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Freudian analysis
Casebook Message Boards: General Discussion: Medical / Forensic Discussions:
Freudian analysis
Author: Jeffrey Meyer
Tuesday, 20 February 2001 - 11:53 am |        | Does anyone know if Freud ever conducted an analysis of JTR's psyche and motives? What made me think of this was reading the medical report on Mary Kelly's body, with her uterus placed under her head - would make interesting reading.
Thanks
Jeff |
Author: Triston Marc Bunker
Tuesday, 20 February 2001 - 03:24 pm | | Jeff,
For you I break short a self induced excile that I put on myself just over 24 hours ago.
After reading your rather niffty question I e-mailed a friend of mine who so happens to be a student psychiatric nurse. He is a student learning while in situ and gave him a bridged version of Dr. Thomas Bonds scene of crime description of Mary Jane Kelly. As he is a very busy student it may take a week or two for you to get your answer from me.
May I add that I advised him to use his superiors at the hospital that he works in for advice and the books he studies from for reference. Hopefully I will be able to give you a full freudian outlook on the position of the body parts, plus a new profile as according to my friend and his sources of information.
When I do offer all this forward I know there will be lots of questions to be asked, when that happens I will introduce him to the fold, so to speak, to be cross examined.
In the mean time, if anyone has any questions to offer towards myself and my proposition (and if in doubt, the validity of my friend) do not hesitate to ask away. As I say, his findings may take a while (a week or two), but then again he hasn't officially agreed to do it though I know he will.
Tris |
Author: Martin Fido
Wednesday, 21 February 2001 - 08:03 am | | Jeff - Freud did make some remark about the Ripper - maddeningly I came across it only recently during the last week, and I cannot remember where it was. (Probably in a longer note on something else I was organising and filing as I am now sorting my papers from England). It was prtty much of an aside, and I didn't think it terribly accurate. Sorry to tantalize thus. Growing elderliness is an especial curse in its effect on the once exellent memory.
Martin F |
Author: Joseph
Wednesday, 21 February 2001 - 06:13 pm | | Hi Jeff,
We have a new contributor with a background (third year student) in psychiatry, (psychology?). Perhaps Ms. O'Ryan will share the benefits of her education with us her, and offer her opinion of the murderers psyche.
I have no hidden agenda Ms. O'Ryan, no one is going to hold your feet to the fire if you are wrong to any degree; you have a skill that may shed some light on the subject, or inspire someone to dig a little deeper in that direction.
Jeff if you ask her, maybe she'll consent. |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Wednesday, 21 February 2001 - 09:01 pm | | Dear Joseph,
You really know how to "sweet talk a girl".But I must confess to telling you all a lie. I am not a third year psychologist as I first claimed, now you know. |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Wednesday, 21 February 2001 - 09:17 pm | | Dear Joseph,
But many psychiatrists, psychologists and police officials have sought my opinion, in the past.
Rosemary |
Author: Joseph
Wednesday, 21 February 2001 - 10:46 pm | | Dear Ms. O'Ryan,
You may not be a third year psychology student, but you are a person with a great deal of courage, and a good sense of humor to match, and I admire both those qualities.
If police officials value your judgment, you must have a forensic talent at some level of competency. I'm interested in your opinion; please, take a shot at these two questions:
1- What type of personality would commits these kinds of brutal mutilations?
2- Do you think the mutilations were an act of frenzy, or deliberation?
Best Regards |
Author: David M. Radka
Wednesday, 21 February 2001 - 11:43 pm | | Joseph compliments the ladies even when they lie, but what does he do for me? He shows me as his favorite suspect for Jack the Ripper in his identity block, that's what!
David |
Author: Caroline Anne Morris
Thursday, 22 February 2001 - 05:41 am | | Hi David,
In the interests of strict accuracy here, what Joseph actually did was to acknowledge that one poster, who happened to be named Rosemary O'Ryan, had the courage to admit to a lie.
Some men show a tendency, in my experience, to take their own experience of one woman, and apply it to the entire flippin' female population.
I wonder if this this may go some way to explaining why some male murderers excuse themselves for killing a whole series of women who are complete strangers to them, whereas female murderers tend to have a recognisable motive for killing individuals who are known to them.
I find it refreshing that Joseph has never generalised on the Casebook when talking to and about 'the ladies'. We are all individuals to him.
Love,
Caz
PS And I am not a rabid feminist - honest. :-) |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Thursday, 22 February 2001 - 06:47 am | | Dear All,
Furthermore, I have been both the object and subject of both clinical and juridical curiousity.
I do have a great deal of courage, but often it borders on the reckless - even suicidal.
No. I would'nt even attempt an explanation of
'Jack's raison d'etre'.
However, I do believe he can be glimpsed as a 'woman'...in that women live their psyche, while only some men are granted this 'gift'.
Love,
Rosemary |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Thursday, 22 February 2001 - 08:24 am | | Dear All,
The strength of a man, but the cunning and stealth of a woman.
Dear Ed,
What do you think of this volatile 'alchemik'
connundrum?
Dear Caroline,
Of course you are right!
Dear Joseph,
"Psyche"? |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Thursday, 22 February 2001 - 11:27 am | | Dear All,
My second psychological profile of a 'murderer/ burglar', was at the behest of a Commander in Naval Intelligence. It prompted the officer in charge of the joint Special Branch/Regional Murder Squad to interview me as their Number One Suspect. Only the intervention of the Home Secretary at the time prevented further embarrassment. It was explained, that I was in the special custody of the Home Office in a maximum security enviroment at the time of this particular murder!
Still, the Chief Superintendent of the investigation was baffled how I could 'paint' a thousand words with a few scraps of paper and the stub of a pencil.
The 'profile' was a subject of Parliamentary debate, and reverberated around Whitehall for some time.
The 'suspect' shot himself just before the police went to interview him. I refused to do any further profiling for anyone since that date.
Love,
(guilty)
Rosemary |
Author: Jeffrey Meyer
Thursday, 22 February 2001 - 02:42 pm | | Come now Rosemary, a little (or lengthy) Freudian analysis of JTR by someone like yourself would be most welcome.
Best wishes
Jeff |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Thursday, 22 February 2001 - 03:55 pm | | Dear Jeff,
You mean all that Id, Ego and Superego, stuff. It is very old fashioned theory, mainly used by visiting Professors of Forensic Psychiatry on a wet Wednesday afternoon in Wakefield Prison. But on the odd occassion, while they eyed me over my voluminous file, petitely supped their cup of tea and ate their solitary biscuit,I would direct the
'table talk' to Laing, Cooper, Berke, et.al.Then the biggies like Sartre's 'Sketch for a Theory of Emotion'...and so on. They were either horrified or agog with excitement (not a pleasant sight I can assure you Jeff). They were each discovering this idiot savant of metapsychonarcosis was content to be there with a wickedly humourous
agenda that quite escaped them.
So much for a wet Wednesday afternoon...but Freud was not amused, I can tell you.
No. Freud & Jack...it just don't hack.
Love,
Rosemary |
Author: Joseph
Thursday, 22 February 2001 - 06:48 pm | | Hello Ms. Ryan,
I'm not interested in Freudian jargon; I'm thinking more along the lines of control, and out of control.
Using modern criminal psychiatric forensic science as the database, can a strong individual strangle a weak individual in cold blood, and then in a detached, but vigilant fashion, brutally and purposely mutilate the corpse? If it is indeed possible for a human to act in this manner; then are these the acts of a sane human being??
Or: Is this another day at the office for John J. Ripper? |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Thursday, 22 February 2001 - 07:12 pm | | Dear Jeff,
On a neo-Freudian level, one work I had managed to accomplish during one long stretch for Armed Robbery, Possession of Machine-guns, Forgery, and Minor Mayhem, was a manuscript entitled: 'Locks, Knots, Codes & Keys', but the Home Office confiscated it on the grounds of National Security.But not to worry, Rosemary blackmailed the barstards when their eye was off the ball, so to speak.
Murderers? I have known hundreds of murderers.I have also had the 'priviledge'of living with mass murderers. I did many sketches too. I have before me as I write this, a sketch of a convicted child- killer...poignant beyond all words. Nobody would
talk to him but myself, and a Mafia hit-man.He would come to my cell and I sketched him while he told me endlessly that he was innocent of brutally raping and killing a child. But I think I was more interested in the various techniques that were being employed by his Freudian psychiatrist to reveal his deep perversion which had an Oedipus -related aspect...etc.He adamantly refused to accept his guilt.
Then, miraculously, 15 years later, DNA proved he was not the killer!The cops had framed him
because...it was just so easy.
So, Jeff, don't ask me to apply the Freudian methodology to ANYONE. Police never 'catch' the main players of major crime...other criminals do!
No, I am not JTR. Yes, I do believe in fairies!
P.s. I am presently researching new modalities of crime for the future to enjoy...a DNA-based chess!
A new dawn is beginning!
Love,
Rosemary. |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Thursday, 22 February 2001 - 08:23 pm | | Dear Joseph,
Once or twice,I remember thinking I was insane...but they were moments of great lucidity.
On the other hand, I have been told by people that "I must have been insane" to do something they considered no sane person would do.In reply to the question, can a strong individual strangle
a weak individual in 'cold blood', my answer is affirmative. I am capable of doing this, in 'cold blood' for... a reason! And if my reason also extended to the 'brutal' mutilation of a corpse, I am also capable of this act...but I would require myself to be sufficiently swift and skilled in the required task. A little bit of theory and practise would greatly assist my (undoubted) gruesome task.
I would require an intimate knowledge of the area,
and many other seemingly irrelevant informations;
movement of people, lighting, weather, animals, and so on.
There is a primary area (the attack-space) and a secondary zone, which form a part of the 'critical zone':Means and modes of 'invisibility', as I term it.
Then there is the method of attack to be considered, each method requires minute adjustments within the developing project as a whole.
Then there are the necessary skills to be studied
and performed...in a secure private area. One must also recognise/ visualise what will confront you after you have finished your intended task.
Then, the most difficult part, retreat by stealth.
The nightmares may or may not bother you too much!
Love,
Rosemary |
Author: Joseph
Thursday, 22 February 2001 - 11:28 pm | | Hello Ms. O'Ryan,
Thank you for that piece of insight. It is especially poignant, and enlightening coming from an insider. There really is no teacher like experience, and if the gift of experience is understood, and appreciated by its recipient, life will unfold in front of you with the beauty and mystery of an orchid.
I have had the pleasure of being in fear for my life on a continuous basis, in a violent and unpredictable environment; thus, my nightmares are confined to mundane visions of spending a day with my ex-wife.
Thanks again. |
Author: Warwick Parminter
Friday, 23 February 2001 - 08:57 am | | I have a query regarding the smoking habits of the poorer people of the East End in 1888.
Being a smoker myself, who rolls his own cigarettes, I've wondered if it was also common in those days to do that. Were packeted cigarettes available in those days, and if they were, what brands were available and were they popular with the poor Eastender the same as beer and whisky. I've read that Barnett smoked a pipe, and it seems that Kate could possibly have smoked a pipe,(when she could afford to). But these were black clay pipes,-- they weren't the same pipes that kids used to use to blow soap bubbles, were they? What sort of tobacco was smoked in these clay pipes,and how long were they used before replacing? I can imagine Kate smoking anything in hers,--being so poor,--cigar butts, cigarette ends,--I notice she had a pipe, so did Claypipe Alice, but no mention of tobacco in their possession. I have lived in a Victorian house (1898) for the past 30yrs, whenever I dig the garden I can always turn up broken clay pipes, some plain bowled, some with faces, so has my friend who also lives in a Victorian house. I have always thought of them as childrens pipes, one other thing I'm always bringing to the surface is marbles,-green ones, I've got a biscuit barrel full of them,-- never found a sovereign or a coin of any kind though. If anyone is interested enough to comment and put me wise, I'd be obliged.
RICK |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Friday, 23 February 2001 - 09:15 am | | Dear Joseph,
Seein' yu's a gettlmin n'orl tha, is bin ma pleshur, sur!
Must dash and get the kid's tea ready now...then back to my opus magnus 'Criminologica Dialectica'.
A last sigh for my dog "Skip":
In Memento Mori.
Twinkle, twinkle, little star,
like a knife-tip from afar.
Up above the sky so blue,
"Skips" another, just like you!
Love ya all,
Rosemary |
Author: Triston Marc Bunker
Friday, 23 February 2001 - 12:43 pm | | Hey,
I turn my back on you lot for a few days and you fall to pieces. Look at me, I took a break and had a miracle cure in the spelling department.
As for you Jeff, I suggest you calm down with Rosemary a bit before Algeria accuses you of flirting (jealousy on Algerias part I think).
So say whatever Rosemary says on this subject is totally worth listening too. Even though, with me, she's a self proclaimed bluffer she does have that noddle of hers screwed on properly.
I continue to read this section with interest.
Tris |
Author: Christopher T George
Friday, 23 February 2001 - 02:09 pm | | Hi Rick:
The clay pipes that you turf up in the garden are not children's pipes. As a child, I used to dig up clay pipes all the time in the garden of the house where I was living in Liverpool on Aigburth Hall Avenue just up the road from Jim and Florie Maybrick's place, Battlecrease House.  These would have been pipes used by the farmworkers who worked the fields in what was then farmland before the garden suburbs were developed and the house where I lived was built in the 1930's. As for brands, the type of tobacco smoked by Clay Pipe Alice McKenzie or Catherine Eddowes in their pipes, if they had a good day, may have been Ogden's Midnight Flake or a similar brand. I am not certain when the cigarette was introduced, I had thought in the 1870s but it may not have been that early. Perhaps Martin or Paul could enlighten us. Capstan cigarettes and Woodbine cigarettes were two of the popular brands among the working classes very soon after our period of interest if not during it. Certainly smoking was ubiquitious in 1888, particularly among the men. We can safely say that pipes and cigars were smoked in 1888. Maybe we can imagine Jack having a puff of his cigar or his pipe on a street corner as he waited for his next victim to happen along.
Best regards
Chris George |
Author: stephen stanley
Friday, 23 February 2001 - 03:33 pm | | Mine of useless information time!!
The cigarette was invented in the 1840's by a group of Turkish soldiers whose communal pipe had been broken. Westerners picked up the habit as allies of the Turks in the Crimea.
Steve S. |
Author: Jade Bakys
Friday, 23 February 2001 - 04:05 pm | | marbles: bottle stoppers perhaps, bottles have been found with the marbles in them.
fags: Queen Victoria smoked the odd fag, to scare off midges in the garden; but hated the habit, and thought the habit disgusting. Benson & Hedges opened their first tobacconist in London in the 1880's. Tobacco was quite expensive in poor people terms and was often known to be subtituted with other dubious substances. Clay pipes were common amongst even young prostitutes, but I don't think late nineteenth century prostitute picked up a client with a fag dangling from the corner of her mouth, fags were probably quite expensive, although packets were widely available in the US of A, and the Cameo brand specially aimed at female smokers in the late 19th century. James Bonsack patented the first cigarette making machine in the 1880's. |
Author: Christopher T George
Friday, 23 February 2001 - 04:16 pm | | Thanks, Jade and Stephen for your information.
I have also heard from a correspondent who added the following:
"It’s my impression (mainly from literature) that cigarette smoking was essentially still a middle class habit in the 1880s. The working man predominately smoked a pipe until the start of the twentieth century, when working class men suddenly took up cigarettes in large numbers. Pipes could be clay or wooden, more often a clay pipe for the artisan--they were cheaper. Among the underclass there were quite a few women pipe smokers. Women barely smoked cigarettes at all then; when they did it was upper and middle class women who took up the habit first, almost always indoors (there was a certain etiquette attached to it).
"If JTR were a smoker, his smoking habits would probably be a direct reflection of his social class. If you favour a working class candidate, I’d suggest he was a pipe smoker. If a middle class candidate it would be far harder to guess; it could be a pipe, cigars, cigarettes or any combination."
Hope this helps.
Chris George |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Friday, 23 February 2001 - 05:19 pm | | Sorry Tris,
Smoke-break! Here we are, deep in forensics, a wide-open cadaver to warm us, and who should wander in...Wills & Co., Purveyors of Pestilence & clay pipes to royalty :-)
Love,
(ain't gone yet)
Rosemary |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Friday, 23 February 2001 - 07:10 pm | | Dear Tris,
Thanks for standing by me.
(Incidentally, did you know we are on an identity parade?)
A psychotic hermaphrodite maybe, but not a bluffer with her noddle screwed-on!
Love,
(why are they looking at me like that?)
Rosemary |
Author: Triston Marc Bunker
Friday, 23 February 2001 - 07:34 pm | | Rosemary,
I stand up for anyone that I believe. I've only been doing this message board thing for a week or two and already you are one of three people I would stand up for with real conviction. The other two are Caz and Paul Begg. In fact, risking myself being called atotal creep, if I was allowed ten people to sit with me at dinner (dead or alive) you three would be top of the table with me. Martin Fido and Keith Skinner running close behind, with Melvin Harris there to spark an arguement to get things warmed up.
Best I head off before I spell Aalegrias' name wrong again, hee hee hee.
Tris |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Friday, 23 February 2001 - 07:56 pm | | Dear Tris (& other diners),
I promise to keep my mouth shut.
Love,
Annabel-Rosemary |
Author: Warwick Parminter
Friday, 23 February 2001 - 08:38 pm | | Viper, Chris, Jade and Steve,
thanks for the information, it was very interesting to me. Steve, no information is useless so long as it makes sense to the reader, thank you for your contribution. I'll now leave the boards free for Rosemary, Triss, and their cadaver
best regards
Rick |
Author: Triston Marc Bunker
Friday, 23 February 2001 - 09:14 pm | | Yo, yo, yo,
Hold on a second Rick, are you Jeff under another name ? Jeff is the one who set the ball rolling here and only he can say he's had enough. For crying out loud, I still have my friend to report back to me with his findings and give a profile (that's only if he's interested, still no response I'm afraid.).
And for the record (this goes for everyone, yes everyone) Rosemary and myself are only on the same wave length and appreciate each other. At the moment I have my eye open for a Spanish girl who has legs going up to her armpits and a very pleasant butt to look at indeed.
Remaining on the subject in hand, I will still get back to you all. Whatever my friend comes up with could still be the same old same old. If not I hope we can all confere in peace.
Tris. |
Author: Warwick Parminter
Saturday, 24 February 2001 - 05:17 am | | SPRY,
CAN YOU HELP PLEASE, I CAN'T GET OUTLOOK EXPRESS MESSAGE BOARDS TO ROLL BEYOND ABOUT SIX MESSAGES EITHER WAY. IS IT SOMETHING I'VE DONE, WILL IT RIGHT ITSELF? |
Author: Warwick Parminter
Saturday, 24 February 2001 - 09:52 am | | Tris,
you hold on a second please, I was being polite with you both, even though most of the time I don't know what both of you are talking about! But anyway, I'd like you Rosemary, to know that your post of Thursday, Feb 22nd 03:23pm, was a very pleasant surprise for me to see on the message board. I agree with you completely, that's been my theory all the time, with Joseph Barnett as the perpetrator. Sorry about butting on to your board with my smoking question.J
Rick |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Saturday, 24 February 2001 - 09:19 pm | | Dear Rick,
Thank you. Would you like to come up and see me sometime.
Tea and biscuits, smoking will be permitted in your case. (Arrrh...smoked-Rick.)
Love
(& Fun)
Rosemary |
Author: Triston Marc Bunker
Tuesday, 06 March 2001 - 02:51 pm | | Dear old Space Monkies,
I promised you all here that I would come back with a pro type out look with a freudian aspect on it.
Here goes....... Well you said it all yourselves. That was a complete waste of my time and resources, crickey I feel stoopid.
Right now I hear the theme tune to "The Littlest Hobo". So, god bless each and everyone of you and goodnight.
Tris |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Tuesday, 06 March 2001 - 04:51 pm | | Goodnight Tris,
From the THREE of us (only three, honestly!) |
Author: Warwick Parminter
Tuesday, 06 March 2001 - 06:56 pm | | Rosemary,
you seem to be a provocative little darlin, but what shall I find when I come to tea? My imagined you, or a giant, randy, hairy steelworker,--send me a sign.
Love Rick |
Author: juan cañas sanz
Sunday, 10 June 2001 - 04:45 am | | Hello, everybody.
Firstly, I beg your pardon because my english.
In my opinion, is the psycological analysis the way to understand to JtR, and particularly the freudian one, despite this board is silent months ago.
One way to think about: I believe that the abdominal agression, vaginal, and to stole the wombs are signs of a proyection of agression to his own mother (JtR).
Anyone would to talk in this way?.
Juan. |
Author: Diana
Sunday, 10 June 2001 - 06:35 pm | | Juan, Muchas otras tiene esta idea. El FBI en Estados Unidos escribe un perfil que decir la cosa misma.
Juan, Many others have this same idea. The FBI in the United States wrote a profile which says the same thing. |
Author: juan cañas sanz
Monday, 11 June 2001 - 01:37 pm | | Dear Diana:
En el mismo sentido, creo que se trata de un gran odio hacia su madre, quizá porque le maltrató o impidió que le maltrataran, o quizá porque JtR culpaba a su madre de haberle transmitido algún defecto (estoy pensando en MJDruitt, por ejemplo, y a que sabemos de ella que padecía una enfermedad mental que MJD creía haber heredado). No necesariamente MJD es mi sospechoso favorito.
Me gustaría conocer ese informe del FBI.
Dear Diana:
By the way, I think that it would be that JtR hated to his mother, perhaps because he blamed on her because she did bad threat against him, or didn´t protected him, or perhaps because JtR thought that he will became fool like a hereditary illness (from his mother)(I´m thinking i.e. in MJD, but this is no my pet suspect).
I whish to know that FBI report. Do you know where can I get it?.
Another possibility would be that JtR would did found to his mother in a infidelity (with a lover not being his father, I mean, let´s say in his childhood).
Nice to talk with you.
Juan. :-). |
Author: Mark List
Monday, 11 June 2001 - 03:35 pm | | Juan and Diana,
It is not uncommon for a serial killer to have a hatred or "odd" relationship with his/her parents.
Ed Gein had an twisted relationship with his mother in which he viewed her as a angelic saint-like deity/goddess. She would force the view of "sex and women are the devils work" and and kept him at home as much as possible.
Ed basically committed his ghoulish deeds in order to "deal" with his suppressed sexuality and interest in women and also his "hatred" toward them because of his mother's anti-sexual views.
Another example of parental turmoil was Peter Kurten who grew up in a one room apartment where his father would beat and rape Peter's mother in front of 10+ children.
You can just image how these things affect someone at an early age.
Juan,
There is a FBI profile of the Ripper in comparison with Joseph Barnett on the Casebook Suspect list.
Best regards
Mark |
Author: juan cañas sanz
Friday, 15 June 2001 - 02:25 am | | Diana, Mark, and ?:
Thank you for your words.
I would to remark the exhibitionism of JtR, being in the edge of the blade, near of to be caught by the police, or the people. By the way, JtR thought that he was more clever than everybody. The thing,in my opinion, is that this circumstance did coexist with the feeling of being
handicapped physic or psychologically, thus the life, the world, maybe the family, or all of them, they are guilty and merit the vengeance (or better the punishment?, what do you think?).
Juan. |
Author: Diana
Friday, 15 June 2001 - 05:44 pm | | Alguno asesinos tiene hermanas o hermanos quien esta personas simpaticas. La familia esta mismo pero las hijos o hijas soy diferente. Ejemplo: En las Estados Unidos -- Richard Speck. El asesinato ocho enfermeras. Los hermanos y las hermanas personas respetable. Porque? No se.
Some murderers have brothers and sisters who are nice people. The family is the same but the sons and daughters are different. For example: In the United States -- Richard Speck. He killed eight nurses. The brothers and sisters were respectable people. Why? I don't know. |
Author: juan cañas sanz
Sunday, 17 June 2001 - 05:14 am | | Dear Diana:
Each one have different answers in front of the circumstances. It depends not only on the personality, also depends of the learning, the around and the opportunity (and others items).
That's the reason because each person would react against an attack, fighting, crying, escaping, etcetera.
Two brothers, one of them have his job as a cashier in a bank, and the other one stole the money in armed assault. In fact, these are two ways of working in the same bank. |
Author: Invisigoth
Sunday, 12 August 2001 - 11:41 pm | | its really about how you're raised by yourself. a whole family can be great, but who knows who's going to be the next ted bundy? it's about your environment after you leave the household. a nice kid growing up in the suburbs might encounter something in the future away from his family that affects him in no way anything else can.
the things that affect us in childhood are only the starting point, square one. it builds, and it builds. it's a sequence of events that happen one after another, leading to a point where the right type of person with the right kind of mentality, will snap and become someone like ted bundy or manson. its about the circumstances (like juan said) and its about what happens that builds up to one point, instead of something that just happens.
Joanne |
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