Author: stephen borsbey
Thursday, 02 November 2000 - 04:27 pm |        |
| can anyone tell me any unsavoury facts about the social conditions of these prostitutes and other poor of the east end of london in 1888.was it really sex, drinking and sleeping it off all the time?? |
Author: The Viper
Thursday, 02 November 2000 - 05:11 pm | |
Stephen,
Unfortunately the set of topics we had under 'Social Conditions' disappeared a few months ago when the site was damaged.
You could start with the normal Ripper books here. Some set the scene for the murders with a description of the social conditions of the time in their early chapters. Pride of place goes to Rumbelow's "The Complete JTR". Paley's, "JTR - The Simple Truth" is handy too.
Regarding the general social history of the area, the main Casebook site you may find some of what you're after in the Victorian London section. Many of these articles are drawn from the Tower Hamlets History On Line website:-
www.davidric.dircon.co.uk/main.html
where you'll find more.
For a vivid description of East End living conditions as they were in 1902, read Jack London's "The People of the Abyss." It's now available online at:-
http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/London/Writings/PeopleOfTheAbyss/
One book that is a 'must read' is William Fishman's "East End 1888".
The works of George Sims such as "How the Poor Live" and "Horrible London" can be hard to track down, but there may be copies in your local reference library if it's a good one.
You could even try fiction, such as Arthur Morrison's works. There is plenty of good background information about.
Regards, V. |
Author: Leanne Perry
Thursday, 02 November 2000 - 11:39 pm | |
G'day,
The book: 'The Many Faces of Jack The Ripper' by M.J. Trow has a whole chapter called 'The Abyss....And It's People', containing photographs and the work of George R. Sims, Jack London, Reverend W. Davies, Edwin Pugh etc. It should be right up your alley!
LEANNE! |
Author: Jon
Friday, 03 November 2000 - 12:05 am | |
Viper
Can you recall a specific sentence or name, location that may have been refered to in your 'social conditions' topic?
Do a word search, see if you can find it.
The reason I mention this is that the topic on Winthrop St. that you & I wrote about is also no longer attached. But if you do a word search you will find it. You can also write to it but your poste will not appear here, somehow the link is still broken (or still was a couple of weeks ago).
Maybe this is all that has happened to your 'social condiditons' topic.
I wrote to Spry about it but he had not fixed the link the last time I looked.
If you do a word search on 'Winthrop St.' you will see the pics I was refering to all those months ago when we were talking about it. I finally got them scanned but the list never saw them because the link is apparently broken.
Regards, Jon |
Author: The Viper
Friday, 03 November 2000 - 04:19 am | |
Quite right, Jon. You can use the 'Keyword Search' option to locate the following discussion...
Street Lighting in London 1888
The Streets of London 1888
The London Underground
Mayhew's London
...all underneath the former path:-
General Discussion/Social Conditions in London, 1888
I wonder if Stephen or Johnno can repair the links for us please?
Regards, V. |
Author: stephen borsbey
Friday, 03 November 2000 - 03:13 pm | |
thank you all, leanne i have just read the book you mention,i must read people of the abyss by jack london 1902. after all 14 years will not make a lot of diff.
i have also read east end 1888 by w.j.fishman, i found this excellent...... |
Author: Julian Rosenthal
Sunday, 05 November 2000 - 11:19 pm | |
G'day Stephen, everyone.
There's also an interesting article in one of the first issues of Ripperoo on 'How the Poor Lived' which you might find interesting.
Jules |
