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Author: Jon Friday, 16 February 2001 - 06:48 pm
Ed. You have closed your mind to the evidence, you are at a point where your theory has taken on a life of its own and is leading you down the yellowbrick road. No offence intended Ed, but your proposal borders on fantasy. Most of the older hands here talk about 'possibilities', mainly because they (including me) have been through the "I have solved it" phase and have been able to look back on those days with 20-20 vision, and just hope anyone who heard our ramblings have a short memory. Count how many times you use "I think" in all your previous postes, you have convinced yourself of a particular set of circumstances and apparently are not willing to discuss alternate solutions. I enjoy reading your postes Ed but maybe if you were a little more objective? Regards, Jon
Author: Triston Marc Bunker Friday, 16 February 2001 - 07:29 pm
E. or "Ed" I have to follow what Jon just said, and what Wolf said as well. I never did take a masonic view of things that serious, you bloohound thing sounded a lot better second time around when you adjusted it after that "misunderstanding", so to speak. But then you came here giving you're ideas and belief's and I'll still give that piece of lit a try. I'll make up my own opinion on your opinion. But in the mean time, does anyone wanna be a critic on it before I read it ? Tris
Author: E Carter Saturday, 17 February 2001 - 02:04 am
Good morning Wolf, Read all the evidence with care and think of Elizabeths position on the floor her feet were about five inches nearer the right wall than the head, put your self in Dutfields yard. Now why can you only see the soles of her boots? Because the feet were pointing down!Only the front of her dress was up a little. Blackwell dropped the cachous on giving them to Phillips but if you read with care the sweets were scattered on the floor before this transaction took place. Fanny arrived on the door step at around 12-50 a/m, if she was there at 1230 why did she miss the scene described by Swartz at 1245 and the other people that entered and exited the yard? Did the killer cut Polly from the lower abdomen right up to her sterneum by throwing up the dress? Why could neither Cross or Paul pull the dress down. The papers are not the only source, they are useful, does it mean that because the papers did not mention dogs no one else thought of the idea? Read about alchemists. With all due respect I suggest you look for the code I mentioned earlier.--I'v just returned from my morning jog. Lets think of Eddows, why cut a piece of cloth and take it with you? By the time you have cut it and wiped the knife, you could have wiped the knife and put it away clean, why transfere all the blood and faecal matter on the cloth then put it away soiling your clothes. This man had a red hanki why not put it in this? The man who met Mary Kelly tapped her on the shoulder, i'm sure he greeted her before she greeted him back with a common London word on meeting someone, 'alright'! He said 'you will be alright for what I have told you'! But what had he told her and more importantly when? Apparently they had only just met! Unless this was their second meeting, I think Hutchinson spoiled the plot by following them,the killers then used a contingency plan. Earlier I have stated that anyone can examine my work on the graffito as long as the person named is of good repute, they are welcome to give their opinion on this site. I can be in London on monday morning, 9a/m. I'll buy the breakfast! I will open a new arguement on the casebook to take all the flack if I am wrong! Ashling can flog me with a dead cat! The graffito is conclusive! P>S Jon I'v taken note of what you have said, PPS, Tris, If you supply an address, possibly one of your local shops or your local pub I will send the book to you. ED
Author: Jade Bakys Saturday, 17 February 2001 - 07:46 am
As I said before Ed, I am enjoying and viewing closely what you write. The one thing I have noticed about your writing and theory is that there is an absence of convoluted lecturing, and you dismiss some of the more admonishing criticism without resorting to petty intellectual prevarication which is typical of this sites message board. You do assume however that posters have an abundance of knowledge both theoretical and forensic on the murders, by guiding to them to sources, which might be difficult to obtain. This is not a criticism, it is just that when you say these things I wish I had the sources in front of me! Best regards Jade
Author: E Carter Saturday, 17 February 2001 - 10:02 am
Ok Jade point taken, try this. The East end murders revived an interest in bloodhounds and trials were suggested by a Whitechapel workman in the Star on 8 September, the day of the Chapman killing. Sugden P. 'The Complete History of Jack The Ripper'Robinson Constable Publishing 1994 London. Page 136 last paragraph. Love ED>
Author: Jade Bakys Saturday, 17 February 2001 - 03:14 pm
Thanks Ed I am reading Sugden's book at the moment, and I do have it in front of me! let you know about the paragraph! Thanks! Love Jade
Author: Jack D. Killian Monday, 19 February 2001 - 01:35 pm
Hi Ed, I presumed the killer took the piece of Eddowes'apron in order to wrap up the body parts he or she was taking away. I would love to review your work on the Graffito. I am not sure if I meet your criteria as a person of good repute. I think of myself as an honest and open-minded chap. I do take an interest in encoded messages as I earn a living implementing cryptographic mechanisms for computer systems....digital signature and data encryption...that sort of thing. Also, I am not sure of the venue you were speaking to for reviewing your work. I am a Yank living in the former colonies...hopefully, this does not disqualify me ;-) Cheers, JD
Author: E Carter Tuesday, 20 February 2001 - 09:33 am
Hi Jade, sure Jack but I will have to get back to you later, I am up to my neck in work at present. Look up letter 'L' in the Hebrew alphabet, it's'lamed': 'B'-lamed'for nothing', does this ring a bell? . Lamed has three other denotations, 1. extend above spititual teaching, 2. goad, 3. 30. There are less significant meaning but each letter has a such a 'major' denotation as those mentioned above. The number forty can only be hinted at, thus the author states 'for nothing'! This means purification and renewal in a higher state and only occurs through water, denoted by the letter 'm' or 'mem', thus the arrow on the letter 'm' above. Forty also means the last piece--complete, for example, for you, Christmas becomes whole when you buy a Christmas tree, for me, when Christmas dinner is served, it's the thing that makes an event complete for you. Love ED. But don't jump to conclusions! Sorry Jon, I just can't help it!Amongst others --- The Elements of Judaism, Lancaster Brian, Element Books Dorset 1995.
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan Tuesday, 20 February 2001 - 11:03 am
Dear Ed, Now you say, a "Jew" who could'nt spell? Or are you implying an apprentice 'cabballist'? Or, do you infer it was written by a 'cabballist' who was also an 'alchemist'? Or....???? Love, Rosemary
Author: E Carter Tuesday, 20 February 2001 - 11:49 am
Hello Rosemary, the three apprentices who killed the architect of Solomon's temple (Hiram Abiff)were named; Jubelo Jubela and Jubelum, collective called the 'Juwes'! Most arguments focus upon whether the Victorian Freemasons were aware of the names, and there can be no doubt that they were. But where did they obtain this knowledge from? It came from the cabalists' who were also alchemists! Jewish mysticism and alchemy go hand in hand, oral tradition passes from one generation down to another--from one generation to the next. The author of the graffiti wrote the names correctly, and he knew exactly who the Juwes were! There are so many reasons that indicate he knew what he was doing, for a small example; Look at the letter 'l' in Blamed, why is this letter separate from both the 'B' and the 'a'? The simple answer is that it was written first! As a guideline! And the letters either side were written after, and if so, we must ask why? The letter 'W' above was probably written subsequently to the the letter 'l'. This man seldom took his instrument from the text,unless he had a very good reason his normal hand flowed from one letter to the next! The 'T' 'h' in the first line's different altogether! Back soon as I can, Love ED. P>S those gaps are wrong!
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan Tuesday, 20 February 2001 - 12:49 pm
Dear Ed, I do see (god knows how) where you are coming from... Do you know what "solipsism" is? No, not Lipski-speak. It concerns an ever recurrent (some say, inherent) problem of consciousness and the object, i.e., consciousness has for its 'object', the subject of its own consciousness of the object, and, then it gets awfully confusing...and we often discover that, for example, 'the writing on the wall' isn't really the "object" we call, the writing on the wall. ;-) Love, Rosemary
Author: Jon Tuesday, 20 February 2001 - 01:34 pm
..which sounds suspiciously like psycho-babel, you know what I mean?.....the kind of phrase that gets the "Oh, yes, that right" response from people who feel like they are expected to understand, but dont, and dont like to admit it. Oh, yes, Rosemary, thats right Regards, Jon
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan Tuesday, 20 February 2001 - 02:26 pm
Dear Jon, Now I shall cry! But, of course, you are so right, Jon.:-) Love, Silly Me, Rosemary
Author: Joseph Tuesday, 20 February 2001 - 02:34 pm
Hi Ed, Actually, solipsism is a fairly straightforward proposal that implies: Only your own experiences are real, while all else, is the product of your internal mental state, (consciousness). It's one of the problems Descartes wrestled with while he was whacking together the cogito. It (solipsism) is also a philosophical concept that was rendered completely moot with the 1781-1787 publication of The Critique of Pure Reason by Immanuel Kant. Applying the Hebrew alphabet to the graffiti mystery is way cool forensics. Original thinking, BRAVO. What made you go in that direction? I have an unrelated question for you. Messrs. Knight and Lomas have mentioned that the contemporaries of St. Paul referred to him as "Paul the liar". Off hand, would you know where this information is from?
Author: Jade Bakys Tuesday, 20 February 2001 - 04:08 pm
I wish that were the case often, especially on these boards. So many inflated egos I wonder it hasn't shot off into cyber space.
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan Tuesday, 20 February 2001 - 05:13 pm
Dear Jade, You ARE in cyber-space, sweetheart :-) Love, Rosemary
Author: Simon Owen Tuesday, 20 February 2001 - 07:21 pm
The description of St Paul as the Liar comes from the Dead Sea Scrolls , ie the two enemies of James the Just are The Wicked Priest and the Liar. Check out the book " The Dead Sea Scrolls Deception " by Bagent and Leigh for more details. Mr Carter , I'm interested in your idea that the bodies were moved to the locations they were found in : I wonder if I could prevail upon you to provide a list of evidence in each case that points to this being so , work pressures permitting. Your theories are very interesting and I always look forward to your postings ! Simon
Author: David M. Radka Tuesday, 20 February 2001 - 07:32 pm
The first Critique, as I comprehend it, deals with the transcendental aesthetic, i.e., that in order that I have any experience at all, I must have it in time and space. How does this render the 'I think' moot? I still must have some starting point in my thinking, mustn't I? Kant deals with the a priori conditions of my existence, DesCartes with where I start, seems to me. As I see it, this does have import to the case and its solution.
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan Tuesday, 20 February 2001 - 09:26 pm
Dear Ed, You know that the writing on the wall was erased and we are dependent on the various efforts of those witnesses who were present - prior to its erasure. That leaves your claim of an 'Hebraic' formulation, of whatever permutation, dependent on the secondary source material...and even the tertiary source material.But I credit you with the sense to see this...unless, you are 'fighting with a monster'. Love, Rosemary
Author: E Carter Tuesday, 20 February 2001 - 10:29 pm
Line three reads Will not b-up-down. Why will it not b-up-down, again, you judge me far too quickly! P.S what is b-B-l? in Hebrew. Why does the graffiti have indents and why is the 'l' not joined to the letters either side, could this be because it was written first and the others written directly after?
Author: Joseph Tuesday, 20 February 2001 - 10:55 pm
Hello Everyone, Mr. Radka, To avoid any further misunderstanding, I have amended my previous message. Mr. Owen, Thank you for the information, I appreciate it very much. Ms. O'Ryan, As Mr. Smyth has pointed out on another thread, (Bottom line, Who was Jack- By Jon on Wednesday, November 01, 2000 - 12:25 pm) the graffito was written in script; the length of the curls and loops, both above and below the baseline impact ones impression of what is written. There is also some discrepancy as to the exact content, and word arrangement of the text. However, it appears to me that Ed is offering his interpretation on one of the more widely held variations. Ripperology needs fresh minds with new ideas to investigate or reinvestigate all the different aspects of the case. Respectfully Ms. O'Ryan, is it your contention that some stones should be left undisturbed? Personally, I don't believe the Casebook Jacks should be endeavoring to suppress original thought, but rather we should be encouraging it when it's done in a serious and rational manner. I think the sequence of logic Ed uses to formulate his hypothesis could stand up to the scrutiny of the scientific method, which is the reason why I asked him to explain his source of motivation. Furthermore, I think that if Ed has enough interest in this subject to invest four years of his spare time, analyzing, researching, and redacting data, in order to compile a hypothesis, he would also be well versed in all the surrounding circumstances relevant to his subject of study. The only monsters that Ed may be forced into combat with are the naysayers who feel confident that they know more, or better then anyone else. I'm confident Ed Carter will not fight alone.
Author: E Carter Wednesday, 21 February 2001 - 02:23 am
Line 2 the men=iron hat=silver=exchange from lower to higher, read alchemy! The exchange will not b-up-down. 'B'-'lamed'=extend 'B' above spititual teaching, four nothing for renewal in a higher state. The exchange will not b-up-down extend 'B' above spiritual teaching for renewal in a higher state! Now why will the exchange not b-up-down
Author: E Carter Wednesday, 21 February 2001 - 02:24 am
Look at the arrows!
Author: Jade Bakys Wednesday, 21 February 2001 - 02:43 am
Ed you are not alone It is under considerable strain Rosmary:<A HREF="http://forum.casebook.org" I would trip trap my way down Ed�s bridge anytime, it might be educational, but no others bridges here have anything much to offer; there is something offensive living under your bridges. I surmise it is you that fail to deliver anything beyond your own pedantic diarrhoea.
Author: E Carter Wednesday, 21 February 2001 - 02:57 am
The hatchet still sits on Mary Kelly's table, it takes time, but it is there! It's short and pointed, it's a specialist tool!
Author: E Carter Wednesday, 21 February 2001 - 03:02 am
Look at the 'l' and the 'n' the letter 'n' denotes the gates of understanding! Get the elements of Judaism, The elements of alchemy and simon Singh's, the code book. b-B-l in Hebrew, beth-beth-lamed means babel or temple in tetragrammeron, for example, Jehova, becomes, I think JHVA.
Author: E Carter Wednesday, 21 February 2001 - 08:42 am
Some refs from a few previously mentioned books. Egyptian Metals; http://www.levity.com/alchemy/egyptian_symbols.html Men= Iron Hat= Silver Nub= Gold Xomt=Copper Teht=Lead. The Elements of Alchemy Alchemy is the art of transformation. The work of the alchemist is to bring about succeeding changes in the material he operated on, transforming from a gross unrefined state to a perfect and purified form. To turn base metals in to gold is the simplest expression of this aim. The white stone as it is known is said to be capable of transmuting metals to silver. Cherry Gilchrist, Element books Dorset 1991. The Code Book. Medieval monks were intrigued by the fact that the Old Tesatment contained deliberate and obvious example of cryptography, for example pieces of text were encrypted with atbash a traditional form of Hebrew. The term atbash hints at the substitution it describes, involving taking a letter from the beginning of the alphabet, and replacing it with a letter that is an equal number from the end. An example of atbash appears in Jeramiah 25:26 and 51:41, where babel is replaced by the word sheshach; the letter of the word babel is b or beth this is replaced by 'S' or shin. The second letter is again 'b'or beth and again this is replace by 's' or shin ( alphabet only runs from a to t.Page 26 Simon Singh fourth Estate 1999. The Elements of Judaism. Number symbolism is central to much of Jewish philosophy; the number forty conveys particular symbolic significance, forty stands for purification and renewal in a higher state. Forty is conveyed by the letter mem or'm'which itslf means purification renewal and consiousness. Forty can only be hinted at; it is up to each individual to reach for that transendant spark that makes their shabbat holy and receive accordingly the spirit of renewal. Letter significant associations N Nun Gates of understanding M Mem Purification and renewal, consiousness L Lamed Extends above; spiritual Teaching. Elements of Judaism, exact wording. beth beth lamed=babel=temple. Look through the gates of understanding; the exchange will not b-up-down.
Author: Jade Bakys Wednesday, 21 February 2001 - 02:22 pm
Thanks for the info Ed Love Jade
Author: Joseph Wednesday, 21 February 2001 - 05:56 pm
Hello Mr. carter, What led you to the Hebrew alphabet as a possible solution to grafitti mystery?
Author: Ashling Wednesday, 21 February 2001 - 08:12 pm
ED--a quick question, please. What steps have you taken to prove that the graffito that you're "translating" is a verbatim copy of how each letter of each word appeared on the door facing--rather than being in the normal handwriting or hand printing style of Halse and/or Long? For instance, a sample of Halse and/or Long's handwriting--at least their signatures--might be found in the police files of their service records. Determining if Halse always left a space between the A and the L when writing his name is just one of the many handwriting points that could be explored. I'd greatly appreciate knowing if this avenue of research has been explored by yourself or others. Thanks, Ashling
Author: Jade Bakys Thursday, 22 February 2001 - 05:44 am
Hi Ed just a matter of tiny detail. It may not be relevent to the Hebrew alphabet theory, but which syntax structure are we looking at for the writing on the fascia of brick edging the doorway? I am looking at Sugden's interpretation. Thanks! Love Jade
Author: E Carter Thursday, 22 February 2001 - 09:20 am
I will get back to you Ashling a.s.a.p, Jade Sugdens printers delivered the text wrong in that particular book.(check with them, the name of the person dealing with his publications is Christine Green). I am sure you have noticed that if the 'B'moves to the place indicated by the arrow, you can read the words atbash in the top line, reading back, down, then up, from the word 'a', in are, to the letter'h' in hat. The atbash counterpart of 'B' is 'S' but remember the letter 'B' symbolizes 'duality',thus two can exist at the same time, sort of opposite to each other, look into this if you can it's very interesting. The 'b' in line three, I belive states 'the exchange will not b-up-down, remember, it's important! Whilst you look at this, here is a small reading from 'The elements of Judaism'; On completion of the temple, 'It is for this reason that he is called Solomon which means complete'. (Hebrew for complete, Solomon root=Shlm) back asap. Love ED. P.S have you ever looked at mystic writing, a friend of mine a trained Catholic Preist worked in Africa for a while,where this type of thing exists in another form. On seeing the graffiti he unswervingly stated it was mystic, I found this interesting, no more than that, but very interesting! The elements of Judaism; Bet =Beth significant association explosive begining 'duality'. P.S, Jade, As you know it's always best to go as near to the source of information as possible, look at the copy of the graffiti text at the public records office, near Richmond. Love ED> I had to discover someones middle name about a year ago, the records office was essential!
Author: E Carter Thursday, 22 February 2001 - 11:14 am
Hi Ashling, if you don't mind, let's just look at the text before moving on. In writing the graffito the author seldom takes his writing instrument from the text until he arrives at the 'W' and the 'B' 'l' 'a'. If lining something up vertically it is common to put the 'key objects' down first as a guideline, he wrote the 'l' and the 'W' first the others later, therefore the hand stops flowing and unthinkingly he isolates the letters either side. The author's normal hand would have flowed from the 'B' onto the 'l' and then directly over onto the top of the 'a'. If the 'W' above had not also been detached I would have more doubt. Look how he took pains to join the 'T' to 'h' in 'The', and how he flows in the 'B' and the 'f'. Look at the dash over nothing! No! The continuity stopped for a reason, his normal hand flowed! If this was a social message written by Joe Public, why did he suddenly stop and isolate these letters? The indents. You will seldom see indented graffiti unless there is a good reason, why indent something on both side that you could indent only on the right and with exactly the same effect? This is only a message after all! Why write the Juwes are the men that will not be Blamed for nothing! When 'The Juwes won't be blamed for nothing would have more than sufficed'. Why write a positive and then cancel it with a negative? If this man was a Jew, he would have probably been able to spell it! Unless he knew who the Juwes were! And someone who uses four different types of 'T--'a stylized 'B'and Capitalizes letters,would probably be able to spell a three lettered word like Jew! Look at the detail the copier has place in the capital 'B' the capital 'Ts' and the intricate flow he followed in the loop of the 'f' he has even dotted the two 'i's. Those who saw the text recognized the spelling of Jews was wrong, the person who copied this text followed it meticullously, and I believe he would have got that right! I have to go now I will get back to you, Love ED>
Author: Jade Bakys Thursday, 22 February 2001 - 01:10 pm
Thanks Ed Love jade
Author: Ashling Thursday, 22 February 2001 - 03:38 pm
ED--Please answer my question ... Do you have copies of Halse's and/or Long's handwriting? Thanks, Ashling
Author: E Carter Thursday, 22 February 2001 - 04:45 pm
Ashling, this, I think, is where researchers go wrong. I believe Halse actually copied the graffito, because his statements are up front, open and honest, Long's are much more vague. What really matters, is not who copied the text, but how it was copied! The person who stood in front of the Goulstone Street Graffiti could have been either, but they took the time to copy the a curve prior to the letter 'n' and an arrow on the one above! A curve before the 'm' and an arrow before another. He dotted the 'i', over nothing, exactly right! The author naturally finished the word nothing--then--dashed above it returning to dot the 'i'. This has been copied right! This is where people have been going wrong, No one who saw the text argues issues concerning anything but the word Juwes! If a paranoid psychotic passed Mrs Mortimers house on a pogo stick, then killed Eddows and wrote the text on the way home, the way the person copied it would tell us more about both the author and the copier than the words themselves, because unless the copier imagined the text, the words were were obviously written, and then copied meticulously! ED. Ashling, next time you post, do directly after mine, I will answer directly, honestly I am busy!
Author: E Carter Thursday, 22 February 2001 - 05:03 pm
Sorry I have been waiting reply,issues concerning the type of brickwork are more important, have you been to Goulstone Street and looked at the brick pattern? Love ED> Would you copy a murders work, then come back and dash the 'T' with a flourish of your own? Love ED. P>S Wynne Baxter, would, love you!
Author: Jack D. Killian Thursday, 22 February 2001 - 05:47 pm
Hi Ed, Is there a message in the brick pattern also? Can not brick patterns just be brick patterns? Even Freud was quoted as saying something to the effect that; "Sometimes, a cigar is only a cigar." :-) All kidding aside, I have enjoyed your postings and your quick educational pieces on Masonry and the Hebrew language. For a lay person as I, it is very beneficial...keep up the postings. Regards, JD
Author: Ashling Thursday, 22 February 2001 - 11:12 pm
ED-- I'm not sure if you misunderstand my question or are refusing to answer. If I've created confusion--I apologize and will rephrase my question: Do you have samples of any words Halse and/or Long wrote down other than the graffito? Their signatures? Request for sick leave? A report to their supervising officer? Any words either one of them ever put on paper OTHER THAN the graffito? There's no reason for you to take much time from your busy schedule to answer me ... A simple yes or no is all I need. Thanks, Ashling P.S. I don't monitor this board every second of every day, so there's no way I can guarantee my post will occur right after yours.
Author: E Carter Friday, 23 February 2001 - 02:42 pm
Jack, yes brick patterns,are infact, just brick patterns! But the main fashions are named either Old English or Flemish bond. The perpendicular and bed joints in each have effect on how the joints allow you to write on them! The upright joint is named a perp, the horizontal named a bed. A normal Victorian brick was four by nine inches, some joints are flat and are sealed with tuck pointing, i.e, as in Goulstone Street, more contemporary pointing comes off the wall making the surface uneven to write on and disturbing the effect. P>S He also said, 'I was paranoid until they got me!