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Chris Scott
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Found this account of the Mckenzie murder which inclused an interesting first hand account from Jacobs (called here Isaac Lewis) of the condition of the body:

Decatur Daily Dispatch
19 July 1889

JACK THE RIPPER
THE POLICE HAVE NO CLEW TO THE WHITECHAPEL FIEND

London, July 18.
After holding the inquest on the body of the latest victim of the the Whitechapel fiend the police appear to be as hopelessly in the dark as ever and to have as little prospect of catching the criminal as when the first of the murdered women was found bleeding in the street. This time the woman's body was scarcely cold before discovered. The warm blood was flowing from the gashes in her body. A policeman was stalking about within fifty yards of the spot. Lights were moving in the windows of the adjacent tenement houses, but the murderer did his work so swidtly and silently that no one heard the victim's cry. He was allowed to escape and will remain unmolested till he gets ready to commit another butchery. This far Chief Commissioner Munroe's tactics have been practically the same as those of Sir Charles Warren. He has filled the Whitechapel district with police, who, acting under special orders, kept the newspapers in the dark as much as possible. As in the case of the previous murders, suspected men were dragged into police stations all day long yesterday simply because they wore rags or had no home, and were immediately let go again. Some of them were so ignorant that they did not know that there had been a murder. One effect of this policy is to fan into a fierce flame the public excitement.
If false news of arrest, of wild rumors and of sensational rumors there are no end; of useful facts which may lead to a clew to catch the murderer there are but very few. In the matter of details this murder differs but little from the others. It is true that there are no such revolting mutilations, but everything goes to show that this is simply because the assassin had been interrupted in his work, being frightened by a drunken peddler, who had stopped to wrangle with the policeman on the beat. The press correspondent saw the body of the victim yesterday in the morgue. The throat was cut in the same manner as in the case of the Berner street woman, by plunging a knife just under the left ear and cutting towards the right ear sufficiently to completely severthe windpipe. The woman probably never had time to utter a cry. The only other wound on the body was was a dep cut in the stomach, extending from the waist to the pit of the abdomen. The intestines were not disturbed. Not till last night were the police able to find out who the woman was. Her name was Alice MacKenzie and, as in the case of Jack the Ripper's other victims, she was one of those unfortunate creatures who find their living on the streets. A newspaper correspondent talked to two women, who saw her at 11:30 Tuesday night. She was sober then. At 2:30 when all the public houses were closed by law, the barkeeper of the "pub" situated a quarter of a mile from the scene of the murder, says that he turned her out into the street and that she had been drinking some but was not actually drunk. Making her way home, the woman turned into Commercial street, the exact region where most of the other murders had been committed. Here all trace of her was lost till the body was found in Castle alley at 12:50 in the morning. Four policemen patrol the vicinity of Cast alley. It is considered one of the worst places in London. The officer whose special duty it is to watch the alley swears that he passed the spot ten minutes before he found the body and that there was nothing there then. There are four entrances to Castle alley. It is about twenty feet wide and 100 feet long. At night costermongers living near are allowed to store their wagons and hand carts there. Two tenement houses, a large warehouse with a watchman in it, and a public bath house surround it. It is almost impossible that any struggle should have occurred without somebody hearing it. Only few yards away is a street as broad as the Bowery and thronged with people going home, the pubs and concert halls, and just as busy a thoroughfare in fact as the Bowery is at midnight. An ex member of the Metropolitan police, who was standing talking with a friend at the corner of Castle alley, not more than forty yards distant, about the time of the murder, neither saw nor heard anything. Mrs. Smith, who keeps the public bath house, says she did not go to bed till after 1. She was moving about the kitchen with the windows facing the alley wide open, and heard no noise till the officer gave the alarm. She does not think that the body was quite dead when it was found. Isaac Lewis, who claims to be the first civilian who saw the body after the murder, watched it while the police went for assistance. He says that the blood was still spurting from the throat when the woman was found, indicating that the heart had not ceased to beat. The clothes were all crushed upon the chest of the body and the legs were nude. There were blood marks on the face and on the left thigh, as if a hand covered with blood had been placed there to hold the woman down. Lewis adds that a watchman had been employed at the Castle alley will two weeks ago to look after the wheelbarrows. When the barrows were removed the man was discharged. he thinks the murderer knew all this. Some fifty constables, selected from other districts of the metropolis last spring for special duty in Whitechapel, were removed this week. Three weeks ago the police received several letters saying that Jack the Ripper was going to begin operations again. No attention was paid to them. They were signed Jack the Ripper, and indicted in the same disguised writing as the letters received last spring. The Pall Mall Gazette says that a fortnight ago a man called at its office and said he knew the East End well, and he was sure the butcheries there would soon begin again. At the inquest held on the bidy of the woman found murdered in the Whitechapel district yesterday morning the fact was developed that in addition to the two large gashes there were fourteen other wounds on the body. The greater number of the wounds, however, were only skin deep.


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Chris Scott
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The person of Isaac (Lewis) Jacobs has interested me for some time. I was typing out a detailed inquest report on Alice Mckenzie when something caught my eye.
McKenzie's body was found by PC Andrews and he reported Jacobs' arrival on the scene soon after finding the body. Jacobs was off to get some supper and Andrews is quoted as saying:
"After I saw the body lying on the pavement I heard a footstep coming from Old castle place, and I saw a young man named Isaac Lewis Jacobs. I said, "Where are you going?" He said, "I am going to Wentworth street to fetch something for my supper."
But in Jacobs' own testimony later in the same article his own version of his destination is very different. Guess where he was heading?

"Isaac Lewis Jacobs said - I live at 12 Newcastle place, and am a bootmaker. About ten minutes to 1 this morning I left home to buy some supper in M'Carthy's, in Dorset street."

I was not aware that McCarthy ran any sort of late night eatery - I thought his shop was just a chandler's. Food for thought - if you'll pardon the pun!
Chris

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Chris Scott
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Just for info, Andrews describes Jacobs as a "young man". In fact he would have been 20 at the time of the Mckenzie murder. He was a Russian born Jew listed in 1891 as a boot finisher, aged 23 and living at 28 Queen Street, Spitalfields. He was by that time already married, his wife in 1891 listed as Leah Jacobs aged 20, also born in Russia. He and his wife had two Russian born boarders at the time of the census, Jacob Lieve aged 25, a laster, and Lewis Ishkovitch, aged 21, a boot knifer.
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Richard Brian Nunweek
Chief Inspector
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Hi Chris,
Now you have got my imagination running wild.
This late night supper place would not include fish and chips by any chance.
If fish and potatoes were sold there, then MCcarthy or whoever was present in the shop working on the evening of 8th/9th november, would have known what time they sold kelly some food[ if she infact purchased it herself] and the time of death could have been quite accurately assertained, if not then , certainly now.
I wonder if the chandlers shop at number 26, is the relevant shop, as did not MCcarthy own another shop near or on Dorset street.?
Regards Richard.
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Robert Charles Linford
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Hi Chis

I wonder if McCarthy sold cooked fish, maybe at one time pinched from Billingsgate? Kelly had had a meal of fish and potatoes. I saw this fetch a meal business in one of the books, and I think it said that he was carrying his own plate.

Robert
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Richard Brian Nunweek
Chief Inspector
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Posted on Monday, July 05, 2004 - 4:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Robert,
Great minds think alike, both of our posts were 4.O3 am, but mine reached the grid first.
Chris has hit upon another gem here, one can almost see kelly walking down the passage carrying her tin plate, no wonder Mccarthy sent his rent collecters to call on her the following morning.'If she can afford a late night supper, then she can darn well pay some of her rent off'
If this scenerio did occur, I wonder what time this would have been, i would have thought that the business was open for about a hour after the closing of the pubs , therefore he could have remained open to 130am.
Richard.
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Chris Scott
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Posted on Monday, July 05, 2004 - 6:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Robert
Yes you are right - this report also mentions Jacobs carrying his plate. The full section of Andrews' testimony reads:

Had you seen any one? - I had not. There was not a soul in the alley that I saw. After I saw the body lying on the pavement I heard a footstep coming from Old castle place, and I saw a young man named Isaac Lewis Jacobs. I said, "Where are you going?" He said, "I am going to Wentworth street to fetch something for my supper." At the time he was carrying a plate in his hand. Jacobs came back with me and stayed there until the sergeant arrived.

Jacobs' full testimony as reported reads:
Isaac Lewis Jacobs said - I live at 12 Newcastle place, and am a bootmaker. About ten minutes to 1 this morning I left home to buy some supper in M'Carthy's, in Dorset street. I had occasion to pass Newcastle place into Old Castle street. When I got to Cocoanut place a constable ran up to me; I stopped. He said, "Where have you been?" I replied, "I have been nowhere, I am just going on an errand and have just left my home." The constable then said, "Come with me; there has been amurder committed." I went with him and when we got to Old Castle street he blew his whistle. I believe a sergeant then came up. We then hurried down to the lamp post in Castle alley. I saw a woman lying there in a pool of blood, with a wound in the throat, and another wound in the side. I waited there until another police constable came, and afterwards saw the body removed. Then I went home.

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Robert Charles Linford
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Posted on Monday, July 05, 2004 - 9:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Chris and Richard

Sugden in his chapter on Tabram mentions Elizabeth Mahoney buying some food from a chandler's shop in Thrawl St at about 1.45 AM, so it seems that these chandler's shops used to double up as grocers.

Robert

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