't think the moans and groans actually came from it, was about to knock on the door of one of the houses when a woman in the crowd called out, "It's no good knockin' there, guv'nor, them sounds don't come from that house, they're in the street 'ere - we've often 'eered 'em since poor Lizzie Stride was done to death close to this 'ere spot."
I also heard, and, in this case from several sources, that the house in Miller's Court, Dorset Street, Spitalfields, where Mary Janet [sic] Kelly was murdered was afterwards haunted. A woman in black, said to be the ghost of poor Kelly, was often seen entering the house and looking out of its windows, while strange sounds were heard proceeding from it." - Confessions of a Ghost Hunter, London, Thornton Butterworth Limited, 1928.
Just a bit of local atmosphere I thought you may enjoy. Wolf might like to add the Stride tale to his files. |
Author: Guy Hatton
Thursday, 21 November 2002 - 07:06 am | |
Did anyone notice that Professor von Hagens' controversial 'first public autopsy in 170 years' was staged last night in the former Trumans' brewery in Brick Lane/Hanbury Street? So it hasn't actually been that long since organs were removed in the vicinity!
Cheers
Guy |
Author: Lisa Jane Turner
Thursday, 21 November 2002 - 07:52 am | |
| Yes Guy, Brick Lane has become quite trendy in parts. I have bumped into Jarvis Cocker and Gilbert & George down there. No mad professors though I'm glad to say. |
Author: Esther Wilson
Thursday, 21 November 2002 - 10:39 am | |
Thanks for the ghost excerpt Stewart.
Esther |
Author: Timsta
Thursday, 21 November 2002 - 11:16 am | |
Lisa Jane:
Gilbert & George used to live in Fournier St, I dunno if they still do.
Regards
Timsta & Timsta |
Author: Garry Ross
Thursday, 21 November 2002 - 09:48 pm | |
Stewart,
I've got 'Haunted Britain' by Elliott O'Donnell and in that he writes:-
"There are possibly people in the East End of London today who were living there in 1888 and 1889. If so, they may remember the rumours of ghostly happenings in Hanbury Street, Spitalfields, Bucks Row, Whitechapel and one or two other scenes of the ghastly Jack the Ripper murders.
...In 1895, when staying in London, I visited Whitechapel and had interesting conversations about the murders with several inhabitants of the district.
They told me that in the streets where the murders had been committed appalling screams and groans uttered by no living human being were sometimes heard at night, and that in Bucks Row, a huddled up figure, like that of a woman, emitting from all over it a ghostly light, was frequently to be seen in the gutter. None of the people with whom I conversed believed the murders were the work of one man only. "Had they been," they told me, "someone would have given him away."
Rumours of ghostly happenings were likewise circulated in Lambeth in the summer of 1902, after a murder there bearing a close resemblance to the Whitechapel atrocities."
take care
Garry |
Author: Stewart P Evans
Friday, 22 November 2002 - 01:21 am | |
Hi Garry,
Yes, I have that book too, but it was published in 1948, some twenty years after Confessions of a Ghost Hunter. The 1948 book appears to be the one that Peter Underwood quoted from. The relevance of the 1928 book is the fact that it contains the Berner Street story.
Best Wishes,
Stewart |
Author: Dan Norder
Friday, 22 November 2002 - 07:13 am | |
Funny how victims who couldn't get a sound out when killed would be so damn noisy a'moaning and a'groaning after they were dead.
That's the logic of ghost stories for you.
Dan |
Author: Monty
Friday, 22 November 2002 - 08:18 am | |
LEANNE,
Ms Ball also stated the Maybrick was a 'watcher'...
......whatever that is.
Nah, I need better proof than that.
Monty
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Author: Goryboy
Friday, 22 November 2002 - 08:49 am | |
All:
I understand that the "Ripper's Corner" in Mitre Square was said to be haunted long before Eddowes met her end there. Seems some monk had murdered a young woman in that exact spot, sometime in the 1600s, and it's been haunted ever since.
Guess Kate's got company, eh?
Cheers,
John |
Author: Timsta
Friday, 22 November 2002 - 10:43 am | |
Garry:
Which 1902 murder was that? Hercules Road?
Regards
Timsta |
Author: Garry Ross
Friday, 22 November 2002 - 12:05 pm | |
Timsta,
It says Salamanca Place, near Doulton's Yard - after which the murderer apparently jumped into the Thames and drowned...they will keep doing that won't they?
take care
Garry |
