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Donald Souden
Inspector
Username: Supe
Post Number: 297
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 3:37 pm: | 
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Anyone have any information on "Dr. J.R. Gabe, of Mecklenburgh Square" whom early press reports had visiting the murder site at 13 Miller's Court?
Don. |
Nina Thomas
Detective Sergeant
Username: Nina
Post Number: 128
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 5:04 pm: |
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Hi Don,
I believe that the following may be Dr. Gabe as this was not a common name. I also found the reference to Margaret Davies odd.
1881 Census
John B. Gabe
Head, Aged 27
Born: Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan,Wales
Occupation: General Practioner, LSA Etc
Annie Gabe
Wife, Aged 22
Born: Aberavon, Glamorgan, Wales
Margaret Rosser
Widowed, Mother In Law, Aged 59
Born: Cowbridge, Glamorgan, Wales
Retired Publican
Jenny Rosser
Unmarried Daughter, Aged 19
Born: Aberavon, Glam organ ,Wales
John S. Rosser
Unmarried Son , Aged 15
Born: Aberavan, Glamorgan, Wales
Occupation: Scholar
Margaret Davies
Unmarried Servant, Aged 17
Born: Llansamlet, Glamorgan, Wales
Occupation: General Servant
Dwelling: Llangefelach Road
Census Place: Clase, Glamorgan,Wales
Family History Library Film: 1342290
Public Records Office Reference: RG11
Piece/Folio: 5353 / 26
Page Number: 9
Nina |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 3403
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 6:01 pm: |
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Hi Don, Nina
It looks like he'd remarried by 1891 :
16 Mecklenburgh Square
John R Gabe 39 Duly registered medical man (illeg) practitioner - with "surg" written above
born Merthyr Tydfil
Marion LS Gabe wife 35 born St Helens Lancashire
Caroline M daughter single 10 born Spitalfields
Winnifred A daughter 7 born Spitalfields
Ivor S son 5 born St Pancras
Rachel M Gabe visitor 23 single born Merthyr Tydfil
Frederick G Foniham visitor 37 married woollen agent born St Helens Lancashire
Ellen F Cobb domestic servant 28 single born Plymouth Devonshire
Robert
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Donald Souden
Inspector
Username: Supe
Post Number: 298
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 7:30 pm: |
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Robert & Nina,
Thanks muchly. Supposedly, he was one of the first medical men to look at the body in 13 Miller's Court and then disappears so thoroughly as to not even rate a line in the A to Z. But, it would certainly seem he did exist and the name not a corruption of something else. Again, a tip of my cap to you both.
Don. |
Christopher T George
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Chrisg
Post Number: 1062
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 10:27 pm: |
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Hi Donald, Robert, and Nina
A bit more about Dr. Gabe. In 1889-1892 he is listed as a doctor and medical officer for the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children, which had evolved that in 1889 into a national organization from the London Society for the Prevention of Cruelty founded in 1884 by the Reverend Benjamin Waugh.
See
http://www.lightage.demon.co.uk/BSI_GaGas.pdf --unfortunately it is not clear where their data was obtained, but if it leads us onward. . . maybe the NSPCC have information on him, see PDF files below. The listings for 1892, 1889, and 1888 are
Gabe JR, Doctor, NSPCC, Harpur Street, London, 1892
Gabe JR, Medical officer, NSPCC, Harpur Street, London, 1889
Gabe RJ [sic], Doctor, Mecklenburg Sq, 1888
The Harpur Street address was the NSPCC address rather than Dr. Gabe's home address ("October 1884 First HQ and shelter opened at 7 Harpur Street, Bloomsbury ..." History of the NSPCC booklet.
The characterization that Dr. Gabe was a "Medical officer" fits with the way he is described in The New York Herald of 10 November 1888:
"Dr. Gabe, of Mecklenburg square, a medical official,..." [emphasis mine]
See also The History of the NSPCC where it is stated that "In 1889 the organisation employed 29 Inspectors, who 'patrolled' the streets of London on foot or by bicycle looking for vulnerable children." Was Dr. Gabe such an inspector, or was he separate to the inspectors? I sense probably the latter but I don't know.
All my best
Chris
(Message edited by ChrisG on November 08, 2004)
Christopher T. George
North American Editor
Ripperologist
http://www.ripperologist.info
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Nina Thomas
Detective Sergeant
Username: Nina
Post Number: 135
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 08, 2004 - 11:59 pm: |
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Robert,
It looks like he remarried right after the 1881 census, that is if Caroline was his daughter.
Chris,
It seems Doctor Gabe made quite a name for himself. Thanks for the links you provided.
Nina |
Robert Charles Linford
Assistant Commissioner
Username: Robert
Post Number: 3406
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 09, 2004 - 6:33 am: |
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Yes, thanks for that, Chris.
Robert |
John Carey
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 10:19 am: |
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Robert, Chris and other readers of these postings may like an update. Dr John Rees Gabe was the police surgeon, not to be confused with his cousin Dr John Bernard Gabe of Merthyr Tydfil. John Rees Gabe married again after the death of his first wife, to Grace Winifred Ison in Ashby-de-la Zouch in the quarter to March 1900 (marriage register volume 7a page 113).
Dr John Rees Gabe and his new wife returned to Meckleburgh Square where they had one son who sadly died young. The couple were evidently out of the country at the time of the 1901 census. Grace Winifred died in 1905. John Rees Gabe lived until about 1920. One of his descendants who now lives in Wigan has made detailed searches of the Gabe family history.
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