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Sarah Long
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Monday, November 17, 2003 - 6:38 am: |       |
Please forgive me if someone has mentioned this before (I had a look and couldn't find it).
There is an old song called "On Mother Kelly's Doorstep down Paradise Row". On the following link Des McKenna suggests that it could have been "On Mary Kelly's Doorstep Down Providence Row". The words remarkably seem to be suggesting Mary Kelly as if we change the title and it's presence in the song we have:-
On Mary Kelly's doorstep, down Providence Row,
I'd sit along o'Mary, she'd sit along o'Joe.
She's got a little hole in her frock,
Hole in her shoe, hole in her sock,
Where her toe peeped through,
But Mary was the smartest down our alley.
On Mary Kelly's doorstep, I'm wondering now
If li'l gal Mary remembers Joe, her beau,
And does she love me like she used to,
On Mary Kelly's doorstep, down Providence Row
You can find more details here:-
http://www.fulwood.com/fulwood/history/jack_the_ripper_theory.htm |
Christopher T George
Inspector
Username: Chrisg
Post Number: 427
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 17, 2003 - 2:41 pm: | |
Hi, Sarah:
Thanks for bringing this article by Des McKenna to our attention. I would like to point out that many of Des's ideas while interesting are rather fanciful and are often not fact based, as much as I like Des and have enjoyed talking to him at the Ripper conventions and reading his articles. In the article that you cite, Des makes a great leap of logic that is surely as large as any made by Paul Feldman or other writers on the case:
After pointing out the "theatricality" of the Ripper leaving his victims displayed on the open street and the possibility that Walter Sickert, the artist and part-time actor, was Jack, Des states, "Four years after the death of Annie Chapman, in the same street, Hanbury Street, was born one of England's most famous entertainers, Bud Flanagan, and in our own time, in Flower and Dean Street, was born Barbara Windsor. So it is not unreasonable to think that Jack might have been a theatrical too."
What? Just because a couple of British entertainment personalities were born in the neighborhood, this makes it reasonable to presume that the Ripper was an entertainer too?!!!!
In regard to Des's supposition that the old song "On Mother Kelly's Doorstep down Paradise Row" might bear some relationship to Mary Kelly, we might note that Kelly, Joe, Paradise or Providence Row, Street, or Alley, are all commonish names of the era, so there does not seem to be any necessary relationship here as much as Des wishes to make us see one.
All the best
Chris |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 1271
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 18, 2003 - 2:17 am: | |
Hi Sarah
I remember this coming up when Chris posted a picture of Danny La Rue on the Boards, and Richard and I started going through the song for a laugh. Little did we know that Des had got there before us!
Bud Flanagan, eh? "Underneath the arches, Coles dreams her dreams away...."
Robert |
Suzi Hanney
Sergeant
Username: Suzi
Post Number: 33
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 6:53 pm: | |
Hi all,
Of course who can forget the wonderful song about the costermongers pony(Not Mr D's I hope!) The chorus of which starts..
"Down the road away went Polly,
With her step (bonnet!) so jolly
That I knew she'd win..."
And so on..........
Still think that the line
"everybody looked so sad
And I felt quite forlorn,
Whoa mare,whoa mare
You've earn't your little bit of corn"
is a bit poignant
Altogether now!!!!!!!!!!!!11 1-2-3 ..
Cheers
Suzi
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Chris Scott
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Chris
Post Number: 1073
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 19, 2004 - 9:01 am: | |
Just to revive this thread I found a copy of the cover for the sheet music of "On Mother Kelly's Doorstep"
The layout of the buildings looks more than a little like the entrance to Miller's Court and Kelly's door - another hidden message???
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Sarah Long
Chief Inspector
Username: Sarah
Post Number: 934
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 19, 2004 - 9:43 am: | |
Chris,
That's actually kinda spooky now!! That looks exactly like Mary Kelly's actual doorstep. It's probably a coincidence but it's a very strange coincidence.
Thanks for finding that.
Sarah |
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