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Archive through 29 August 2001
Casebook Message Boards: General Discussion: Research Issues / Philosophy:
August 31st - an Esoteric Date ?:
Archive through 29 August 2001
Author: Simon Owen
Wednesday, 28 February 2001 - 03:50 pm |        | Hello everybody !
I don't know if anyone can help me on this subject , but I wonder if anyone can tell me any other events which happened on the 31st of August , other than the murder of Polly Nichols.
Obviously I am interested in dates prior to 1888 , but anything relevant to the case post-1888 which might also be important can be included here.
I'm particularly interested to know if the date has any occult or esoteric significance , given the recent interest in the possible ' black magic ' motive on the Caseboard ! Also , any references to the British Royal Family would be interesting , Masonic or Esoteric lore , ancient history and important historical events.
No matter how trivial you might think it , if its related to the date of August 31st , please post it here.
Simon |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Wednesday, 28 February 2001 - 06:16 pm | | Dear Simon,
In ye old English, "Gouls of August", I believe. |
Author: Franceska Kemp
Thursday, 01 March 2001 - 08:52 am | | Hello Simon
Here are some things that happened on 31st August:
12AD Caligula was assassinated
1422 Henry 6th succeeded to the British throne at the age of just 9 months.
1887 Thomas Edison received the patent for the kinetoscope, the forerunner of the film projector.
As a matter of interest, this was also the day that Hitler signed the order to attack Poland in 1939, Princess Diana was killed on this day in 1997 and it is also Richard Gere's birthday!!
Franceska |
Author: Caroline Anne Morris
Friday, 02 March 2001 - 04:09 am | | Hi All,
I've got a feeling that the most important date for black magicians could be April 30th - Walpurgis night. But it may just be a case of my having read far too many Dennis Wheatley novels in my mis-spent youth.
Love,
Caz |
Author: stephen stanley
Friday, 02 March 2001 - 04:27 am | | Hi, Caz..read them in my mis-spent youth too....re-read one recently and realised what bigoted,snobbish and racist values were concealed in them....or was it just that 30 years ago such views were normal??..If there Has been such a change in attitudes within our lives ,it makes you think how can we cope with the culture of 1888?
Steve S. |
Author: Caroline Anne Morris
Friday, 02 March 2001 - 08:04 am | | Good point Stephen. I remember how laughable, ridiculous and dated I found them even then, some thirty years ago. But that was all part of the fun and entertainment value for me at the time.
I doubt if I could pick one up now, but a spoof version would be great.
Love,
Caz |
Author: Simon Owen
Friday, 02 March 2001 - 06:51 pm | | Ahem - 31st of August , remember !
No digressions !
BTW , what are the ' Gouls ' of August Rosemary ? |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Friday, 02 March 2001 - 07:46 pm | | Dear Simon,
"Gules of August", (actually).C.f.,the mysterious death of Rufus the Red, (ancient Celtic practice of human King-sacrifice?). |
Author: Martin Fido
Saturday, 03 March 2001 - 06:25 am | | Hi Stephen,
No, little prigs like me could spot the snobbery and racism in Wheatley even while enjoying him, and, indeed, the patronising 'I'm not really antiSemitic: all Jews should be grateful to me' underlying his treatment of Simon Aaron. But it was dificult to avoid such attitudes in most thrillers at the time. Cf Leslie Charteris, who started getting in digs at the Attlee government in Templar's asides during the '40s. Hence Eric Ambler's high standing as a genuinely Popular Front committed writer, and Hammond Innes's towering success in managing an almost completely apolitical 'manliness' without slipping into John Wayne-ism. (Though I suppose anyone who thinks the Berlin airlift was wicked and Kurt Carlsen was a goody-goody capitalist owner's pet boy will disagree. I drift pretty far left off the map, but not that far into old style Party Line-ism).
Martin Fido |
Author: Jeff Bloomfield
Sunday, 04 March 2001 - 01:52 am | | I am curious if Leslie Charteris was related to
the Francis James Charteris who was involved in
the murder of Marion Gilchrist in Glasgow in 1908.
The murder led to the arrest, prosecution, and
conviction of Oscar Slater, and to the crusade
to overturn this conviction by Sir Arthur Conan
Doyle and William Roughead.
Anti-Semitism appeared, as Mr. Fido mentioned
in many of the novels and thrillers of the first
half of the century. Besides those mentioned,
it is found in many of the novels of Graham Greene (like This Gun For Hire and Brighton Rock)
as well as the novels of John Buchan. G.K.Chesterton made many comments regarding Jews
(such as his classic comment in MANALIVE that the
smile on the face of a Jewish character, Moses
Gould, explained many pogroms in Eastern Europe).
His friend Hillaire Belloc (brother of Mrs. Belloc Lowndes, author of THE LODGER) could be
equally poisonous.
To say that it was part and parcel of the so-called intellectual or mental scope of the age
is true. Americans could be bigots too, like
Henry James. On the other hand, some writers
could rise above it, like Mark Twain. But the
damage was done. In fact, the damage could go
beyond merely writing hurtful lies. Edith Wharton boasted of being able to help keep Jewish
female applicants out of a college that had her
on it's Board of Trustees. In fact, the bigotry
could also weaken what could have been a seriously
provable case of a crime. In 1912 Belloc and
the Chesterton Brothers found evidence that high
ranking members of the Liberal Government (including the Chancellor of the Exchequer, Lloyd
George) had made a questionable profit in Marconi
Wireless stock. But the serious impropriety that
was being investigated was harmed by truthful
allegations of anti-Semitism against Belloc, G.K.
Chesterton, and Cecil Chersterton, who kept pounding at two of the leaders involved, the
Attorney General Sir Rufus Isaacs, and Mr. Herbert
Samuels. Both these men were Jews. It discredited the investigation.
The degree of anti-Semitism in English fiction
began decreasing in the 1930s, as the activities
in Germany began making many racists in England
(like G.K.Chesterton) uneasy. Others did not
seem to care, like Kipling, or like H.G.Wells,
who even after the Second World War began refused
to acknowledge any special danger for Jews. When
presented by such an argument, Wells would turn
it around into an argument as to how the Jews
invite their own persecution by demanding special
treatment. His reactions to the "scientific"
death camps is unknown. Belloc lived into the
1950s, but a stroke during the war curtailed his
activities. One can't believe he would have
suddenly changed. Graham Greene, sensing the
change in fashion, edited his early works for
the American market, so that the nastier comments
sometimes were removed (Colleoni, the Jewish
criminal boss in Brighton Rock is suddenly no longer Jewish; on the other hand Sir Marcus, the
munitions tycoon in This Gun For Hire remains a
villainous Jew). Greene was able to survive as
a leading novelist of thrillers for another
thirty to forty years. But he never completely
drops the bigotry. In his The End of the Affair
one of the characters again makes anti-Semitic
remarks. Some leopards can really not change spots when they try.
Jeff Bloomfield |
Author: Martin Fido
Sunday, 04 March 2001 - 09:23 am | | Jeff - I don't think Leslie C was a relative of FJC. The oddest thing about Charteris's xenophobia is his own Eusrasian descent (extremely visible in photographs) - though of Chinese or Malay extraction rather than my own Anglo-Indian.
Could one take Kipling a little bit off the hook you've left him on? He responded to Nazism by removing the swastika from the signature emblems on his book covers where he had always had it embossed in gilt alongside an elephant's head holding a lotus flower. Of course he displayed marked antiSemitism in the period when he and Rider Haggard went witch-hunting after the Jewish-Bolshevik-Bankers conspiracy - but that didn't last long. Usually his attitudes were racist in the peculiar sense that he saw different races as having different talents (though this could change into snarling hostility if he thought anyone was challenging the English and Scots manifest superiority in governing everybody else). He pretty consistently holds up Jews as having great artistic talent - (no pro-Nazism there!) - and in 'The Light That Failed' produces a view of Jewish eroticism which is in very marked contrast to the antiSemitic view of the frigid Jewish American Princess, as he has his hero learn sexual adventurousness from 'a sort of Negro-Cuban-Jewess with morals to match'.
Oh, and by the way, I think Rufus Isaacs' conduct in the Marconi scandal was anything but impeccable. Indeed, I think we have had to wait for Lord Irvine to find a cabinet lawyer bringing the unseparated powers of the British political executive and the bench and bar into such disrepute.
Martin F |
Author: Jeff Bloomfield
Sunday, 04 March 2001 - 04:09 pm | | Martin - actually, I don't think Isaacs' conduct
was anything short of corrupt (although he has
some defenders to this day). It was just that
Belloc and the Chestertons kept emphasizing his
ancestry and Samuels more than that such behavior
was reprehensible. It actually harmed their case.
Interestingly enough, shortly after the Marconi
business began, Isaacs as Attorney General was
in charge of the questioning of J. Bruce Ismay
and Captain Stanley Lord during Lord Mersey's
hearings into the Titanic Disaster. It has been
suggested that Isaacs took full advantage of the
hearings to give the public two new villains to
dislike, and (given his interest in Marconi shares
was enhanced by the disaster) he should have
excused himself from participation.
It is hard to find another cabinet official in
the last century who was so disreputable. The
closest I can think of is Jimmy Thomas, and his
sin was telling a wealthy friend about the 1936
budget's proposed taxes. As for Lord Irvine, you
have to explain the reference to me.
I forgot to mention Rider - Haggard. In She he
has a charming comment about how the Jews were
despised by the heroine in ancient Egypt. Ayesha
is told that now (about 1885, I think) the Jews
are universally disliked for deserting and turning
against their Lord!
As for Kipling, I recommend Birkenhead's biography. There is a marvelous Kipling poem
about the Arab - Jewish fight over Palestine.
You can guess on whose side Rudyard ends up siding
with.
Jeff |
Author: Martin Fido
Sunday, 04 March 2001 - 05:06 pm | | Jeff - I presume you're not on the European side of the Atlantic? The British Lord Chancellor combines the functions that in other countries would be split between three dignitaries: Minister of Justice, Chief Justice, and Speaker of the Senior House of a bi-cameral legislature. Hitherto these potentially conflicting functions have been pretty scrupulously separated (at least since the Glorious Revolution. Scroggs and Jeffreys made themselves notorious as time-servers). The current LCJ has completely disgraced himself and besmirched his office by sending out invitations to barristers to attend a £200 fund-raising dinner in aid of the Labour Party. Since he has the final discretion in appointing judges and promoting barristers to take silk (become QCs: a sort of senior position at the bar for which there is no American equivalent) this is obviously opening the door to corruption. Typically the smug and pompous Thatcher-and-water crew of Tadpoles and Tapers who have pinched the former Labour Party genuinely can't understand what the fuss is about.
In re Kipling, I'm anti-Zionist myself, seeing it as preposterous superstition to suggest that God 'gave' the Land of Canaan for ever and ever to the descendants of a family of wandering Armenians (and pretty disreputable ones at that, given their tendency to place their wives in the harems of local kings the minute that seemed the best way of avoiding trouble). I'm deeply concerned that 'Political Correctness' is attempting to suggest that anti-Zionism is a cover for antiSemitism (and even more concerned that genuine antiSemites are serving their own ends by confusing the two as hard as they can). Kipling, I agree, had his antiSemitic moments. But if we're going to pick among his poems for his attitudes, what about 'The Rabbi's Song' ('If thought can lead to Heaven')?
And back to the serious Ripper and murder-related questions. I must apologise for giving an utter prat's answer to your question about Leslie Charteris, saying, I didn't think so when I meant 'I've never thought so because I've never thought about it at all!' Which means my 'opinion' which I appeared to be expressing is 100% worthless. In compensation, when the hour in Engand is a feasible one for telephonic comunication, I'll try and find out whether Richard Whittington-Egan knows. He's the only person I would expect to be in a postion to give an informed opinion.
All the best,
Martin |
Author: Martin Fido
Sunday, 04 March 2001 - 05:36 pm | | And, Jeff, I'm a double prat. I've just said LCJ when I should have repeated Lord Chancellor. While the Lord Chancellor is technically head of the bench, there is also a Lord Chief Justice as senior judge on the criminal bench, and a Master of the Rolls as senior judge on the civil bench.
More apologies. Write in haste, repent at leisure.
Martin |
Author: Jeff Bloomfield
Sunday, 04 March 2001 - 05:44 pm | | Martin
All right, I suppose that I opened up the political response regarding Arab v. Jews in
Palestine/Israel. I offer a choice: Let's try
not to get into this particular minefield again.
Otherwise, it's brickbats at Hampstead Heath at
dawn (you may start without me).
I live in New York City. Right now, we are more
concerned about a possible blizzard hitting the
area, and (in terms of political scandals) the
incredible way the last President pardoned several people. So I was unaware that Lord Irvine is the Lord Chancellor, and that there is a sticky scandal about him.
If Mr. Whittington-Egan can settle that issue,
it would be interesting. Thank you for asking him when you can.
All the best,
Jeff |
Author: Jeff Bloomfield
Sunday, 04 March 2001 - 05:52 pm | | Martin
We seem to be typing about the same time.
I actually am aware that the Lord Chief Justice
is not the same as the Lord Chancellor (in fact,
Isaacs was made Lord Chief Justice, I believe).
The only Master of the Rolls I was aware of was
the 19th Century Sir Henry James, who was the only
one almost to be murdered, when he was attacked by
a madman in 1877 or so. Otherwise, I did not
realize what his post entailed.
Thanks again.
Jeff |
Author: Jade Bakys
Sunday, 04 March 2001 - 09:06 pm | | Hi Jeff
Good to see you on the boards. I don't know what has happened to the post I was referring to, it has completely vanished.
I am not sure if the Leslie Chateris you mention is the one that wrote the Saints books, but since this thread is about anti-semistism in literature, I assuming there is a lit theme if so the information below might help:
Born Leslie Charles Bowyer Yin in Singapore (then a British colony) on May 12, 1907, Leslie legally changed his name by deed-poll to Leslie Charteris in 1926
Speak with you soon
Regards, Jade |
Author: Martin Fido
Monday, 05 March 2001 - 12:15 am | | Jeff - It's now after midnight here, I'm waiting for the same set of blizzards you await to hit Cape Cod and possibly close down power service on both of usand cut us off fromfurther communication for 24 hrs or so.
For what it'sworth, I too was shocked by Clinton's abuse of his last day in office, which makes me feel almost reconciled to the Repubhlican relatives-in-law who keep forwarding stuff to us suggeting that anyone with an active sex lifeor 'liberal' opinions is unfit to hold public office.
I agree that, for God's sake if avoidable, let's keep pro- or anti-Zionism off the boards! (Though I'll jump in like crazy if there's the slightest hint it's suggested that thinking Jack the Ripperwas Jewish means that my daughters are okay for extermination camps!)
The last notable Master of the Rolls died last year: Lord Denning, who wrote the official report on the Profumo scandal, and I heard speak twice (once many years before and once many years after Profumo). Both times he struck me as bright but, oh God! self-satisfied and cheaply appealing to his audience!
Jade - Thanks for the added information. God! Speaking as one very proud of his touch of the tarbrush, what a schmuch Charteris was!
Martin F |
Author: Martin Fido
Monday, 05 March 2001 - 05:07 pm | | Jeff again: I've been calling Richard W-E's number on and off all day and getting the engaged tone. So I'll drop him a line. He's written a magisterial study of the Slater case, but at such an encyclopaedic length that no publisher will take it.
In the meantime, it has occurred to me that my silly snap reaction 'I don't think so...' represents a dangerous unscholarly habit to be found quite often in Ripper studies, which is rather akin to the bad parental habit of automatically saying, 'No!' as soon as one's children ask whether they may do something unusual. When the Maybrick diary was first under discussion, Paul Begg used to remark that even an absolutely positive, definite, crystal-clear and unchallengeable identification of the Ripper would be automatically rejected by some if not most 'experts'; partly because of vested interests in defending their own conjectures and hypotheses, and partly because a habit of mind has developed of assuming that since many new proposals turn out to be reworkings of discredited old notions, all new suggestions are likely to be wrong. This can often be seen at work in side issues: John's heroic struggle to persuade all those of us who have been accustomed to thinking Caroline Maxwell MUST have been wrong, because the police at the time apparently thought so, is necessary because we've all become so accustomed to that particular interpretation of the evidence that we tend to treat it as a fact, and not (as John clearly shows it to be) an unproven opinion. Likewise the two coins possibly found with or under Annie Chapman's body are often dismissed as completely mythical, really because Richard Whittington-Egan comprehensively destroyed the ever-growing ritual pile of coins and rings that press canards and sensational Ripper historians were building up. But while re-examination of the inquest testimony confirmed that there was no such pile, and Annie's rings were actually missing, the immediate press coverage of the hearings rather mysteriously made no mention of any coins whatsoever. They start turning up in the papers a week later. Oswald Allen's original report described by William Stewart in 1939 as initiating the coins and rings fable has never been traced by anyone else: so either it appeared in a very limited edition of the Pall Mall Gazette that was rapidly reset for other news, or Stewart accidentally transcribed the source wrongly. Yet we have the definite assertion of unreliable Major Smith that because two farthings had been found with one body he was set to tracing a known City miscreant who passed off polished farthings as sovereigns; and the reliable Inspector Reid turned up at Clay-Pipe Annie's inquest as an observer because, he said, coins had been found under Clay-Pipe Annie's body, and he wanted to compare this report with the coins found under Annie Chapman. It is astonishing that some commentators have become so habituated to the idea that 'no pile of coins and rings' must mean 'no coins at all' that they have mounted the argument that Reid's being on leave at the time of Annie Chapman's murder could mean that he was misinformed. Yet if one follows through even Phil Sugden's confident assertion that there were no coins one finds nothing but the observation that neither Reid nor Smith were directly engaged in the Chapman murder investigation, and a footnote pointing to nothing but the unseen Stewart report.
So newcomers to the field should not be daunted by instant putdowns from 'old hands', but look carefully at what we say and see whether we are dealing with demonstrably proven facts - (Prince Albert Victor was too far from London to have perpetrated several of the murders) - or widely held opinions - (there's no evidence to support Macnaghten's suspicion of Druitt, so we can forget about him as a serious suspect).
Martin Fido |
Author: Jeff Bloomfield
Monday, 05 March 2001 - 10:46 pm | | Martin
Actually, the possibility of a Jewish Ripper
never struck me as being anti-Semitic (though
elsewhere I did take a jab at Sir Robert Anderson). Given the high percentage of Jews
in the East End it would have a good chance of
being true! It would, of course, have been
different if the murders occurred on the island
of Tristan De Cunha or some obscure village in
the Hebrides. So, as far as Cohen or some other
Jew being a suspect, there is no reason to start
disqualifying him due to hypersensitivity about
his background (any more than to question Druitt
as a suspect because one is a fan of barristers or
cricket).
I have to go over the discussion about the coins
under Annie and Alice. It is the first time it
has been brought to my attention.
I would like to thank Jade, for the background
on Leslie Charteris's original name.
Hopefully Richard Whittington-Egan may be able
to give us the information as to whether Leslie
is a relative of Francis or not.
Finally, in all this weird discussion (which has
managed to avoid the purpose of the thread - whether we can recall any historically important
events on August 31st before 1888), there is something I have noticed that is quite embarrassing to me. Martin, I apologize for making a recommendation of the Birkenhead biography of Kipling. I was unaware that you
wrote a biography of Kipling. Also one of Wilde
and one of Shakespeare. It explains your easy
discussion of 17th Century poetry on another
thread, a subject I am not well acquainted with.
All the best,
Jeff |
Author: Matthew Brannigan
Tuesday, 06 March 2001 - 05:25 am | | A clarificatory note for Americans and others wishing to understand the arcane complexities of the English judicial system.
The Lord Chancellor is the senior lawyer in the UK, a position equivalent to the Attorney-General in the U.S. with the qualification that justice is divided between investigation and prosecution so our Lord Chancellor does not have the responsibility for police in the same way as the Attorney General has for, say, the FBI. The Lord Chancellor makes the official decision on appointment of judges, as well as QCs, the senior rank of lawyers.
Like the Attorney General the position of Lord Chancellor is a political appointment, changing with each government.
However, more like the Vice President, the Lord Chancellor is also speaker in the upper house of our Parliament. By convention, although not strict rule, in order to counter the potential conflict of interest, the Lord Chancellor does not speak on matters of political controversy when acting in his legislative function.
The Lord Chancellor is also the lead justice of the Lords of Appeal in Ordinary, the UK equivalent of the U.S. Supreme Court.
Americans might wish to speculate how their separation of powers might be maintained if Dick Cheney was allowed to decide who became a federal judge, as well as being Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.
To put the Lord Irvine scandal in perspective for Americans, imagine if shortly before the last Presidential election a letter was sent to all American lawyers hoping to elevate to the judiciary asking for donations to Democrat funds, the letter being signed by the members of the Senate Approval Committee for judicial appointments, as well as the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and the Attorney General. Pretty tough to refuse, knowing that the Democrats might retain those positions.
The stage below the Lords of Appeal is the Court of Appeal, which has Criminal and Civil Divisions, the Lord Chief Justice being the head of the Criminal Division and the Master of the Rolls being the head of the Civil Division, though in practice, the LCJ may hear civil cases as part of his routine work and the MotR will be present in many criminal appeals, due to the small number of Appeal Court judges.
I hope this is of some assistance to those who have wondered about the senior judical offices referred to in Martin's above discussion.
Matt |
Author: Martin Fido
Tuesday, 06 March 2001 - 06:38 am | | Jeff - I don't hold the poncey view that on Kipling, (or Wilde, or Shakespeare, or Dickens, on whom I've written as many books as I have on the Ripper) 'I am Sir Oracle, and when I ope my lips let no dog bark'. Birkenhead's life of Kipling was written later than mine; is much longer and fuller; and is something I can quite properly be referred to.
Matt - Thanks for the accurate and knowledgeable corrections.
Martin |
Author: Martin Fido
Friday, 23 March 2001 - 03:00 pm | | Jeff,
A characteristically gracious response from Richard Whittington-Egan has reached me, the relevant part of which reads, 'No, Leslie Charteris, I confirm, has no connection with the Dr Charteris in the Slater case.'
All the best,
Martin |
Author: Jeff Bloomfield
Friday, 23 March 2001 - 10:46 pm | | Dear Martin,
Thank you for relaying Mr. Whittington-Egan's
information. Now I know there is no connection.
I recently discovered that there are web sites
that give "today in history" references. One
that I found (and regretfully can't get back to
for awhile - for personal reasons) would tell you
all the people who were prominent that were born
on specific days. I decided to review this
carefully, checking up on the following calendar
dates: September 8, September 29, September 30,
November 8, and November 9. Personally the results are a trifle scattershot, but you might
notice a patern emerge.
September 8:
1153 - Richard the Lion Hearted
1390 - St. Bernandine of Sienna
1413 - St. Catherine of Bologna
1442 - 13th Earl of Oxford (John de Vere) - last
Yorkist claimant against Henry VII.
1470 - Ariosto (author of Orlando Furioso)
1588 - Marin Mersenne - French Mathematician
1621 - The Great Conde - Leader of "the Fronde" &
later King Louis XIV's greatest general.
1633 - Ferdinand IV - King of Bohemia (1646),
Hungary (1647) and the Romans (1655)
1749 - Princess Lamballe - friend of Marie
Antoinette, and victim of mob violence
1767 - August von Schlegal - German scholar and
critic
1790 - Edward Lord, Lord Ellenborough - Governor
General of India (1840 - 1844)
1830 - Frederic Mistral - French Provencal Poet
(early Nobel Laureate)
1831 - William Raabe (German realistic novelist)
1837 - Joaquin Miller - American poet ("Columbus"
- "Behind him lay the grey Azores, behind
him the Gates of Hercules. Before him
only sealess shores, before him only
shoreless seas....")
1841 - Anton Dvorak - Czech composer
1848 - Victor Mayer - German chemist
1857 - Georg Michaelis - last Chancellor of the
German Empire (1918)
1863 - W.W.Jacobs - short story writer ("The
Monkey's Paw")
1873 - Alfred Jarry - French writer ("Ubu Roi")
1886 - Siegfried Sassoon - English poet
September 29:
106 B.C. - Pompey the Great (power rival of Julius
Caesar).
1547 - Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra (novelist,
poet, playwrite - Don Quixote).
1639 - Lord William Russell - English political
writer and politician; victim of judicial
murder ("Rye House Plot" defendant in
1683 with Algernon Sidney).
1758 - Vice Admiral of the Blue, Lord Horatio
Nelson
1760 - William Beckford - author of "Vathek"
1803 - Charles Francois Sturm - French
Mathematician (Sturm's theorum)
1810 - Elizabeth Cleghorn Stevenson, better
recalled as "Mrs. Gaskell" (author,
Cranford, Ruth, North and South, Mary
Barton, The Life of Charlotte Bronte)
1820 - Henri V (last Bourbon pretender to the
French throne, son of Duc de Berri - known
as Count of Chambord).
1831 - Miguel Miramon - Mexican General and
politician. Executed with Maximillian in
1867.
September 30:
1710 - John Russell, 4th Duke of Bedford (Leader
of faction called Bedford Whigs).
1715 - Etienne Bonnot de Condillac - philosopher
(desciple of Locke) and economist.
1732 - Jacques Necker - financier, attempted to
reform financial chaos of Louis XVI.
Father of Madame de Staal.
1765 - Jose Maria Morelos - leader of Mexican
Revolution (until executed in 1813) after
Father Hidalgo.
1788 - Fitzroy James Henry Somerset, 1st Baron
Raglan - Military idiot (ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade, botched
Crimean War); the Raglan sleeve is named
for him.
1803 - Gustav, Graf von Alvensleben - Euxleban -
Chief personal advisor to Wilhelm I of
Prussia, later Emperor Wilhelm I of
Germany.
1811 - Augusta - Wife of Wilhelm I of Prussia,
so Queen of Prussia and Empress of
Germany.
1813 - John Rae - Trapper, and explorer in
Northern Canada. Played role in the
search for the lost Franklin Expedition
(1848 - 1859).
1832 - Lord Roberts of Kandhahar - "Fighting
Bobs", one of the top English field
commanders in the Victorian period.
1842 - Charles Lapworth - geologist - named
the Ordovician period
1849 - Michal Boberzynski - Polish Historian
& Conservative politician.
1852 - Sir Charles Stamford - English composer.
1857 - Herman Suderman - German writer
1863 - Vice Admiral Reinhold Scheer (commander
of German fleet at battle of Jutland).
November 8:
1622 - King Karl X Gustav of Sweden
1656 - Edmund Halley - mathematician and
astronomer (as in the comet).
1818 - Minghetti - Twice Premier of Kingdom of
Italy (1863-64; 1873 - 76).
1830 - Oliver O. Howard, Union General. Headed
Freedman's Bureau during Reconstruction.
Founded Howard University.
1831 - Edward Robert Bulwer - Lytton, 1st Earl
of Lytton. Viceroy of India, and
diploma.
1838 - Rufus Wheeler Peckham - U.S. Supreme
Court Justice. Died 1909. His niece
(Dorothy Arnold) disappeared mysteriously
in Manhattan in 1910.
1846 - William Robert Smith - Scottish Semitic
Scholar
1847 - Jan Casimir Perrier - 5th President of
the French 3rd Republic
1847 - Abraham "Bram" Stoker - theatre associate
of Sir Henry Irving. Author of Dracula.
November 9:
1731 - Benjamin Banneker - African-American who
did the surveying of the city of
Washington, D.C. (in 1790s).
1801 - Robert Dale Owen - son of the Utopian
economist of New Lanark. Reformer.
1802 - Elijah P. Lovejoy - early abolitionist
editor. He was murdered by a mob in
Alton, Illinois.
1828 - Ambrose Powell Hill - leading Confederate
Army Corp. commander - killed in last
week of war in front of Petersburg.
1831 - Henry DuPre Labouchere - prickly,
independent liberal M.P. and editor/
publisher. Instrumental in revealing the
Cleveland Street Scandal.
1832 - Emile Gaboriau - Early detective story
author (Monsieur Lecoq).
1841 - Edward VII, King of England (1901-1910)
1853 - Stanford White - architect, murder victim
(1906) of Harry K. Thaw over Evelyn
Nesbitt Thaw ("The Girl in the Red Velvet
Swing").
1869 - Marie Dressler - stage and screen actress,
early Oscar winner (Min and Bill).
1875 - Sir Hugh Percy Lane - Irish art dealer
later drowned in the Lusitania disaster
(5/7/15). Founded the National Gallery
with his art collection.
1886 - Ed Wynne - Ziegfeld Follies Comic - star
of Radio and film ("The Perfect Fool").
1888 - Jean Monnet - creator of the Common
Market.
- Sutton Vane - shell shock victim of World
War I. Wrote popular play, Outward Bound.
Of course, the ones who are closest to the dates
would be less likely to have the dates of their
births connected to the crimes.
Jeff |
Author: Diana
Saturday, 24 March 2001 - 08:07 am | | | There was a terrible fire in the London docks the same night Nichols was murdered. |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Saturday, 24 March 2001 - 08:47 am | | Dear Simon,
Interesting but rather arcane point, the latter part of 1888-1889, was the culmination of the last
great astrological lunar cycle (1535 to 1889).Em..
Jack's lunar syckle?
Nostra da Muse,
Rosemary. |
Author: Simon Owen
Tuesday, 28 August 2001 - 05:19 pm | | Since August 31st is nearly upon us , please make an extra special effort to find events which happened on this day in history.
I found :
Births :
__12 Caligula (Gaius Caesar), 3rd Roman emperor (37-41 AD)
1811 Theophile Gautier Tarbas France, writer/poet (Albertus)
1834 Amilcare Ponchielli Paderno Italy, composer (I Lituani)
1870 Maria Montessori Italy, educator (spontaneous response)
1880 Queen Mother Wilhelmina Netherlands (1890-1948)
1885 DuBose Heyward novelist (Porgy)
1889 A Provost Idell father of modern volleyball
1897 Frederic March Wisc, actor (Dr Jeckyll-Acad Awards 1932/1946)
19-- Noble Willingham Mineola Tx, actor (Cutter to Houston)
19-- Rick Porter actress (Another World)
1903 Arthur Godfrey radio, TV host (Arthur Godfrey's Talent Scout)
1903 Sir Bernard Lovell England, radio astronomer, founded Jodrell Bank
1905 Dore Schary producer/writer/director (Act 1, Boys Town, Big City)
1907 Ram¢n Magsaysay Phillipines, statesman (US Legion of Merit-1952)
1908 William Saroyan US, novelist/playwright (Time of Your Life)
1914 Richard Basehart Zanesville Oh, actor (Voyage to Bottom of Sea)
1916 Daniel Schorr broadcast journalist (CBS)
1918 Alan Jay Lerner lyricist composer (Lerner & Leowe-My Fair Lady)
1919 Richard Basehart actor (Voyage to Bottom of the Sea)
1924 Buddy (Leonard) Hackett Bkln, comedian (God's Little Acre, Music Man)
1928 James Coburn Laurel Nebr, actor (Our Man Flint, Magnificent Seven
1930 Tiny Little Jr Worthington Minn, pianist (Lawrence Welk Show)
1931 Dan Rather news anchor (CBS-TV)
1931 Jean Beliveau hockey star (Montreal Canadiens)
1935 Eldridge Cleaver Black Panther turned Republican
1935 Frank Robinson baseball player/manager (MVP 1961-NL 1966-AL)
1937 Warren Berlinger Bkln, actor (Larry-Joey Bishop Shop, Take Two)
1940 Alain Calmat France, figure skater (Olympic-silver-1964)
1942 Carole Wells Shreveport La, actress (Pistols n Petticoats)
1945 Itzhak Perlman Tel Aviv Israel, violinist/polio victim
1945 Leonid I Popov cosmonaut (Soyuz 35, 40, T-7)
1945 Van Morrison Belfast, singer (Here Comes the Night)
1949 Richard Gere Phila Pa, actor (Breathless, Cotton Club)
1952 Rudolf Schenker heavy metal rocker (Scorpions-No One Like You)
1954 Tula [Barry Kenneth Cossey], Engld, transexual (For Your Eyes Only)
1957 Glenn Tilbrook guitarist/vocalist (Squeeze-Tempted)
1958 Edwin C Moses track star (hurdler, Olympic-gold-1984)
1959 Rachel Dennison Knoxville Tn, actress (Doralee Rhodes-9 to 5)
1961 David Chastain heavy metal rocker (Chastain-Rule of Wasteland)
1963 Reb Beach heavy metal rocker (Winger-17)
1970 Debbie Gibson Brooklyn NY, singer (Only in My Dreams)
1977 Paul Garber helped establish Air & Space Museum in Washington DC
Deaths :
1057 Leofric husband of Lady Godiva, dies
1688 John Bunyan preacher/novelist/author of "Pilgrim's Progress,", dies
1879 William Barber 6th US chief engraver (1844-79), dies
1888 Mary Ann Nicholls a 42-year-old prostitute, was found stabbed to death in London, 1st of at least five murders by Jack the Ripper
1963 George F Broque cubist painter, dies at 81 in Paris
1964 Carole Coleman singer (Face the Music), dies at 42
1964 Rocky Marciano former heavyweight champ, dies in a plane crash
1968 Dennis O'Keefe actor (Suspicion), dies at 60
1990 Nat (Sweetwater) Clifton NY Knick, dies at 65 of a heart attack
1997 Diana Spencer Princess of Wales , dies at 36 in a car wreck
On this Day :
1535 Pope Paul II deposed & excommunicated King Henry VIII
1772 Hurricane destroy ships off Dominica
1778 British kill 17 Stockbridge indians in the Bronx during Revolution
1829 The opera "Guillaume Tell" is produced (Paris)
1842 US Naval Observatory authorized by an act of Congress
1850 Calif pioneers organized at Montgomery & Clay Streets
1864 Atlanta Campaign-Battle of Jonesborough
1881 1st US tennis championships (Newport, RI)
1886 1st major earthquake recorded in eastern US, at Charleston, SC
1886 Crocker-Woolworth National Bank organized
1887 Thomas A Edison patents Kinetoscope, (produces moving pictures)
1889 Start of Sherlock Holmes adventure "Cardboard Box" (BG)
1894 Phillies Billy Hamilton steals 7 bases
1895 1st pro football game (QB John Brallier paid $10 & won 12-0)
1900 Dodgers' Brickyard Kennedy walks 6 straight Phillies
1902 Split skirt 1st worn by Mrs Adolph Landeburg (horse rider)
1903 Joe McGinnity wins his 3rd doubleheader of the month
1907 England, Russia & France form the Triple Entente
1915 Chic White Sox Jimmy Lavender no-hits NY Giants, 2-0
1919 Communist Labor Party of America formed in Chicago
1919 Petlyura's Ukranian Army kills 35 members of a Jewish defense group
1934 1st football all star game-Bears tie collegians 0-0 in Chicago
1935 1st national skeet championship (Indianapolis)
1935 Chicago White Sox Vern Kennedy no-hits Cleveland Indians, 5-0
1935 FDR signs an act prohibiting export of US arms to belligerents
1941 Great Gildersleeve, a spin-off of Fibber McGee & Molly debuts on NBC
1950 Dodger Gil Hodges hits 4 HRs & a single in a game vs Braves
1954 Census Bureau established
1954 Hurricane Carol (1st major named storm) hits New England, 70 die
1955 1st microwave TV station operated (Lufkin, Tx)
1955 1st sun-powered automobile demonstrated, Chicago, Ill
1957 Malaya (Malaysia) gains independence from Britain (National Day)
1959 Australia defeats US for tennis' Davis Cup
1960 Agricultural Hall of Fame established
1962 Trinidad & Tobago gain independence from Britain (National Day)
1965 House of Reps joins Senate establish Dept of Housing & Urban Develop
1968 6,000 die in 7.8 quake destroys 60,000 buildings in NE Iran
1968 Private Eye magazine reports a John Lennon & Yoko Ono album will have a picture of them nude on the cover
1969 25,000 attend New Orleans Pop Festival
1970 Lonnie McLucas, a Black Panther activist, convicted
1970 US defeats German FR for tennis' Davis Cup
1971 Dave Scott becomes 1st person to drive a car on the Moon
1972 Olga Korbut, USSR, wins olympic gold medal in gymnastics
1973 1st heavyweight championship fight in Japan (Foreman beats Roman)
1977 Aleksandr Fedotov sets aircraft alt rec of 38.26 km (125,524')
1978 Symbionese Liberation Army founders William & Emily Harris plead guilty to 1974 kidnapping of newspaper heiress Patricia Hearst
1979 Comet Howard-Koomur-Michels collides with the Sun
1979 Donald McHenry named to succeed Andrew Young as UN ambassador
1980 Poland's Solidarity labor union founded
1983 Edwin Moses of USA sets the 400m hurdle record (47.02) in Koblenz
1984 Pinklin Thomas defeats Tim Witherspoon for the WBC heavyweight title
1985 "Prakas" sets trotting mile record of 1:53.4 at Du Quoin, Ill
1985 Night Stalker suspect that terrorized S Calif captured in East LA
1986 Aeromexico jet & small plane collide kill 82
1986 Soviet passenger ship Adm Nakhimov, collides with a merchant vessel
1987 Curtis Strange sets golf's earning for the year record ($697,385)
1988 5-day power blackout of downtown Seattle begins
from www.scopesys.com/cgi/today2.cgi |
Author: David Radka
Tuesday, 28 August 2001 - 11:46 pm | | Simon,
Intruiging concerning your writing of events that usually only Americans are interested in or understand. Do you know what it is to "walk six Phillies," for example?
Thanks for the list!
David |
Author: Grailfinder
Wednesday, 29 August 2001 - 12:27 am | | Hi Simon/all
There was a time when I too had the idea that the dates of the murders held some clue?
October, is in my mind, an important month in the search for JtR.
Why the lack of action? what was Jack doing all that month?.
Now there are some of us who think that he laid low because of the increased police presence but I have never quite accepted this idea. So I had a rethink on the matter and offer you these thoughts.
(A) The period between murders 4 and 5 = 40 days, why? One idea I toyed with was a Biblical connection, ie Jack ended the G Street message with the words "for nothing" or should that read 40? If so this may have been a tip for the police (had they worked it out) for eg, Jesus took time out for 40 days and what did he have to do on the day he returned? save a whore called Mary from being stoned to death? So perhaps M J Kelly might have been saved had the G Street scrawl been deciphered correctly?
(B) For those unfortunates that have had to spend a week in isolation wards, should think themselves lucky. They may like to console themselves with the thought that originally Quarantine meant being shut away for a full Forty days (from the Latin Quarantena. meaning Forty) By that time people who had been exposed to disease etc, were either dead, recovered, or presumed to be no longer contagious.
So whom do we know (or who might we be able to find) that may have been in hospital at this time?
(C) Thirty days hath September, April, June and November. So runs this children's mnemonic, 'All the rest have 31, except February, which has 28.
Now the reason for this difference in the length of the months is that when the Romans under Julius Caesar invented the Julian Calendar they decided to give months with special religious significance 31 days and the ones of lesser importance 30 days. Thus January, named after the God Janus, March, after Mars, and July, in honour of Caesar himself, are among the months with 31 days. Caesar's successor, Augustus, named August after himself and, naturally, gave it 31 days.
The Julian months of September (7th month) and October (8th month) became the 9th and 10th months when in 1582 Pope Gregory changed the New Year from the Julian date of March 25 to January 1st. Now if we speculate that Jack was trying to conjure up some sort of spell/magic then he would surely follow the older more ancient calendar. Is it just a mere coincidence then that we have murder dates for the 8th of the 8th. and then by missing out October (OCT = 8) MJK gets topped on the 9th of the 9th.
Perhaps a closer study of all the dates may yet still hold some method to the killers madness. It would be interesting to hear from some of our more esteemed members on the boards, with regards any research they may have heard of along these lines. Somebody must have looked at this in the past, so what were their conclusions?
Cheers for now GF |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Wednesday, 29 August 2001 - 05:54 am | | Dear Simon,
AND...is it not highly suspicious that on this precise date, in China, Nothing happened!?
Rosey Hu Wong? |
Author: graziano
Wednesday, 29 August 2001 - 09:17 am | | Hello Grailfinder,
what about hearing from the less esteemed ?
Well, if you do not like, you pass (with an a) on as others do.
I did not think about it but the forty days between 4 and 5 sounds interesting.
I am a bit lost in the 7th of 7th, 8th of 8th, 9th of 9th.....
9th of 9th (old) , MJ Kelly, ok.
But Tabram 7th of 8th (new) and
Chapman 8th of 7th (old) and Nicholls ? and the double event ?
Probably I am missing something ( I see now why you ask to the more esteemed).
Not an "unfortunate" in all the East End with the name of "Mary" ?
They had to go for a "Mary Jane" ?
quarantine: let us give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar but nothing more. It is not a word coming from latin, etimologically it comes yes, from quarantena, but it is a word of the dialect of Venice. This city imposed in the low Middle-Age a period of waiting of 40 days to the boats coming from Asia before entering the same city to be sure there wasn't any disease on board.
Bye. The self-esteemed Graziano.
P.S.: Have you noticed that Buddha and the profet Mohammed began their predication at the age of 40 ?
That Moses was called to his historical and holy mission at 40 ?
That David, Saul and Solomon all reigned for 40 years ?
Well, what about looking for Jack among those born in 1848 ? |
Author: Grailfinder
Wednesday, 29 August 2001 - 03:13 pm | | Hi Graz
You wrote 'Not an "unfortunate" in all the East End with the name of "Mary" ?
They had to go for a "Mary Jane" ?
By this I take it your saying that the killer/s should have been able to have found a 'lady' by the name of Mary, rather than Mary Jayne?
Well I agree, there must have been dozens of Mary's to choose from at the time. However you missed my point, how easy would it have been to have found a Mary and Joseph who lived in a hovel/shed/outhouse or add-on to the main house.
Has anyone ever measured the distance between the G St scrawl and Millers Court? It does not look that far on the map, could it possibly be 40 Yards/Meters/Degrees from the position of the found Apron? or some other numerical formula.
As for the dates 7th of the 7th etc... I agree this theory only works for the murders committed on the 8th of the 8th 1888 and the 9th of the 9th, not forgetting that MJK was seen between the hours of 8 and 9? Could it be that Jack attacked her at 9 mins past 9 o'clock on the 9th of the 9th?
Wild speculation I agree! but after over 100 yrs what else can we do but Speculate? To be honest, I quite enjoy wild speculation, to allow ones mind to meander off on its own is cool, as long as you know when to come back down to earth. I spend to many hours each day dealing with problems that demand a Black/White Logic, that when given the opportunity to dive into the grey/speculative areas, I'm as happy as a Pig in poop. I believe that when/if this case is solved and Jack is finally unmasked, it will be because someone used his imagination and speculated on the impossible/unlikely and stumbles on a reality! a method/motive that will point towards a particular type of person, ie his occupation/religion etc. and will single out Jack as the only suspect capable of being the murderer. Although personally, I hope he never gets caught, whilst he remains in the shadows he is a reminder to us all of the horrors that await us should we walk the wrong paths. He is a constant reminder of the type of justice one should expect if one plays cards with the devil, none.
Thought for the day :
Speculate till the Cows come home, but remember what brings home the Bacon? and whilst most of the wild theories are nothing but Bull! if you dont go Fishing, you dont catch a cold.
Cheers GF |
Author: graziano
Wednesday, 29 August 2001 - 03:27 pm | | Hello Grail,
Mary, Joseph........
Jesus, you are right !
Graziano (who next year will be.....40). |
Author: Mark List
Wednesday, 29 August 2001 - 03:27 pm | | Aug.31---(from historychannel.com)
1888 Jack the Ripper claims first victim
Prostitute Mary Ann Nichols, the first victim of London serial killer "Jack the Ripper," is found murdered and mutilated in Whitechapel's Buck's Row. The East End of London saw four more victims of the murderer during the next few months, but no suspect was ever found.
In Victorian England, London's East End was a teeming slum occupied by nearly a million of the city's poorest citizens. Many women were forced to resort to prostitution, and in 1888 there were estimated to be more than 1,000 prostitutes in Whitechapel. That summer, a serial killer began targeting these downtrodden women. On September 8, the killer claimed his second victim, Annie Chapman, and on September 30 two more prostitutes--Liz Stride and Kate Eddowes--were murdered and carved up on the same night. By then, London's police had determined the pattern of the killings. The murderer, offering to pay for sex, would lure his victims onto a secluded street or square and then slice their throats. As the women rapidly bled to death, he would then brutally mutilate them with the same six-inch knife.
The police, who lacked modern forensic techniques such as fingerprinting and blood typing, were at a complete loss for suspects. Dozens of letters allegedly written by the murderer were sent to the police, and the vast majority of these were immediately deemed fraudulent. However, two letters--written by the same individual--alluded to crime facts known only to the police and the killer. These letters, signed "Jack the Ripper," gave rise to the serial killer's popular nickname.
On November 7, after a month of silence, Jack took his fifth and last victim, Irish-born Mary Kelly, an occasional prostitute. Of all his victims' corpses, Kelly's was the most hideously mutilated. In 1892, with no leads found and no more murders recorded, the Jack the Ripper file was closed.
1939 Germany prepares for invasion of Poland
At noon, despite threats of British and French intervention, Nazi leader Adolf Hitler signs an order to attack Poland, and German forces move to the frontier. That evening, Nazi S.S. troops wearing Polish uniforms staged a phony invasion of Germany, damaging several minor installations on the German side of the border. They also left behind a handful of dead German prisoners in Polish uniforms to serve as further evidence of the alleged Polish attack, which Nazi propagandists publicized as an unforgivable act of aggression.
At dawn the next morning, 58 German army divisions invaded Poland all across the 1,750-mile frontier. Hitler expected appeasement from Britain and France--the same nations that had given Czechoslovakia away to German conquest in 1938 with their signing of the Munich Pact. However, neither country would allow Hitler's new violation of Europe's borders, and Germany was presented with an ultimatum: Withdraw by September 3 or face war with the Western democracies.
At 11:15 a.m. on September 3, a few minutes after the expiration of the British ultimatum, Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain appeared on national radio to announce solemnly that Britain was at war with Germany. Australia, New Zealand, and India immediately followed suit. Later that afternoon, the French ultimatum expired, and at 5:00 p.m. France declared war on Germany. The European phase of World War II began.
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Birthday Board: August 31
1897 - Frederic March (Ernest Frederick McIntyre Bickel) (Academy Award-winning actor: Dr. Jekyl & Mr. Hyde [1931-32], The Best Years of Our Lives [1946]; The Iceman Cometh, A Christmas Carol, Inherit the Wind, Alexander the Great)
1903 - Arthur Godfrey (ukulele playing, TV/radio entertainer: Arthur Godfrey's Talent Scouts, Arthur Godfrey and Friends; Lipton Tea commercials)
1907 - William Shawn (magazine editor: The New Yorker)
1908 - William Saroyan (Pulitzer Prize-winning playwright: The Time of Your Life [1940]; The Human Comedy)
1916 - Daniel Schorr (journalist: CBS News, CNN)
1918 - Alan Jay Lerner (Songwriters Hall of Famer: Academy Award-winner: Gigi [score and title song, 1958], An American in Paris [screenplay, 1951]; lyricist: Brigadoon, Paint Your Wagon, Camelot, My Fair Lady; half of songwriting team of Lerner & Loewe; Grammy Award-winner: On a Clear Day You Can See Forever [1969])
1919 - Richard Basehart (actor: Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea; Marilyn: The Untold Story, The Andersonville Trial, The Brothers Karamazov, Moby Dick)
1924 - Buddy Hackett (Leonard Hacker) (comedian, actor: The Love Bug, The Music Man; cartoon voices: The Little Mermaid)
1927 - Warren Berlinger (actor: Love American Style, Sex and the Single Parent, The World According to Garp)
1928 - James Coburn (actor: Sister Act 2: Back in the Habit, The Great Escape, Our Man Flint, The President's Analyst, Hudson Hawk, Charade, The Magnificent Seven)
1935 - Eldridge Cleaver (black activist)
1935 - Frank Robinson (Baseball Hall of Famer, Baseball Writers' Award: Cincinnati Reds outfielder [1961], Baltimore Orioles [1966]; first black manager; Rookie of the Year [1956])
1939 - Jerry Allison (musician: drums: group: The Crickets: That'll be the Day; songwriter w/Sunny Curtis)
1945 - Itzhak Perlman (violinist: recorded with Andre Previn and Scott Joplin)
1945 - Van Morrison (songwriter, singer: group: Them: Gloria; solo: Brown Eyed Girl, Domino, Blue Money, She Gives Me Religion)
1947 - Carl Garrett (football: Oakland Raiders running back: Super Bowl XI)
1948 - Richard Gere (actor: An Officer and a Gentleman, Pretty Woman, American Gigolo, Looking for Mr. Goodbar, The Cotton Club)
1954 - Claudell Washington (baseball: NY Yankees)
1958 - Edwin Moses (Olympic Gold Medalist [1976, 1984] & Hall of Famer: 400-meter hurdles: the first athlete to use 13 strides between hurdles; 1983 winner of Sullivan Award: the U.S. outstanding amateur athlete)
1958 - Von Hayes (baseball: Philadelphia Phillies)
1960 - Tony DeFranco (singer: group: The DeFranco Family: Heartbeat, It's a Lovebeat)
1970 - Debbie Gibson (singer: Only in My Dreams, Foolish Beat, Lost in Your Eyes, Les Miserables; writer: Between the Lines; perfume: Electric Youth)
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Chart Toppers: August 31
1956
My Prayer - The Platters
Allegheny Moon - Patti Page
The Flying Saucer (Parts 1 & 2) - Buchanan and Goodman
A Sweet Old Fashioned Girl - Teresa Brewer
1964
Where Did Our Love Go - The Supremes
The House of the Rising Sun - The Animals
Bread and Butter - The Newbeats
Dang Me - Roger Miller
1972
Brandy (You're a Fine Girl) - Looking Glass
I'm Still in Love with You - Al Green
Coconut - Nilsson
If You Leave Me Tonight I'll Cry - Jerry Wallace
1980
Sailing - Christopher Cross
Upside Down - Diana Ross
Fame - Irene Cara
Cowboys and Clowns - Ronnie Milsap |
Author: graziano
Wednesday, 29 August 2001 - 03:50 pm | | Hello Mark,
That evening, Nazi S.S. troops wearing Polish uniforms staged a phony invasion of Germany, damaging several minor installations on the German side of the border.
They also left behind a handful of dead German prisoners in Polish uniforms to serve as further evidence of the alleged Polish attack.
For the sake of the historical truth:
The Nazi S.S. troops was a gang of not more than 15/20 men.
Several minor installations was in fact one little communication center just near the German/Poland border (I can't recall the name of the small town).
They left behind only one corpse. And he was the only direct victim of the affair (I can't recall who he was, but yes a prisoner, killed on purpose).
Bye. Graziano. |
Author: Simon Owen
Wednesday, 29 August 2001 - 05:16 pm | | Referring to the graffiti , I don't agree with Ed's interpretation of ' blamed '. Looking at the word how it was reproduced at the time , the B of ' blamed ' is written as the Hebrew letter lamed or lahmed. Thus ' not b(e) ' tells us that the first letter of the word blamed is not a b but is in fact the letter lamed. The following letters ' -lamed ' refer to either the previous letter , telling us it is really lamed or refer to another letter lamed therefore we have 'lamed (letter) lamed(word)'.
I think the word ' Juwes ' is really ' Juives ' , for the reason that it has the letters ' IV ' in it : these refer to the four ( IV in Roman numerals ) victims of the Ripper or to ivy , ( aye - vee , phonetic pronounciation of IV ) the badge of Charles Stewart Parnell the MP.
In Victorian symbolism ivy meant eternity , fidelity and everlasting life due to its evergreen nature , it could also mean death as it sapped the tree of its juices.
Simon |
Author: Warwick Parminter
Wednesday, 29 August 2001 - 05:53 pm | | Hey G F
don't forget my pig in a poke(y) cellar.
Rick |
Author: Grailfinder
Wednesday, 29 August 2001 - 05:59 pm | | Hi Simon
Cool idea about the IV=4, corresponding with Eddowes being the 4th victim.
Didn't someone once say that they could make out the number 5 calved on MJK's flesh? although I'm buggered if I can find any numbers relating to the other victims, any thoughts? or shall we decided that this is a pyleashyte?
GF |
Author: Grailfinder
Wednesday, 29 August 2001 - 06:22 pm | | Hi Rick
Personally mate, I Prefer to Poke my Pork on the Porch!
Cheers GF.
Ps
Why have I suddenly started thinking of Caz?
A feeling that 4 been here beef IV, and a bottle of Daddies? |
Author: Warwick Parminter
Wednesday, 29 August 2001 - 07:52 pm | | It's a pyleashite of course G.F.---pig, most certainly, what more can be said on such an interesting subject. Caz, you got any views on the matter? any little limericks ?
Rick |
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