Author: Cliff Jones
Friday, 15 December 2000 - 01:25 am |        |
A writer named Tom Slemen claims he has discovered the identity of Jack the Ripper, and will be broadcasting material to back up his claim on BBC Radio Merseyside around January 2001. Insiders say Slemen's suspect fits the bill and are amazed no one came across the suspect before. The tel. no of BBC Radio Merseyside is 0151 708 5500. Slemen's website is www.tomslemen.com
If I hear any more news regarding this matter I will post to the board. |
Author: Rotter
Friday, 15 December 2000 - 05:02 am | |
| This is a promising investigator-for those seeking amusement. His website contains the story about a medium who raises the ghost of James Maybrick who curses those who claim that he was Jack the Ripper. I concur with the angry spirit. There is also an inquiry into "Psychic Detectives" that solemnly recounts the Lees story. There are many other knee-splappers unrelated to Ripper lore. WARNING:the site has an intrusive and irritating soundtrack. Turn down your speakers. |
Author: Richard Warner
Friday, 15 December 2000 - 07:07 pm | |
| Rotter, this guy has ten books under his belt, and lectures in Europe and the US. I live in Warrington, and I heard his broadcast. He knows a lot about the Whitechapel Murders and presented a very intriguing version of the events of 1888 in such a way, I feel he does know something. A lot of the so called Ripper-experts here are going to be royally kicking themselves when Slemen unmasked history's most famous unknown murderer. |
Author: David M. Radka
Friday, 15 December 2000 - 07:16 pm | |
I'd appreciate someone reporting here on what Mr. Slemen has to say. Thank you.
(Shakily,)
David |
Author: Diana
Friday, 15 December 2000 - 09:40 pm | |
| I bet its Arbie La Bruckman! |
Author: Rotter
Friday, 15 December 2000 - 10:50 pm | |
| It doesn't matter how many volumes of this tripe he has produced, it is still laughable. I can't describe the silliness of his web site, with his defense of astrology, with his straight-faced proposal that Jesus may have been an alien, with the giant alien stranded in Siberia when his nuclear-powered spaceship crashed, with the various ghosties and spook stories listed on this ridiculous site. Of course the fact that 99% of what he has written is rubbish doesn't mean that he hasn't found the answer to the Ripper question. But by reading his site one can see that he is the kind of person who is very sloppy with facts and has absolutely no standards in their analysis. Incidentally, why do we have two posters appearing for the first time here to announce this "discovery" and defend the reputation of the author in question? Has his publicity machine decided to take advantage of the free exposure the message boards offer? |
Author: Grailfinder
Saturday, 16 December 2000 - 12:13 am | |
| You echo my thoughts Rotter! |
Author: Cliff Jones
Saturday, 16 December 2000 - 02:10 am | |
| Rotter, your words show how pathetic you are man. Mind you, I bet you have lived on this board for some time. What books have you written? I have never heard of you, and what are your theories on the Ripper? Man, you've been looking into the case with your "analytical" mind for some time I bet, and you know zilch. You probably think you own the copyright on the case.You don't own these message boards. You should get a life and stop hogging them. Its the Jack the Ripper forum, not the Rotter SHow. |
Author: Richard Warner
Saturday, 16 December 2000 - 02:35 am | |
| Way to Go Cliff. Those two fags know NOTHING about Jack's identity, and it hurts their little hearts to think someone has solved the most famous mystery of history. People called the Beatles music tripe, they called Speilberg's Jaws tripe, and many other artists. But who can remember the names of these no marks who called those artists tripe? Grailfinder (hah! what a name - it'll be the year 3000 by the time you have an inkling). |
Author: Cliff Jones
Saturday, 16 December 2000 - 02:42 am | |
| By the way, I have just screen dumped this page and will be forwarding the contents - which include your serious defamatory remarks - to Mr Slemen. He recently successfully sued a journalist and was awarded considerable damages. Have a happy holiday Rotter. |
Author: Rotter
Saturday, 16 December 2000 - 02:47 am | |
| You seem awfully interested in this quack--perhaps you work for him? Is this the way he works, by intimidating critics with threats? Then he is even closer in kind to Uri Geller than I first thought. If the charlatan has anything to say let him post it here rather than using his proxies. See you at the next seance. |
Author: Jon
Saturday, 16 December 2000 - 10:12 am | |
Cliff / Richard
Collectively, the regular contributors on these boards know all there is to know about the Ripper mystery.
If Mr Slemen's theory has any merit it will surely stand the test of all these knowledgeable contributors, some of which have been involved in this study for 10-20-30 yrs.
Change your tone Gentlemen, we are here to discuss the mystery NOT to tollerate insults from newcomers.
Welcome to the boards.
Regards, Jon |
Author: Cliff Jones
Sunday, 17 December 2000 - 12:08 am | |
| We "newcomers" merely came on to say that a man was broadcasting a documentary about the Ripper and Rotter (whatever his real name is) abreacted rather curiously by calling the man's work "tripe" and the author a "charlatan". That is not knowledgeable or professional, it's embarrassingly childish. I am sure legal action will ensue. |
Author: Paul Begg
Sunday, 17 December 2000 - 03:03 am | |
It hardly seems worth the time to point out that although words like "tripe" and "charlatan" may seem harsh, given Rotter's description and assessment of the content of Mr. Slemen's web site
they constitute the sort of legitimate criticism to be expected from anyone even mildly sceptical and hardly seem curious or childish. On the other hand, describing the critics as "fags" is a gross personal insult, is childish (well, infantile really) and not in any sense legitimate criticism. Even if Mr. Slemen could bring legal action, it wouldn't do more than generate a few smiles and a chuckle here and there. |
Author: Judith Stock
Sunday, 17 December 2000 - 03:28 am | |
AND a lot of grins and giggles everywhere else!
Cheers, Paul, and happy Christmas to you and the
family.
Judy |
Author: Paul Begg
Sunday, 17 December 2000 - 04:41 am | |
| And the happiest of Christmas's to you, too, Judy, and the everyone else who reads treads these boards. And may I hope that 2001 is the best year ever for all. |
Author: Rotter
Sunday, 17 December 2000 - 05:07 am | |
| Thank you Jon, Grailfinder and particularly Paul Begg. I further wish to point out that that I deservedly ridiculed the Tom Slemen website and not (at first) the two "newcomers" who seem to have some vested interest in promoting this "event" and even offer Slemen legal advice. I am disgusted by "journalists" and others who peddle superstitious garbage to extract cash from gullible people. There is a rodent called John Edward doing this on American cable TV right now and it is reprehensible. An antidote to this poison is to read a few books by skeptics James Randi and Martin Gardner. James Randi in particular knows the tactics of these frauds who use lawsuits to stifle criticism. Anyone who has read the disputes here over the Maybrick Diary knows how rough Ripperology can get (even the ghost of Maybrick has apparently chimed in,seen the Slemen site), but I am not aware of anyone filing lawsuits so that say, Melvin Harris can't express his opinions in his inimitable style. If Tom Slemen uses that type of intimidation (and I don't know that he does, it is just implied by Cliff Jones) then that is supremely disgusting. |
Author: Mitch
Sunday, 17 December 2000 - 07:28 pm | |
How come we have to tolerate the insults between old-timers, but not new comers? In the interests of fairness after all...
Mild dig at the Diary Board, forgive me. |
Author: Walter Timothy Mosley
Sunday, 17 December 2000 - 09:55 pm | |
Well, we Ripper enthusiasts certainly do find the above information and exchanges intriguing, to say the least.
Perhaps the warring parties would care to air their differences in a more intimate venue - that of The JTR Chatroom.
We invite Mr. Slemen's advocates and his detractors to join us in Ripperchat, where a wide variety of ripperphiles, both amateur and professional, will engage them in knowledgeable conversation, where all possibilities will be explored in a non-partisan atmosphere. If there is a chance of a hitherto unknown revelation concerning JTR, we can do no less.
If you are interested in same, please contact me at btmosley@bigfoot.com and I will arrange a suitable date and time for this chat session.
Best,
WTM |
Author: Rotter
Monday, 18 December 2000 - 04:34 am | |
| The chatroom discussion is an interesting thought. But shouldn't we wait until the material has been broadcast? |
Author: Caroline Anne Morris
Monday, 18 December 2000 - 05:58 am | |
Couldn't agree more, Rotter. (Good to see you posting again BTW.)
It does seem to me that people on both 'sides' are becoming supremely sensitive (or insensitive), considering the material in question has yet to be broadcast. God alone knows what stormy times lie ahead for us all here in January!
Why don't we all conjure up some Christmas spirits, and raise our glasses instead of our blood pressures?
Mine's a large one if anyone's buying. ;-)
Love,
Caz (aka Norma Swiggs) |
Author: Alan Hunt
Monday, 18 December 2000 - 09:04 pm | |
could'nt agree more caz-lets wait until the deed is done and then argue the toss until the cows come home,alhough its fun to read all these irate messages.
Large vodka & redbull caz? nice costume the other saturday
cheers
Alan |
Author: Caroline Anne Morris
Tuesday, 19 December 2000 - 04:36 am | |
Thanks Alan, don't mind if I do. Do you think vodka & redbull is like Special Brew? Best before 10am? 
Bottoms up!
Love,
Caz |
Author: Rotter
Tuesday, 19 December 2000 - 04:48 am | |
| Thanks,C.A.M.,it's nice to be back. |
Author: Walter Timothy Mosley
Tuesday, 19 December 2000 - 08:21 am | |
To respond to Rotter's point about waiting post-broadcast to engage in chat, I would venture to say that afterwards there will be no end of discussion, both on these message boards and in The JTR Chatroom.
Rather, I had hoped to have a preliminary discussion on the merits of Mr. Slemen's claims with the gentlemen who have contributed above and try to ameliorate their obviously hard feelings in the spirit of advancing knowledge of the Whitechapel Murders and JTR.
Surely, at this point, there is SOMETHING that can be shared with the masses without spoiling the forthcoming broadcast. As Mr. Slemen is an unknown to most of us, we would like to know more of his background, research into JTR, and so forth. If the parties involved condescend to agree to a chat session, there will be stimulating conversation for us all. The offer remains open.
WTM |
Author: Christopher T George
Tuesday, 19 December 2000 - 09:55 am | |
Hi, all:
I don't know Mr. Slemen but, as he does, I come from Merseyside, although I am now resident in the United States. I was previously aware of Tom Slemen because of his interest in and books about ghosts in the Merseyside region. His upcoming theory of course interests me. Both Tumblety and (obviously) James Maybrick had ties to Liverpool. We know Slemen rejects "M" as the Ripper since he relates the story of the medium vomiting and speaking in the voice of "M" to decry that he had been named as Jack. I doubt if Slemen's suspect will turn out to be Tumblety either. However, James Kelly is another suspect with ties to Liverpool. I wonder if Slemen's suspect is James Kelly? Or will he (or she) turn out to be someone brand new who has never been "fingered"? I am sure we will soon find out. As does Tim, I welcome Mr. Slemen and his supporters to join us in the chat room at http://www.geocities.com/grahf_chess/index.html to talk about the case.
Chris George |
Author: Jon
Tuesday, 19 December 2000 - 12:48 pm | |
Chris
Cliff Jones informed us....
"Slemen's suspect fits the bill and are amazed no one came across the suspect before."
So, I doubt it is anyone we have previously considered.
Jon
(not exactly holding my breath) |
Author: The Viper
Tuesday, 19 December 2000 - 01:10 pm | |
It's still my guess that he'll name a member of the IWMEC.
Regards, V. |
Author: Christopher T George
Tuesday, 19 December 2000 - 02:56 pm | |
Hi, Jon:
Silly me, I realized after posting my message when I reread Mr. Jones's message that Slemen would name a previously unnamed suspect. As we all wait with bated breath. . .
Chris George |
Author: Diana
Tuesday, 19 December 2000 - 06:32 pm | |
| Is there a previously unnamed suspect? All you had to do was be alive and reasonably healthy in 1888 and someone somewhere would consider you. How about Santa Claus. The murders stopped because the Christmas season was coming on and he got too busy. |
Author: Rotter
Tuesday, 19 December 2000 - 07:23 pm | |
| I think we are being set up for another "Maybrick Diaries" type episode. Take a look at the website in question and you will see the need for extreme skepticism. |
Author: R.J. Palmer
Tuesday, 19 December 2000 - 10:11 pm | |
Hello.
I couldn't help but notice that the Rev. Samuel Barnett was on Slemen's list of 'Top Ten Suspects'. Is this something new, or has it been around the block before?
I tend to think that we'll see someone with star appeal. My guess is either Bram Stoker or Rasputin.
Cheers,
RJP |
Author: Judith Stock
Wednesday, 20 December 2000 - 10:43 am | |
Greetings all,
I'm still holding out for Victoria in lifts and a false mustache, OR Howdy Doody disguised in a Sooty suit (he was so short no one noticed him).
Either of the above will do.......you can tell how excited I am about yet ANOTHER suspect, who is, as yet, un-named. I agree with Diana..I didn't know ANYONE from that period is un-named!
Cheers to all; have a happy and healthy holiday season and return ready to do battle once more.
I'll see everyone in the next century,
Judy |
Author: Walter Timothy Mosley
Wednesday, 03 January 2001 - 01:08 pm | |
The event of the announcement of JTR's identity by Mr. Slemen is no longer being advertised on his website, and the exchanges on this message board have ceased altogether.
If this event is still a go, can anyone tell us just when in January the announcement will take place? Those who frequent The JTR Chatroom are certainly interested, as must be many of those who merely peruse the boards.
If there is any news in particular, please post it here or e-mail me at btmosley@bigfoot.com and I will see that it is properly disseminated. Thanks,
WTM |
Author: Rotter
Thursday, 04 January 2001 - 05:19 am | |
This doesn't surprise me. For a little fun, check out the keywords on this Tom Slemen page:
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Land/7507/jack.html
go to the site, choosing "view source" on your browser, and check the line near the top starting as <meta name="keywords" ... |
Author: Walter Timothy Mosley
Thursday, 04 January 2001 - 07:01 pm | |
Rotter:
I took your advice and had a look. It IS amusing, I must say.
However, this situation has become a bit of an anticlimax and a mystery itself. Does the removal of the JTR banner advertisement from Slemen's website and the continued silence here by his advocates mean that now there will be no such revelation forthcoming? Did the suspect to be named by Slemen this month turn out to have a fatal and undisclosed flaw, discovered only after the initial fanfare? Has there been information released elsewhere that is unavailable to us in the States? Was this whole thing just a publicity stunt, as it would outwardly appear to be?
We would like some definitive answers, as the regular JTR chatters, myself among them, have looked forward to this event for some time now with eager anticipation. If you have further information you would care to share, we invite you to ripperchat with us - I can promise you an intelligent audience.
Best,
WTM |
Author: Davidoz
Thursday, 04 January 2001 - 07:51 pm | |
R.J.Palmer,
"There was one tomb more noble than all the rest. Huge it was. And well proportioned. On it was written the WORD,
O.U.O.S.V.A.V.V
D M
This then was the home of the undead KING VAMPIRE:
DRACULA
King of the Juwes of Sion |
Author: Paul Begg
Friday, 05 January 2001 - 03:55 am | |
| I have had a chance to communicate with Tom Slemen, who is a nice chap, and he has told me that he doesn't know the 'fans' who posted to the Boards. He will be making a broadcast in late January or early February about a new suspect and I hope to be able to publish his revelations in Ripperologist (did I just hear somebody say something about no real Ripper person should be without a subscription?). |
Author: Caroline Anne Morris
Friday, 05 January 2001 - 04:15 am | |
Hi Paul,
You did indeed - it was me! ;-)
Love,
Caz |
Author: Davidoz
Friday, 05 January 2001 - 05:09 am | |
Men will praise the Beast, and say: "Who is like this creature?" On each man's hand will be the Mark of this Beast..."$".
Here then is Wisdom, Count his NAME, His MARK and His NUMBER.......
DRACULA ANTECHRIST,666. |
