Author: Thomas Ind
Sunday, 27 February 2000 - 11:39 am |        |
I found this Map of London in the 1888 medical school prospectus for the London hospital and thought that I would post it incase anyone wanted to see it. It is not as good as some other maps around and doesn't show any of the murder sites.
I hope it comes out alright as I'm sure I will lose a lot of quality going down to 90K.
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Author: Thomas Ind
Sunday, 27 February 2000 - 11:42 am | |
Sorry
I'll try again another time. I think I used the wrong file format |
Author: Grailfinder
Monday, 04 December 2000 - 11:41 am | |
Thomas;
Convert your Image to a JPG format, and you can go up too 200k before the board will nag you and tell you the file size is to big, so experiment with the compression rations to find a better resolution and more get detail in your Map. |
Author: peter martin
Tuesday, 16 January 2001 - 02:07 pm | |
I can't seem to find Halfmoon street in Bishopsgate! Has it changed names?
Pete |
Author: The Viper
Tuesday, 16 January 2001 - 03:02 pm | |
The name would have been derived from a local tavern, and there were, or had been, many places called Half Moon Something dotted about. The probability is that you are referring to a narrow lane running off the western side of Bishopsgate, located just past the police station and roughly opposite where "Dirty Dick's" still stands. Today that area is part of a raised, covered walkway marking the eastern line of the Broadgate office complex, developed in the 1980s all around Liverpool Street Station. No trace of the alleys or buildings remain in the vicinity.
Regards, V. |
Author: peter martin
Tuesday, 16 January 2001 - 03:05 pm | |
| Thanks for that. Would this be a credible way to get to Finsbury at that time? For example: Sun street. |
Author: peter martin
Tuesday, 16 January 2001 - 03:19 pm | |
| Sorry my mind is racing and I'm not writing what I'm thinking. I am trying to connect -the man followed by Joseph Taylor out from The Prince Albert pub in Brushfields and Stewart st, up into Halfmoon st. with- G Wentworth Bell Smith who resided in Sun st. |
Author: The Viper
Tuesday, 16 January 2001 - 03:35 pm | |
No, Peter. The 1894 map shows the station complex covering the area occupied by Half Moon St. The railway lines were extended down from Shoreditch during the 1870s.
Regards, V. |
Author: stephen stanley
Tuesday, 16 January 2001 - 05:04 pm | |
If I remember correctly,Pindar St. is (was?) the road nearly opposite Brushfield St. which led over the Railway lines....certainly a good route to Finsbury.
Steve S |
Author: peter martin
Tuesday, 16 January 2001 - 07:10 pm | |
As usual many thanks
Well both characters were noted for their unusual walking manner so maybe it's the same fellow. If anyone can add or expand this theory plase go ahead.
Pete |
Author: The Viper
Thursday, 18 January 2001 - 06:56 am | |
Just to tidy up matters, Half Moon Street still existed in 1888. It was a dead-end alleyway with the Liverpool Street Station complex behind. It was demolished c1890 for a further expansion of the station.
Regards, V. |
Author: peter martin
Thursday, 18 January 2001 - 09:50 am | |
Not wanting to question the mighty mind of Viper. But as it's a street wouldn't this mean it has access at either end?
Pete |
Author: The Viper
Thursday, 18 January 2001 - 01:13 pm | |
Peter,
It probably did lead somewhere before the land behind it was acquired for the extension of the railway around 1870. Though this information can be checked if you need it, it would have no bearing on the original issue, which was the possible use of the street as a route out of the area by a suspect.
Regards, V. |
Author: stephen stanley
Thursday, 18 January 2001 - 05:55 pm | |
In the 1970's on the left of Pindar st.(before it crossed the railway)there was an alleyway(unmarked on maps)running alongside the lines which came to an abrupt end...I wonder if it originally ran into Half Moon st?
Steve S. |
Author: peter martin
Tuesday, 23 January 2001 - 07:30 pm | |
Hi, thanks for all the info, I don't want to keep on this point for too long as I'm sure you're right but I happened to get a look at a couple of maps on the net of Whitechapel, one is an 1859 map and the other is an 1889 map. Now on the earlier one we can see Sun street running off Bishopsgate and it's connected to Half moon street by another road which I can't make the name out of it looks like peter... (coincidence) the newer map shows the development of the railway but on Bishopsgate there is still a portion of Sun street left. Could this portion of Sun street be the address of G.Wentworth B Smith? It's only adjacent to Half moon st. Could this side of Bishopsgate have been refered to as Finsbury?
I know that's a lot of coulds so I will now use a maybe. Maybe there was an alley between the houses allowing access to get from Halfmoon st to Sun st.
Maybe!?
Pete |
Author: stephen stanley
Wednesday, 24 January 2001 - 05:32 pm | |
Sorry,Peter, but as Sun St (west of the Tracks)runs into Finsbury Sq. I'd be pretty sure that this is the area indicated..but I still like the idea of the alley maybe(You've got me at it now!!)leading from Half Moon St. and to a route over the Railway.My only Evidence For it's existance was for 'canoodling' in my mispent youth..the Trains were very noisy!!
Steve S. |
Author: peter martin
Wednesday, 24 January 2001 - 09:01 pm | |
Why do you think it's the west part of Sun street? If the witness (a local lad )has always associated Sun st. with Finsbury why would the building of the railway tracks that cuts it in half make him change the habit of a lifetme? I was so surprised to see it still in existance on the east side after the development.These are the maps I was looking at (I'm sure you've seen them before.)
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I don't know! there seems to be such a possibility here, do we know where in Sun street GWBS lodged as that would put the lid on it. Until then I'm still scepticle.
Thanks though it's keeping my feet on the ground.
Pete |
Author: peter martin
Wednesday, 24 January 2001 - 09:26 pm | |
I'll just try that again and if you are wondering, I added a website address with some old maps on it but they failed to materialise when my message was down loaded. http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/snow/1859map/
Pete |
Author: Wolf Vanderlinden
Thursday, 25 January 2001 - 01:36 am | |
G. Wentworth Bell Smith rented rooms at number 27 Sun Street, Finsbury Square.
Wolf. |
Author: peter martin
Thursday, 25 January 2001 - 09:26 am | |
Damn!
Pete
P.S.
Thanks Wolf |
Author: stephen stanley
Thursday, 25 January 2001 - 05:08 pm | |
Yes!!!
Steve
P.S.
Thanks Wolf |
Author: Wolf Vanderlinden
Saturday, 27 January 2001 - 01:49 am | |
No sweat.
Wolf. |
Author: peter martin
Sunday, 28 January 2001 - 10:57 am | |
OK one last attempt and I openly admit I'm clutching at straws here. Refering again to the map of 1889 I mentioned before, if we zoom in on Sun street on the Finsbury end you will notice how the street outline continues under the railway lines. On asking my father ( as he's a lot brighter than me) why this would be, he replied probably that was still a street continuing under railway arches indicating access from the Bishopsgate end. If this was the case then we have a possible escape route don't we?
Pete |
Author: stephen stanley
Sunday, 28 January 2001 - 03:37 pm | |
Sorry,Pete...The lines at this point have always beeb well below street level,i.e. no arches...don't pretend to understand what the map indicates by the continuing street outline...do I hear 'Curses,foiled again'?
Steve S. |
Author: peter martin
Sunday, 28 January 2001 - 08:46 pm | |
Thanks and you do hear words to that effect.
Pete |
Author: David Barnes
Saturday, 06 October 2001 - 06:22 pm | |
I went on a London walk tour last week, and the guide took us to a building that used to be an old Jewish soup kitchen or a dos house.Can anybody tell me what street it is on.It has in / out above the doors
Thank you.
Sorry if this is an easy question only this is my first time on , After that London walk I was hooked.
diggerbarnes1 |
Author: A.M.P.
Monday, 08 October 2001 - 08:46 am | |
David,
Several soup kitchens existed for the Jewish poor over the years. The first one opened in Brick Lane in the 1790s. It was called "La Soupe". But almost certainly the guide took you to the one in Brune Street. It had terracotta panels containing an inscription and the dates 1902 and 5662 above the door. After a spell as a workshop, the building was derelict for a few years before it was converted into 9 flats a few years ago. |
Author: David Barnes
Tuesday, 09 October 2001 - 07:49 pm | |
A.M.P,
YOUR SPOT ON,I REMEMBER THE DATES 1902-5662.AT THE TIME OF THE TOUR IT WAS POURING DOWN AND I HAD MY HOOD UP SO I COULDN'T QUITE HEAR WAS THE GUIDE WAS SAYING,BUT I THOUGHT HE SAID THAT A MAN WITH A HORSE AND CART FOUND A BODY IN THE GATEWAY, IS THIS TRUE ?.I HAVE JUST BOUGHT THE COMPLETE HISTORY OF JTR AND I HAVEN'T COME ACROSS ANYTHING ABOUT IT YET.THANKS FOR YOUR HELP
DAVID |
Author: Monty
Wednesday, 10 October 2001 - 08:14 am | |
David,
The body that was found by a man with a horse and cart was Liz Stride. The street was Berner St but its has since changed its name to Henriques St.
Monty
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Author: diggerbarnes1
Saturday, 13 October 2001 - 06:03 pm | |
Monty,
So its nothing to do with the soup kitchen on Brune Street then ?. I am going back down to London in a couple of weeks I think I will try another tour and take more notice this time, it will probably sink in a bit more now that I have taken an interest in JTR
David |
Author: Monty
Sunday, 14 October 2001 - 09:58 am | |
Digger,
Nah mate. Brune St is near to Bell lane which in turn is pretty close to where Dorset St used to be. That's where Mary Kelly was found. Its now a car park !!
Re Henrique St.I believe that there is an old building built after the 1880's that was a sort of Jewish education centre, it could be that but unfortunately my knowledge is fairly unreliable that far south of Commercial road.
Perhaps someone with more savvy may be able to help.
Monty
PS Enjoy your jolly. I know I do when I go down. May I suggest a pint in the Ten Bells pub (I believe its re-opened now). Its where most of the victims drank and is a must. Quite a few people who are interested in JtR can be found in there.
Its situated on Commercial street (not road) opposite Spitalfields Market.
Monty
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Author: diggerbarnes1
Sunday, 14 October 2001 - 02:09 pm | |
MONTY,
WHEN I WENT ON THAT TOUR THEY TOOK US IN THERE,IT WAS ONLY ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO,BAD NEWS THEY DON'T SELL GUINNESS ONLY MURPHYS . I LOVED IT IN THERE BUT MY WIFE WASN'T IMPRESSED SHE THOUGHT IT WAS A DIVE, IF I WAS ON MY OWN I COULD OF EASILY GOT BLADDERED IN THERE.
HOW DO YOU GET THOSE ICONS ON YOUR MESSAGE.
DIGGER |
Author: Christopher T George
Monday, 15 October 2001 - 09:56 am | |
Digger:
For the icons, look under formatting at the left, which will show you a variety of icons. To get the beermug, type, closed up, not the way I am showing it:
\ clipart {beer}
Cheers
Chris |
Author: Monty
Monday, 15 October 2001 - 11:18 am | |
Digger,
Your wife thought it was a dive ??
I can't carry on any more.....I'm speechless!!!
I myself have not been on any tours. I just wandered around. Its amazing what you see and find. My sense of direction is a gift that I was born with so even though Im unsure exactly where I am, I have a pretty rough idea of where I need to go.
Years of studying the maps in my JtR books I guess.
Take it easy,Monty
PS Chris has explained the icons for you. |
