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Lindsey Millar
Inspector
Username: Lindsey
Post Number: 241
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 7:43 pm: | 
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Nats,
Tell me more about Neville Heath.. this is interesting.
Love,
Lyn
"When a man grows tired of London, he grows tired of life" (or summat like that)
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Natalie Severn
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Severn
Post Number: 1514
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 3:36 am: |
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Hi Lyn,
I can"t tell you much more than that he was a womaniser,well educated,took great risks when flying in the 2nd world war but got carried away by sexual cruelty which led him to murder a young woman he dated and later a young girl who he had met only briefly.I vaguely remember reading that evidence was given by people who knew him in the Middle East to the effect that he had murdered there too but I dont think it was proven---just scandalous rumour.Torture was his bag -nauseating stuff as I recall -so I"d say dont bother going there.
Natsxxx |
George Hutchinson
Inspector
Username: Philip
Post Number: 249
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 8:44 am: |
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Lyn : Try these links :
http://www.stephen-stratford.co.uk/neville_heath.htm
http://www.murderuk.com/serialkillers/heath.htm
He was a guy who took sadism too far and didn't, I believe, actually set out to murder and mutilate initially. If you want a REAL nasty Ripper-a-like, try looking on Google for Gordon Cummins who brutally assaulted, murdered and mutilated (one with a tin opener) several women in London during WW2. In my eyes, he is the closest the UK has come to a second Ripper.
Here's a shot of Heath.
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PHILIP
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Tour guides do it loudly in front of a crowd!
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Lindsey Millar
Inspector
Username: Lindsey
Post Number: 252
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 12:42 pm: |
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Thanks guys!
Philip, I tend to agree with you that Gordon Cummins comes about as close to the Ripper as possible. Both men appear to have been sadists.
Anyway, thanks again for the further info.
Bestest,
Lyn
"When a man grows tired of London, he grows tired of life" (or summat like that)
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George Hutchinson
Inspector
Username: Philip
Post Number: 255
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 12:50 pm: |
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Oh and Lyn - I now outrank you! Hee hee hee.
PHILIP
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Tour guides do it loudly in front of a crowd!
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Lindsey Millar
Inspector
Username: Lindsey
Post Number: 255
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 1:03 pm: |
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Oh and Lyn - I now outrank you! Hee hee hee.
Not for long, good buddy! Watch and wait, tee hee!
Lyn
"When a man grows tired of London, he grows tired of life" (or summat like that)
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Jeffrey Bloomfied
Chief Inspector
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 566
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 9:05 pm: |
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Hi Lyn,
There is an interesting piece of criticism that was directed against the police in the Heath Case, showing that in 1946 they could blunder as badly as in 1888. After Heath's first murder (which was so horrific one constable actually threw up at the murder scene), the authorities did not see fit to issue any public announcements or warnings concerning their suspicion about Neville Heath. As a result when the second murder occurred, the public was very angry at this error.
Heath was a sadist (putting him probably into the Ripper/Gordon Cumming/Cream group of killers), but in the first killing his victim had the reputation of being a masochist. It has been suggested that Heath lost control of himself while torturing his first victim, who was tied up and gagged. The second victim, unfortunately, seems to have been a nice young lady who attracted his attention...and he would not take no for an answer from her. One witness would later explain that the second victim was extremely upset and nervous about his attentions after awhile.
For an excellent account of Heath's trial in 1946, I refer you to the chapter on him in Edgar Lustgarten's THE BUSINESS OF MURDER (which also covers Landru, Irma Grese - of the German death camps, John Haigh, John Christie, and Peter Manuel). Lustgarten always gives a first rate condensing of the trials to show what was unique about it. Here it was the apparently perfect "insanity" defense, and how the defense witness managed to louse it up.
Heath did have a public school background. One of his military alias was "Group Captain Rupert Brooke", suggesting some knowledge of poetry.
Jeff Bloomfield |
Natalie Severn
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Severn
Post Number: 1524
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 9:49 am: |
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Hi Jeffrey,thanks for reminding me of the book-I too found it was pretty shocking stuff.But he was as you say middle class in terms of upbringing and education.
Natalie |
Caroline Anne Morris
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Caz
Post Number: 1449
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 12:43 pm: |
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Hi All,
It might be an interesting exercise to see just how many violent offenders are known to have picked a famous name for an alias. I seem to recall that Jill Dando's killer used a couple.
Love,
Caz
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George Hutchinson
Inspector
Username: Philip
Post Number: 262
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 1:37 pm: |
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Hi Caz. Barry George had a fixation with Freddie Mercury and used his original name. Then we have that nutter (though not, as yet, killer) Charles Bronson. Mark Chapman signed his final wageslip as John Lennon...
...and who can forget that the Whitechapel murderer of 1888 stole the celebrity alias of Jack The Ripper? 
PHILIP
Tour guides do it loudly in front of a crowd!
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Jeffrey Bloomfied
Chief Inspector
Username: Mayerling
Post Number: 567
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 7:46 pm: |
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Hi everyone,
A con-man named Harold Dorian Trevor, back in the 1920s-1940s, used several alias like "Commodore Crichton" and (get ready for this) "Sir Charles Warren". Trevor eventually killed a woman whom he had swindled, and was hanged for it in 1941.
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