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Medical Roundtable: Forensics, Pathology &c.
Casebook Message Boards: General Discussion: Medical / Forensic Discussions:
Medical Roundtable: Forensics, Pathology &c.
Author: Christopher-Michael
Wednesday, 19 January 2000 - 09:07 pm |        | The General Discussion under "JTRs Hysterectomies" has brought forth a wealth of medical thought from many people (especially the sterling Dr Mike Villon) and introduced Dr Thomas Ind to the Casebook. As the subject of the Ripper's medical knowledge leads into other areas, I thought perhaps a catch-all area for this discussion might be useful.
"Forensics" and "pathology" are self-explanatory, and "&c." is for other medical issues not directly connected with the two. A discussion of the Lusk Kidney, for example, would come under the medical heading of "nephrology," and is here represented under "&c." I've received some fascinating e-mail on this subject, and will be posting on it soon once a certain contributor returns.
In the meantime, I hope you will make use of this area; who knows, we may soon have to have SPR turn it into a separate topic of its own!
As ever,
Christopher-Michael |
Author: Thomas Ind
Friday, 21 January 2000 - 06:02 pm | | | As it doesn't seem possible to make subsections from this topic as the archive are I have made my own new sections. Only three but a start and to give everyone a basis to start on. Please forgive me if I have ******ed this up. |
Author: Jill De Schrijver
Thursday, 31 August 2000 - 05:18 am | | Hi all,
I have a question for the doctors:
Recently I had a very interesting discussion when chatting. We were talking about Martha and why I thought she was a victim of JtR, and someone else mentioned that she was also strangled. I thought there was no physical evidence for this. But when I mentioned the clenched fists, he answered again:"see, strangled." He informed me that clenched fists were a sure sign of strangulation.
I must say that I do not really doubt this info, because the person who mentioned this to me, was a professional regarding forensics. But I wish altogether for a confirmation on that point.
From the information I have, I thought Stride was the only canonical victim with clenched hands, but all the others not. He mentioned that Chapman, Stride & MJK had them too. Can anyone point me to this data of clenched fists with canonical victims besides Stride? Can anyone else confirm this as a sign of strangulation? Or in general, what different signs of strangulation are there?
Greetings,
Jill |
Author: Jill De Schrijver
Thursday, 31 August 2000 - 08:44 am | | This is the data I have found in relation to either clenching of the hands or strangulation:
Tabram when examined by PC Barrett:
hands at her sides -- tightly clenched
Nichols: can a 'slight laceration of the tongue' be a result of biting the tongue while being strangled. Only mention of hands is that the left was resting near the gate.
Chapman:
Fingers of left hand partly closed: leans this toward clenched or relaxed? But when mentioned closed I am inclined to see this as leaning towards clenched.
Swollen tongue protruding the tooth, but not the lip -> 'partially strangled'
Stride:
left arm extended from elbow, which held a packet of cachous in her hand. Diemschutz believed he saw the deceased CLUTCHING cachous in one hand...
Eddowes:
Both palms up with fingers slightly bent: relaxed or clenched?
Mary Jane Kelly:
The left arm was partly removed from the body and lay on the bed, it was bent at the elbow and the fingers were CLENCHED |
Author: Thomas Ind
Monday, 04 September 2000 - 02:33 pm | | Jill
Can't help I'm afraid.
I will look in the library when I get the chance.
Interesting point though. |
Author: Julian Rosenthal
Tuesday, 05 September 2000 - 12:20 am | | G'day Jill,
Great to see you again.
I'll have a look at the autopsy reports from Albert De Saliva's victims tonight and see what position their hands were in.
Jules |
Author: Rosemary O'Ryan
Saturday, 26 May 2001 - 06:11 pm | | Dear "Jack the Ripper",
Welcome to the lab "Jack", relax the facial muscles and just climb aboard the dissection-table
you will feel little pain.
Now, why do you want to be like the Ripper, Jack?
Why do you fear dogs? And what do you really want to tell Rosey and her chums? Easy now! Start at the beginning, eh...?
Rosey, (Knives 'R Us). |
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