Author: Monty
Wednesday, 05 June 2002 - 07:09 am |        |
Jon,
Yep, as I mentioned in my previous post, I fell in with your line of thought after I sent it.
I agree with you.
Though I am confused about the witness. She did not hear furniture being moved around ?
What a strange statement to make. Unless her statement was prompted by a question put to her. Now who would ask a question like that and why ?
Monty
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Author: Chris Hintzen
Wednesday, 05 June 2002 - 07:36 am | |
Hi Jon,
In the dissections I've witnessed they were all conducted in groups of 5 or 6.(Since eligible cadavers would be expensive if everyone had their own.) However, during the dissections only one person is doing the actual probing and incisions while all the others take notes.
This would have been the same procedure the doctors in Miller's Court would be taking. So in all honesty, they all don't have to be surrounding the bed. One could be looking over the body, as the others take notes and point out certain things that they may wish to be looked at in more detail.
Hi Monty,
Interesting question. I'll have to go back and look over my notes.
Regards,
Chris H. |
Author: Leanne Perry
Thursday, 06 June 2002 - 05:54 am | |
G'day,
Elizabeth Prater occupied the room in Millers Court directly above Kellys.
At the inquest she said: "The partition was so thin I could have heard Kelly walk about in the room."
The Coroner later asked her: "Did you hear beds or tables being pulled about?"
Elizabeth replied: "None whatever."
LEANNE |
Author: Jon
Saturday, 08 June 2002 - 10:16 am | |
Hi Chris.
Your emphatic statement...
"This would have been the same procedure the doctors in Miller's Court would be taking."
is surely an assumption.
Be honest, you are trying to compare four very eminent doctors of equal standing in an extremely important murder case to your run-of-the-mill modern-day dissecting room, likely with the surgeon (dissecting) being the only eminent doctor around the table.
If you had said, "they may have conducted this examination like a modern-day dissection", I would have said, "I think not".
Regards, Jon |
Author: Chris Hintzen
Sunday, 09 June 2002 - 08:58 am | |
Hi Jon,
But you believing the picture drawn in the IPN is how the scene actually was is surely an assumption.
I use the dissection room as example. There are several post mortems done today(not to mention back then) by several doctors at a time. And they are not all poking and prodding the victim at the same time.(Anybody remember Maybrick's body being examined by 3 to 4 doctors to confirm how he died?)
Also one has to look at the scene. The room at Miller's Court is badly lit(even with the windows open.) So an extensive exam would be rather difficult.
And most importantly one has to note that all four of these men also examined her AFTER she had been removed to the mortuary, in which conditions would have been better for their analysis.(Not to mention they examined the body for MANY hours at the mortuary.)
Is it a possibility that they moved the bed in Miller's Court? Yes. But to do that simply so the doctors could surround the body for a cursory inspection is just silly. Especially when they know they are gonna spend MANY MORE hours in the mortuary looking over her remains.
Regards,
Chris H. |
Author: Jon
Sunday, 09 June 2002 - 02:58 pm | |
Chris.
In 'The Daily Telegraph' of Nov. 13th, 1888.
Dr Phillips described the scene as he entered the room.
"...on the door being opened it knocked against a table which was close to the left-hand side of the bedstead, and the beadstead was close against the wooden partition..."
Regards, Jon |
Author: Chris Hintzen
Monday, 10 June 2002 - 10:28 am | |
Hi Jon,
Yes and that's exactly the way the picture of Mary Jane Kelly appears. The table close to the left hand side of the bedstead, and the bedstead close against the wooden partition.
Regards,
Chris H. |
Author: Jon
Monday, 10 June 2002 - 06:25 pm | |
Thankyou.....I knew we'd get there in the end.
Regards, Jon |
