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Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert

Post Number: 4101
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Monday, February 14, 2005 - 6:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

AP's found this story in the "Times" for April 13th 1863. It has some amazing resemblances to the Kelly case.







Robert
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AP Wolf
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Apwolf

Post Number: 1740
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - 1:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks for that, Robert.
Yes, the sad case does have many familiar points to the MJK scenario, one really needs to read the report several times to take it all in.
But I was also struck by the killers method of quick dispatch, the windpipe severed down to the bone in one single sweep of the instrument used, and then a bit of idle poking and stabbing about with the instrument for no good purpose or reason apart from his own idle pleasure. He had killed the woman, so why the other injuries?
This does lead one to contemplate the fate of MJK, and the hand behind that fate.
So many try to lead us down the path of believing that such savage mutilation after death must mean that the victim was personally known to the killer, but this case clearly demonstrates otherwise, for this was a 'stranger' crime.
Personally I blame Colin Wilson and the FBI for all this nonsense about the mutilation - especially facial mutilation - of a victim meaning that the killer must have had personal and intimate relationship with that victim.
They were farting out all this nonsense in the 60's and 70's and we don't seem to have realised yet that they were firing rubber bands at the sun.
Such idle mutilation serves no purpose to a person who is obsessed with an emotional debt, for the killing of victim pays the debt in full, and as we have clearly seen in other cases posted here, the killer then leaves the victim without further tinkering and poking.
Such tinkering and poking of a dead victim can only suit the weird design of a killer who sees his work as art and his crime as a painting, or poem.
For my money this earlier case does cast a very long shadow over the folk who crow that MJK must have been killed by someone she knew.
The two cases do imply 'stranger' crimes.
That is why they are so similar.
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Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
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Yes, AP, I don't see why the facial mutilation should imply a deep prior relationship, either.
On this theory, the killer would have had to be involved with both Eddowes and Kelly - which is unlikely, seeing as TTC was dead or abroad at the time.

Robert
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Paul Williams
Sergeant
Username: Wehrwulf

Post Number: 40
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2005 - 3:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Interesting from this report that some of the witnesses weren't called. Does anyone know if there was an arrest leading to a conviction in the case or have any details of the similar case in Haymarket two or three years earlier?

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